I recently purchased a 50# Predator recurve by Ron Pittsley. The Gold Tip 3555 that I have seem to be a bit light. I'm thinking about trying some 5575 gold tips and putting the 100 grain brass insert in them and experimenting with 125 and 145 grain tips. I have a 28 inch draw but like shooting a 29 or 30 inch arrow.
Any suggestions?
if it's any help i shoot my 5575's with a 100 grain insert plus a 145 grain tip out of my rer xr 59 @28 they shoot great
I think that would be about right. I bought a dozen 5575s recently to shoot out of my 58pd BW but found I was way under spined. So, I put 200 gr tips on them and shot them out of my 45# Bear Grizzly. They fly great out of the Bear.
I shoot 32 inch long 5575s with a 50 grain brass insert and 145 head from my 54 pound Elburg at 30 inch draw and my Kodiak Hunter which is 47@30. Very versitle arrow.
I shoot a 51@27" carbon/foam Zipper SXT recurve, probably pulling 52-53# and likes a stiff arrow, had to cut 55/75 GTs down to 28.75 (as short as I could go) to shoot either 250 grain heads or 150 grain heads with 100 grain insert.
You will be close with that setup. I wanted to use 250 grains up front so I had to cut it close on length. I would start with 125 (225 total) up front and full length and see what you get, once you cut you can't go back. If you want them shorter, you may have to increase weight up front.
Good luck.
I would hold back on the 100 gr inserts and try the standard aluminum ones first or possibly 50 gr brass inserts.If you start with 100 gr inserts,a 125 gr head may be too heavy.Tune with the standard insert and see what front end weight it wants.
By the way, those Predator bows are awesome, almost bought one last January at KZoo.
I am shooting 5575 GT's full length out of my 52# Pittsley predator and they are darts. No weight on the insert, and a 125gr head. I have a
32+" draw, so have to go easy on front end weight.
Muth,
I assume you are going for a heavier arrow? I have a number of bows that are 50-54# @ 28 that I draw 29 1/2. I shoot a lot of 30 inch 3355s with 50 grain inserts and 200 grain heads. I end up with an arrow in 545 to 550 range and get great flight. Clean passthroughs on 3 whitetails last year. I can't ask for much more.
D.P.
I think they will be too stiff for you. The Gold Tip are light shafts compared to similar spines in others. For hunting purposes I would suggest going with a shaft that has more grains per inch like a Carbon Express 150. They fly great from all my 50 lb bows. no matter what weight I put up front. I also like the nocks better as well.
3555 - 8.6 gpi, spine .500
5575 - 9.3 gpi, spine .400
150's - 10 gpi, spine .487
3rivers has test kits.
Too stiff, especially if cut less than full length.
Forget about 100gr inserts and get some 200 or 250 field points. Much easier to change front end weight with field points/broadheads than messing with brass inserts.
I do think if you want a shorter arrow and only plan on putting 200 upfront, you may be over-spined. But, if shooting a longer arrow with 250 up front and pulling at least 50#, 55/75 should work for many efficient bows with FF string. I was surprised how much I had to cut down the 55/75s to get them to work. There is no way 35/55 would work for me with 250 up front. I agree on test kit or seeing if someone can loan or give you a 400 spine arrow to play around with before buying a dozen.
Tom, I chose GTs because they were lighter for spine, that way I could put 250 up front and still have about a 10gpi arrow (515 grains v. 570 in 150s or 600 in 250s). But this year I'm trying Trad Only's, which are a little heavier.
I'm a fan of the standard insert/heavy point combo. The three bows in my signature all shoot a 29" GT Trad 5575, standard insert, and a 200 grain point. Bare shaft flies dead straight out to 35 yards.
Out of my 54lb predator i have 28" GT 55/75 50gr brass insert and 225 gr point flying great. The 35/55 fly with a regular insert and 175gr point.
I shoot 31" 5575s out of both my 49# recurve and 53# longbow (@29") with 175 gr. heads and standard inserts. They fly better out of my recurve than my longbow, but out of the longbow they bare shaft straight but high. But fletched arrows are pretty accurate (and I'm kinda busy with the life thing) so I'm leaving them alone for now.
