ArkyBob and I are getting ready for our Colorado elk hunt in September. We are doing some things differently this year. We're not renting a pack horse this time so we'll be carrying everything we need in on our own backs.
What does this mean?
We go lighter.
We try new cooking and food items.
We carry our own individual smaller tents instead of one large one.
So I've been eating several Mountainhouse meals and just today tried Starbucks VIA instant coffee. It's actually pretty darn good. We've always used Folgers single serve bags since most instant coffees don't taste good at all. I may have just found my new single cup coffee.
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The Jetboil Flash system is awesome. I've been heating all my water for the MH meals with it. I am now up to 23 cups of water boiled on this 3.53 oz. canister and still going (I've had 5 more cups since taking this picture this morning.) :coffee:
It said to expect 12 cups of boiled water. what does this mean to me? I can take one canister in the system (it fits inside the cup) and only one extra and that should easily last all week in the mountains. I realize the altitude will change my home results but 2 new canisters should be good insurance.
MOUNTAIN HOUSE MEALS (results so far)
GOOD:
Bacon&eggs
Chili Mac w/ beef
Lasagna w/ beef sauce
Beef stroganoff w/ noodles
Beef stew
Spaghetti w/ meat sauce
Sweet & sour pork w/ rice
BAD:
Chicken breast & mash potatoes
We both shoot 58" Shrews and almost identical arrows so spare parts (in the event of broken arrows or a cut string) wont be a problem. He has a 54" Shrew as backup and I have a 60" Griffin as mine.
Any good ideas you have please pass them on. We'd love to hear about them.
Even though he shoots a wheel bow, check out Cameron Hanes " Backcountry Bowhunting" published by Eastman's. It is a great book.
I would add some Cliff Bar's to your pack,too.
Good luck & post some pic's w/ your 6 X 6.
Definitely have Clif bars, etc. The MH are mainly for supper only. Lunches are typically salmon or tuna in the foil packs. Breakfasts are generally instant oatmeal and a cup of coffee.
I'll have to check the book out. This will be our 6th (?) trip so we've got a lot of things ironed out. Just some changes in camp strategies mainly this year.
I read a great idea on another thread about dehydrating baby wipes for packing in, then re-hydrating as needed to save a little weight.
Bruce,
Do you have an estimate of what your pack will weigh? How many days will you be hunting?
You will certainly be packing the right bows for the job...I'm a new, Shrew bow lover...I just got an older, used one, from the classifieds and it is the sweetest thing ever.
Preparing for a trip like your's is a lot of fun...sound's like you've learned a bunch about, "don't needs and must haves". Looking forward to hearing more.
Thanks,
Lyle
A few wraps of duct tape around a plastic water bottle is a life saver. Just an FYI my Jetboil doesn't boil water higher then 10,000 not sure if its just mine or not though?
Yep, been using the Starbucks Via the Starbucks last couple of years and I also use one of their barristas to prepare it for me;-)
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You guys are going to have so much fun! Don't forget the camera and break in your boots!! :archer2:
For coffee you might try something called Medaglia Dora, it's an instant espresso. It comes in a little glass jar, I get mine at the grocery store. It's not cheap but probably cheaper than Starbucks. I just put some in a ziploc for trips and mix it to taste for coffee.
I think the altitude will affect the heating more than you think, I would take the extra fuel for sure.
Good luck on the hunt!
Mike
Love BP hunting. Have a trip planned to chasr bears on MT in Sept. While.some buddies chase elk. Can't get here soon enough!
I'm jealous!
Man that sounds like you will have a fine trip. Do you know the area? Anyway, do remember that if those Shrews shoot good then you have to pack it all out. Seems to me that elk have an uncanny way of going into the next draw and down to the bottom when their hit. Used to dread the call from a friend; "Hey I got an elk, can you come help pack it out" But it really isn't that bad, good luck and have a ball.
What exactly is your system? I've been doing some backpack trips the past couple years and been trying to go as light as possible. Don't know what your gear is, but I can point you in some good directions if you're looking at saving some weight.
I had a coworker tell me about those just before our elk trip last year, they sure tasted good out there. You're going to have a great trip, good luck and keep us posted.
