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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: rlc1959 on June 02, 2012, 12:36:00 PM
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I left my New ACS 2 PC together ( unstrung ) in my garage for a couple weeks. Now I cannot get it apart. What a fit. Any suggestions ??
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Thats a pretty spendy bow, so first I'd make sure your wife didn't glue it together to spite you. Otherwise I'd just give it firm even pressure to until it gives.
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Once I get it apart I think there must be a product to put on the pieces to prevent this. Antiseize or grease ??
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I have tight fitting two pieces and use my legs to help.
I put the bow behind me, grab it with my hands near where the bow comes together. I bend over and brace my knees against my forearms. I use my legs as a lever and also push them open against my arms as I try to pull the bow apart.
This works for me on my two pieces when they get stubborn.
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I use a similar method to Gil. Only difference is I place my hands closer to my hips and sit. The sitting motion of my hips forces my hands apart. It is a body weight versus strength move.
Boy Scout Method.
Matt
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As Gil says. Same way I was taught as a young fella to take a stubborn flyrod apart.
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Yes that's how I do it. Those 2 Pc ACS's are really a close tolerance fit. Good luck Randy.
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I use the "behind-the-back" method as described above, when my bow is really stuck, such as when I have recently applied wax. Usually, I grab the bow with both hands close together, thumbs wrapped around it on either side of the connection, and push my thumb knuckles against each other.
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Hello:
I have two of A & H's two-piece bows and love them. I strongly suggest that you call Dan on Monday before doing anything. A & H uses a specific wax. Follow Dan's guidance. Mine have been together for months while strung, shot and came apart easily. If you use the wrong wax for your local climate, the joint might be a bit more difficult to separate.
Regards,
Kevin
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Michael, that is where I learned to do it too. I have a split bamboo Orvis midge/nymph package from the mid 70s. I had it built by Orvis and before I could take it home they had to show me how to properly take it apart. I was a young kid and it took me about 3 months to pay it off.
I am getting old and forgot all about that until you mentioned it.
Gil
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Originally posted by Brandywine:
Hello:
I have two of A & H's two-piece bows and love them. I strongly suggest that you call Dan on Monday before doing anything. A & H uses a specific wax. Follow Dan's guidance. Mine have been together for months while strung, shot and came apart easily. If you use the wrong wax for your local climate, the joint might be a bit more difficult to separate.
Regards,
Kevin
What he said to be safe. Those bows ain't cheap!
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Thanks guys, I am a decent sized guy and work out pretty regular. I have used all my strength and this bow is TIGHT. I am going to email Dan this morning.
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Hello, Richard:
Please let us know what Dan or Larry share.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Might be vacuum locked so to speak.It will come apart.If its waxed you might use a blow dryer to soften the wax with moderate heat.You could get a buddy to help you out if necessary.Each guy take a half and tugawar smoothly.
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I have not got a response from A&H yet. I was considering heat or cold ???
Thanks for the tips, Still will not come apart !!
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Hello, again:
It might be better to call, than email. If they are busy, leave a telephone message. Dan is especially responsive. DON'T do anything to separate the pieces until you hear back. Using any form of heat may cause damage!
Respectfully,
Kevin
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Dan sent me an email this AM. He suggested shooting it some and trying again. He thinks the wax they use may have melted together . Maybe on a real hot day it will come right apart. i will shoot some tonight and try again.
Thanks, Randy
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Still no luck. I left it set in the Sun a little and a couple of my employees also tried. This bow is tight.
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I think it is time to send it back to Dan.
I believe that Dan is using Jack Harrison's take down system. Jack uses wax with lanolin in it. I have many Harrisons and never had that happen with the wax. He makes it out of toilet bowl ring wax.
At least it is an A&H. They always had great customer service in the past. I assume they still do.
Good luck
Gil
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I had the same problem with a BW bow. Try the method Gil uses but get two pieces of rubber(like used to open bottles) and grip the bow with them. It works for me.
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Shot a dozen arrows yesterday. Unstrung and set in the Sun a couple hours. Still no luck. I guess back to A&H. Dan from A&H called and said they would be glad to check it out. What a great Company. Thanks for all the tips and advise
Take care , Randy
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Try putting one of those thermal hand warmers on the grip for a bit.
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Thanks, Ric:
Please share what happens. I have every confidence that Larry and Dan at A&H will solve your problem in short order once they have the bow. Since there are many, many of these type of joints in use, we will be fortunate to have your update. Thanks.
Kevin
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Bring it indoors for a few days in coldest part of the house, string it, shoot it, then try again. Bet that'll work.
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Originally posted by Gil Verwey:
I put the bow behind me, grab it with my hands near where the bow comes together. I bend over and brace my knees against my forearms. I use my legs as a lever and also push them open against my arms as I try to pull the bow apart.
sound like bow yoga, might have try to keep limber
LOL
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I will try the cold method. I remember something from the Automotive Industry about bearing races or something putting them in the freezer to remove ??
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GOT IT APART !!!! Thanks for the cold suggestion. I stuck in my freezer for an hour. Pulled it out and it came right apart. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Cold worked for me.
Take care , Randy
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Look for a product called Renaissance Wax - it protects the metal from corrosion and works great. I use it on ally my high carbon knife blades. Oh, and the behind the back thing is the way to go. You will get it apart.
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Originally posted by rlc1959:
GOT IT APART !!!! Thanks for the cold suggestion. I stuck in my freezer for an hour. Pulled it out and it came right apart. Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Cold worked for me.
Take care , Randy
Awesome. Makes sense now....hindsight 20/20. Cold equals contraction, heat equals expansion.
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Wow, that's fantastic. You must have a huge freezer. I'm sure A&H would like to know your method. Thanks.
Kevin
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Once you get it apart, put some breech grease on it. Like the stuff I put on my Thompson center. Never got to see a 2 piece AH but most use almost the same concept as a TC
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As for wax and grease, it would be wise to ask A & H:
They have specific wax recommendations, that match those of Black Widow and Big Jim for the same joint system.
The nasty issue is contamination from other materials such as dirt that the separated pieces can attract, even in a bow bag. The mating surfaces must be kept very clean. Each time the bow is disassembled the wax should be removed with alcohol and then stored with a dirt-proof cover over each joint. The wax is kept in a sealed container and only applied just prior to assembly. Contaminated grease will create problems. Care for the joint system like your eyes when using contact lenses. The Black Widow bow manual DVD includes a section showing both joint care and strength.
Regards,
Kevin