My recurve is a 3/16th center shot and I bare tuned up to 7795s which was a mistake. I built up the striker plate and the 5575s dialed right in. They fly like darts feathers or no feathers.
Since I've mushroomed the ends of some stump shooting I'm thinking of cutting them off and doing some experimenting with heavier heads, a little shorter arrows and maybe some alum footings.
Besides the strike plate issue, length in 1/4" increments had more to do with tunability than weight.
I have a 56# Predator and shoot the same arrows. You may find them a bit stiff unless you go 275gn or more on the front. That is what I use on 31" plus arrows.
ChuckC
I think with a little perseverance you'll be happier with the 35-55's. Best wishes!
I shoot 35-55's cut to 29" out of a 52# St. Joe River long bow with a 100gr. insert and a 250gr. feild point. Flys great.
i shoot the 55-75 out of my predator 46#s @ 28 so 52#s @ my 30 in draw length
i leave em full length and use the 100 grn brass insert and 125 points
Thanks for all the advice. I was able to bare shaft shoot a 28" and 30" 35-55 and they both were nock left (weak) for a RH shooter. They shoot ok with feathers but they are a bit noisy.
I got a hold of one 29" 55-75 with 100gr insert and 145 tip with feathers. It shot good and was much quieter. I think it would bare shaft a little stiff though.
Good info on this thread. I just got a 45# KMag and have a 53# Bingham-style recurve; have been shooting 55-60 spine woodies with 125gr points but I want to set up some carbons. I happen to have six new 5575's cut to 29.25" left over from wheelie bow days; thinking about refletching those and putting 200 gr points up front. Think it's worth the trouble?
My arrows are more like gray buffalo's I shoot 3555's with 100 grain insert and a 175 grain tip with full lenght 30 inch arrows, these fly very good, and weigh in at 535 grains
I shoot 50# at my DL (29 1/2"). I shoot 30.5" 55/75 with a 100gr brass insert and 3 - 4" parabolic feathers. It tunes great out of my Sarrels Blueridge takedown longbow and my Sarrels Bobcatt takedown recurve.
Bisch
My 55# MOAB likes 55/75's at 28.5" with 350gr up front. I also shot them out of my 60# Wallace Recurve with 200-225gr up front. Both setups flew like darts out the respective bows.
If only it would be possible to buy just to arrows, i would buy one 5575 and a 3555. I have the same problem with my Spikeman 52# @ 29.5/30... I want durable arrows because I brake too many and I reckon the GTs are a good investement. Dang with having no extra cash... :banghead:
"two"..and "break", rather..got a bit nervous there eheheh
x2 what dave pagel said
I recently purchased a 50# Predator recurve by Ron Pittsley. The Gold Tip 3555 that I have seem to be a bit light. I'm thinking about trying some 5575 gold tips and putting the 100 grain brass insert in them and experimenting with 125 and 145 grain tips. I have a 28 inch draw but like shooting a 29 or 30 inch arrow.
Any suggestions?
I'd start with a couple of arrows with 100 gr inserts and go from there.
Right now, I'm shooting @ 20 yds, full length GT5575s with 175 gr field points with my 45# Bear Grizzly. This works for me.
I have shot EFOC with 100 gr brass inserts and 225 gr field points, this worked very well @ 10 yds. But, at a local 3D shoot my EFOC arrows were too heavy and consistantly shot low to the target.
I have two sets of predator limbs that can help I pull 28"
The 54 lbs shoot gt5575 with 225 up front 29.5" long
The 51 lbs need them longer 30" or so
I shoot a 50lb at 29 inch draw bob lee recurve and I used to use 55/75 gold tips with regular insert and 200 grain points and they shot like darts out of my bow. I would start with maybe 4 arrows three fletched and one bare shaft and try the regular inserts first just use hot melt so you can get inserts out easily, you can always try brass inserts if your shaft is too stiff later or you could trim a little of the shaft at a time if your weak. Just me 2 cents
Most of my bows are in the 52# range and I shoot GT5575 cut to 29>5 with 100gr. brass inserts and 200gr. points. They fly great for me with that set up.