I have searched high and low for the perfect broadhead for whitetail deer. In my quest I have tried and killed deer with just about all of them. Abowyer simmons centaur zwickey magnus VPA, Big Jim, to name a few. These are all great heads and all have there place. But what I am looking for is a NON VENTED head that would be 1.75"-2" in width 200-250gr without insert or 300 with, similar to the Abowyer wapiti or vpa penetrator in shape maybe a little less than the Ashby 3to1 ratio. The ratio is great and i understand all the testing that went into it. But I am after a head that is big, tough, leaves huge entrance and exit wounds, and may make up for a shot a little of the mark every now and then. So maybe if we can get interest up someone will step up to the plate.
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RAGE! its like throwing a axe through a animal! lol j/k
man those are alot of grat BH's you mentioned! u mean u cant pick one out of all those??
The ACE Super Express 200 grains are 1 7/16.
I agree and also have wondered the same thing. I also have a hard time making a perfect shot on a deer every single time and the piece of mind of knowing that my 2 inch hatchet is in the torso and giving him or her the appropriate hours to expire will usually yield a harvest. Obviously every broadhead will kill an animal if put in the right place but some of us dont make the perfect shot everytime especially during the heat of the moment. Just my 2 cents. I am interested in what everyone says
I like the ones like simmons tree shark, centaur and abowyer whitetails but the hiss like a bottle rocket even with beveled back edges of the vents. The deer may not hear it i know but still dont like it. Looking for the perfect head. And Hopefully one of the broadhead makers that comes to the site may make a little extra money.
X3 Thats one reason I like a big 4- blade. I have been eyeing simmions 4-blade Interceptors for some time now. 1 9/16 x 1 1/8 its gotta leave a mark. :cool:
Maybe even a big 4-blade 1 1/2 magnus would be good.
I have shot the 4 blade inch and a half magnus the bleeders are flimsy and do not stay in place very well you cannot bend the tip of it like on a simmons interceptor to get it to stay in place.
How are the bleeders on the Interceptors?
A broadhead that has to open up, or perform some sort of feat other than cut will sometimes (maybe often). . NOT open up.
I was informed that that happened to one man in Texas this spring, hunting for piggies, where a very popular mechanical head failed five straight times to open up and he lost all five piggies.
If you miss and it goes into bone, a large head is not gonna help. If you miss and it goes into guts (no bone at all), it sure shouldn't need to be big and bad and sturdy and 3:1 ratio and all of the above.
Maybe we need to practice and determine our best ranges a bit more before season.
Just saying
ChuckC
I agree chuck. One reason I like a big head it helps in the tracking.For example last year I shot a big doe at 6 yards. I got a complete pass thru with a 4- blade zwicky delta.I hit her on the top of the heart and got both lungs. Snow had her and the trail covered over within 30 mins. I feel that I might have not found her with out the big holes.
i agree i also would rather stabbed with a pocket knife than a bowie knife, in the guts or the leg, doesnt matter, the bigger the more it hurts in my opinion.
The bleeders on an interceptor come to a point so you can bend the tip and it will stay in place they are sturdy but still need frequent replacement after shooting into game great head but not legal in all states because of being barbed.
I want big short blood trails. Do a little test take 2 1 gallon bottles of water stab one with a 1" wide blade and one with a 2" which one will empty faster. Out of 14 deer last year with trad equipment lost one from a deflect into the guts left him for 8 hours tracked drops for 600 yards and then another 400 with dog would a larger head make a difference maybe maybe not. If you have never lost an animal congrats but its hunting and you will. I shoot my bow everyday all year long my shooting and range are not in ? so lets stick to the topic at hand which was a bigger broadhead.
Just saying
Will
Talk with VPA and have them make you one.
We will be much better off if there is a shown interest; a demand for them. But that is in the plan to whoever is interested in making them.
Might be a while until the long & lean fad dies down a bit...
You are probably right but then again a deer/turkey aren't exactly water buffalos.
nope, they sure aren't.
Really, the big Jim 3 will do more cutting than a 2" 2 blade.
A 2" two blade makes about a 2" cut..
A 1.5" cut 3 blade has 3- .75"blades ( 1.5/2 )
So..3 X .75" = 2.25" of cutting.
Personally, after drawing out a 2"Wx2.5"L head..I wouldn't want that stuck on the front of my arrow.
..just too much chance of wind planning..
This is what made the modern mechanical heads appear.
I get what you're after..I really do.