-Jay
Don't forget first aid. Superglue and duct tape are good things to bring. Also what is your water filtration? I like to bring Crystal Lite for flavoring the H20.
A big difference between a pack in and a backpack in hunt is how far you go in. With pack animals, distance isn't much of a problem. Need to be more aware of it when you backpack in. Really only becomes a problem if/when you kill something. Getting an elk out will take at least two trips with hefty packs for each hunter.
One thing I've done as I've gotten older ( and perhaps a bit smarter) is to arrange for a packer with horses before the hunt. Then when we get an animal, it's a walk out for one of us to call the packer. For those who use cellphones and GPSs, it might even be possible to call the packer from the mountain and give him the coordinates of the dead animal. Now that's getting pretty decadent. ;) Have fun. Good luck.
Dehydrating baby wipes. Hmm, not so sure about that. I usually carry 10 or so individual Wet-Wipes. I guess if you're really counting grams that would be a great idea.
Not sure what our packs will weigh. I'm guessing somewhere between 35 & 50 at the absolute most. We'll have 5 full hunting days. Maybe 6 depending when we're able to get out of Arkansas. There are a few things we take that aren't necessary but make life on the mountain much more comfortable.
We won't be over 10,000. Generally only 8-9,000 so hopefully the Jetboil will work OK. Which type do you have, gehrke?
I'll have to look for that and try it, chinook.
Mike, definitely taking two new canisters. We should boil somewhere around 20 cups over the course of the hunt. I'm up to 27 cups on this canister now after coffee this morning. So surely we can get 20 cups out of 2 canisters at altitude.
If we get to pack an elk or two out we'll have to go in to town anyway so resupply shouldn't be a problem.
Shane, go ahead and post up some of your weight saving ideas. That's kinda what I started this thread for. I'd love to hear em. Don't know that we really have a "system" per se but we've honed and thinned our lists over the years.
Didn't notice page 2 :)
Water filtration is a Katadyn gravity type. I forget the name right now. We have pump types but likely won't take them in this year (though they will be in the truck) since we fell in love with the gravity on the last trip. We also carry sanitizer tablets. The flavoring packets are great. First aid's always in our backpacks.
Going without the horse will certainly be different this year. We're hoping to contact the landowner just off the public land and pay an access fee to drive our truck to his gate. Then it will only be a mile and a half walk on a road to camp instead of a 4-1/2 mile hike through the mountains.
Getting ready again myself , what tent are yall looking at. We have one man tents and dont care for em , will be getting 2-man tents this year. So we can keep our gear inside and cook if weather is bad.I spend a month in Idaho after elk every year and backpack in for a week then out and hunt with friends on private land a week. Then back in a week then back out a week. My pack is always around 50# , also use the jetboil ( its great ) , love my walking poles ( never used em until last year now you wont catch me without one in each hand ).Getting a Marmot Helium this year and a better ground pad also. With the snow as of now looks like we are going to have a great elk season. Good luck for all this year , keep the ideas rolling about gear ect. I know there are old threads on this stuff but more is always better...........
,,,,Sam,,,,
We're looking at 2 man tents. I never even considered a 1 man. I'll carry an extra pound or two for more room. Right now MY front runner is a Kelty Salida 2. Carry weight is at 4-1/2 lbs. and well under $200. I don't use one often enough to justify $4-500 for one pound less. I think I'd really like one with two vestibules, though. The LLBean Microlight FS is a strong contender, too. It's carry weight is about the same though the website shows minimum weight only.
Our sleeping bags are pretty light. We'll go to a thinner pad than our 3"ers. 1-1.5" or so. You gotta sleep comfortable!!
50 pounds is closer to where I was figuring for the initial walk in. Always wondered about the walking/trekking poles.
The trekking poles are great , One is good two is outstanding , dont get the screw-loc ones get the lever-loc , I dont know much but I saw 2 of the screw locking ones break ( not the pole but the locking screw adjustment ) and the aint no good if you cant adjust your length.
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Doing the same thing in Wyoming this year. Cant wait!
Then it will only be a mile and a half walk on a road to camp .........
If that were the case, I'd have to take a cooler on a game cart :readit: :)
I helped my buddy pack his elk out last year...2 trips 4 miles each...it was the first time I'd used poles...I'm sure they saved me from falling several times when going over logs with my short legs.