But why anyone would need more than the Big Jim I don't know..lol
But hey man..Good luck to you and your experiments.
Two blade should penetrate better with lower poundage bows than the big Jim's with less force needed for 2 blades than 3.
If you ever decide to look into vented heads, give the Zephyr Sasquatch a try. Im pretty sure they are 1 5/8ths. They sharpen easily and absolutely drain deer. I tried them this year for the 1st time and was very impressed on how they performed on a whitetail here in NY. They will be on my woodies this fall. If you come up with a 1 3/4ths head Ill be ordering some myself. I like 2 bladers and the holes they leave.
I know a Snuffer is a vented head but... have you ever seen the bloodtrail from one of the big (160 grains)ones on a deer? :eek:
165 grain Simmons Intercepter with a 125 grain steel adapter works for me.
Big Jim Big-3 is an awesome head, I also like the 1 1/4" VPA 250, Centaur Big Game and Battle Axe, also the Silver Flame 180 gr XL and XXL (or the original DS model...).
If VPA would make a big wide Penetrator I'd look real close at it... and probably have to try it... ;)
If they made the "werewolve" broadhead with a 1 1/2" or wider deadhead shaped blade it would fill your request perfectly. As they are its just to narrow for my taste so I will stick with 160 snuffers but I too am always looking.........
QuoteOriginally posted by Izzy:
If you ever decide to look into vented heads, give the Zephyr Sasquatch a try. Im pretty sure they are 1 5/8ths. They sharpen easily and absolutely drain deer. I tried them this year for the 1st time and was very impressed on how they performed on a whitetail here in NY. They will be on my woodies this fall. If you come up with a 1 3/4ths head Ill be ordering some myself. I like 2 bladers and the holes they leave.
I have some Sasquatches, they are 1 9/16 ,Widowdoublelung
if you want to try one, let me know ;)
They do work wonders on squirrels though... :goldtooth:
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I use Zwickey Delta 4s pretty much exclusively on deer....big chop, and the bleeders let em bleed....and no problem blowing through them. Been doing that for over two decades.
Regardless of what gets type as of late, our bows are not inefficient without some 'magic recipe'...and deer haven't become armor plated. Blown through some big hogs as well with 4 blades.
I'm not sure exactly what you are looking for, but there are LOTS of options today....with aluminum, titanium, and steel adapters...along with brass inserts, you can make the front end about any weight you want....and LOTS of big chop heads to choose from.
I want to use a Land Shark this fall....just for kicks....yeah...a 4 blade one. :D
And maybe even Big Jims on a black bear :readit:
Tons of great heads. When I went after bison, I did a lot of research and trial myself. I went very heavy, my arrows were just at 1000 grains and shot a 76# Silvertip. I chose the big STOS head, I don't remember why, the heads were all very comparible. But they didnt require me to remortgage the house like the famous single bevels.
I killed two bison, my first was mine,low and quartering away... it ran about 40 yards and collapsed, then my buddies a couple years later. He had a broadside passthrough that looked beautiful, 2 hours later the buff was very angry and no sign of dropping at all. So we double teamed it and I ended up sneaking the same STOS low and quartering away and that did it.
I've taken two bison and three whitetail;s with that head. I'm shooting a lot lighter now so I downsized back to Magnus and Zwickey.
If you look to the left of the bison below, you'll see my full length arrow nock sticking out of his side. The head lodged into the bone inside, I unscrewed the arrow to remove it, and got the head when we cleaned out the animal with lineman pliars. The head was perfect, sharpened and put back in the quiver and used again as stated above. I'm sure a lot of heads today would produce similar results.
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I can't imagine a head being much better than the tree shark for deer. IMO if you were to have a non vented 2" straight blade head you would have a head that wanted to wind plane badly.
The concave edge reduces so much surface area allowing for a big head with awesome flight characteristics.
I wonder how a non vented tree shark would fly? Still a lot more surface area.
I've been a fan of big 2 blade heads for over 50 years. I've killed animals with Goshawks, Dead Heads, Timber Wolf and Simmons just to name a few. For the last 7 or 8 years I've been using the Ace Super Express 200gr. The head is extremely strong and the carbon steel is easy to sharpen to a hair poppin edge. It flys like a bullet and it cuts a BIG hole. What more could you ask of a broadhead... :archer:
In camp in 1958 with some big 2 blade Goshawk heads in my bow quiver (note, no blade guard) :eek:
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Great pic Ron, I love the ACE as well.
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