Lyle
Great choices on your Mountain House packets. I used them last year in Colorado and enjoyed them a lot. Good luck on your elk hunt! :thumbsup:
Bernie Bjorklund
NC Iowa/SW Wisconsin
QuoteOriginally posted by Barney:
Then it will only be a mile and a half walk on a road to camp .........
If that were the case, I'd have to take a cooler on a game cart :readit: :)
NOT A BAD IDEA AT ALL!! :campfire:
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Look into a Steripen water sterilizer, even if you already have a filtration system. If where you go has clear water sources, and most Colorado watersheds are full of clear running seeps, rivlets and creeks, a Steripen is WAY smaller and just as effective as any filter you can carry.
I never carry a filter anymore.
If you hunt where all the water will be cloudy, which is actually pretty uncommon out here, then a filter is necessary. The Steripen does not work effectively when water is like lemonaid in clarity.
Joshua
I will again be doing a packin elk hunt myself I will change a couple things this year but this is what I used last year and I will tell you the change this year. KUIU 6000 5 lb, Mont bell UL super spirel 15deg down sleeping bag 2 lb 2 oz, Therarest pillow 6OZ, big agness insulated air pad 2 lb 6 oz, Big agness Fly Creek II 2 person tent 2 lb 10 oz, foot print 5oz, Kytidyn Hiker pro 11 oz, Soto Microregulator stove 3oz I think a small and 4oz fuel. Now last year my goal was 1 lb of food per day and I reached my goal I took 2 dehydraded meals, beer jerky, small snickers bars and powder drink mix for each day. I took one pair extra socks and undies washed them there, base layer top and bottom, shirt, Russell outdoors APX Gale jacket, Zephyr pants, Cyclone rain jacket, Marrmot UL down jacket 15 0z, and hats and gloves, Soloman 4d GTX boots. Yes I took hunting gear and emergancy gear O ya and a 1/2 inch foam pad for on top of my air pad it helps keep you warm and if you get a hole you can't repair on the ground. I will get a lighter air pad this year but I will do it the same this year my pack was 45 lbs for 10 day hunt. I am going for a few less days this year and hope to have a lighter pack this year. Widow
You should check out the backpack hunting forum on 24hourcampfire. Tons of good advice and several of us tradgangers hang out there as well.
Just wanted to update you on the Jetboil and Mountain House count.
Add Chicken Teryaki w/Rice to the "GOOD" list.
The Jetboil is now up to 33 cups of water boiled on the one 3.5 oz. canister. I can tell it's getting slower but still burnin'.
My son and I have been doing this for the past few years. Well, for me, the last 2. He's been doing it longer. The Jet Boil is great. We're able to keep packs going in to under 50# usually.
But for meals, this year we're augmenting our Mountain House with Ramen noodles.
Careful with the chicken terryaki. I had one last year and it gave me the worst indegestion of my life, and I never have stomach issues like that. I really like to add a couple of knorr noodle packs. My favorite, though not the lightest is a alfredo noodles knorr pack using powdered milk, boiling water and a foil pack of chicken. After a few days of mountain house meals its nice to have something that taste like real food. I usually eat Patrick Smith's "wild casserole" for lunch. A google search should find it on the Kifaru board.
We are talking about mixing in some BP days this season. In our unit you can get away from the crowds in just a couple miles - seems like a lot of folks are afraid to leave the trails.
I still use my old MSR whisperlite... but I have been eyeballing the jetboil for a while now. I like how well they pack up.
Favorite lunch on the hill - Whole Grain tortillas, peanut butter and bacon. Sounds gross, and honestly I don't eat it at home - but there's just something magical about it on the mtn!
Have FUN and good luck!
Father, add honey to your tortilla combo and you have one of my favorites....
Been stepping up the workouts, cutting down on breads, dairy, and beer. Biking or hiking every evening for that last couple of weeks. I'd like to drop to an honest 175, I'm 180 now.
I'm using the Badlands 2200 and like it so far. I'll be in Wyoming this fall. CAN'T WAIT! I did 5.5 miles with 30 lbs yesterday, picked up my bow and drill the 3D deer from 27 yards with three arrows.
My boots are Asolos. Pretty stiff but they feel the best out all the others I tried.