My Hoyt Buffalo 60" 45# with uncut Gold Tip Traditional 3355 w/ 125gr. tips is getting 180 fps. What are you guys getting with your traditional outfits?
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Usually 170- 185 has been the average for me.
Mine is usually 150-170
No idea. Fast enough.
Good question... :dunno: I don't know... Guess it never mattered to me... I'd like to think that my Black Widow TFV shoots 295 fps... :rolleyes: But then, I keep a picture of my wife in her high school uniform on the night stand....... Don't Ask!
... mike ... :D ...
"But then, I keep a picture of my wife in her high school uniform on the night stand."
And when she smiles at you, she looks just the same, eh? I suspect you two smile a lot. :D
I chrono'd a bow once. Yeah, it was fast. Didn't change how I felt about it, or how it felt about me. I use the Pact mostly for load development in my rifles, and that very rarely these days.
Killdeer
No idea and I really don't care. I only want the arrow to straighten up as soon as possible to get good penetration on impact! :thumbsup:
Around 20yrs ago I made the mistake of shooting my favorite longbow through a chronograph. The speed was much lower than what I expected and from that day on I never shot that bow as well. Negative thoughts crept in and I couldn't shake them. I ended up selling that bow for no good reason.
Archery is such a mental thing. I learned from that experience and have since steered clear of chrono's.
But that's just me.
I think some of us have forgotten what we didn't know.
I would say 180 is respectable number with the proper arrow wieght and accuracy.
By the way welcome from Indiana. :wavey:
Rob
Mine is probably around 165 fps
I wonder if anyone has checked their arrow speed with a chronograph and then compared the result to the predicted speed on Stu Miller's Dynamic Spine Calculator. It would be interesting to know if Stu's calculator is a good predictor of actual choreographed speed.
I have the second fastest bows made. Everyone else has the fastest. I am so technically inept I'm sure if I posted chronograph numbers I would find out I miscalulated the number of lumens necessary for a "CORRECT" reading, how to adjust for the magnetic declination for my geographic position, or that I used the wrong FDC for the EFOC of the TARE! :readit: :D :dunno:
My hill style longbows with 10.5 to 1, d/r longbows with 11.5 to 1 and t.d. recurve with 12 to 1 arrows all consistently shoot 166-170 f.p.s. through a chronograph. Concerning speed, I have noticed that some who post chronograph results from time to time get consideragly higher speeds than those achieved with the same bows independently reviewed by Traditional Bowhunter Magazine.
My bow is only as fast as my mind is deciding to release the string.I prefer the amount of punch it gives when it hits something.
I don't know, but like as much zip on the arrow as I can get and still have enough arrow weight for good penetration and sound dampening.
My bows are as fast as lightning when I shoot them anywhere but over the chrono. I guess it's stage fright or something. Take the chrono out of the picture and they speed right back up.
Roger, that is pretty darn good for bein unstrung!! If I calculated right, you were gettin 124.67 fps without even tryin hard. :goldtooth:
Here are some mild d/r bows I built testing core materials...
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001491;p=6
Like someone said, ya gotta compare apples to apples: same arra weight per # of bow, and a shooting machine to get the same draw length each time and each bow. Look what the extra inch does for speed in my test!!
When ya pull past your ear in testing, you risk losing an ear!! :D
I don't know and really do not care. I do know that my expierence with the chrono posters are the same as Jim Wright's. I am not certain how so many people can shoot their bows so much faster than a controlled shooting machine. I know, I know, yours is special and so are you...
God Bless
Kenny, that was some good stuff bro. God Bless
I would say around the 170-185 fps mark would be a conservative average for a 28" draw bow at about 9.5 gpi-10.5 gpi. I was hunting with a Shrew at 43 lbs. last year shooting a 10.7 gpi arrow and passed through the three deer I harvested. I believe it was shooting somewhere in the area of 170fps maybe a little less.
Joe,
I just played with the numbers on Stu's calculator to match the arrow weight and dynamic spine using Blacky Schwarz test numbers for the Dryad ACS RC-42.7@28, 384 gr arrow (9gpp)(I used OTHER for the shaft and fiddled with the spine). Blacky showed a measured speed of 198 fps and kinetic energy of 33.44 ft-lbs. Stu's calculator showed 197 fps and 33 ft-lbs.
"Archery is such a mental thing" ~ Red Beastmaster.
Ya think? Great story partner & exactly the same as you good folks above have perfectly explained. Don't need no stinking chronograph! Just straighten my arrow in time (as per Wiley C).
My bows get about 175 fps with arrows that weigh 10 GPP.With 12 GPP,about 160 fps and at 13.5 GPP,155.
How fast?
Let's see, once it gets there, I hope the arrow SLOWS DOWN whatever it hits. A healthy white tail deer can do 44 fps, while venison's top speed should be closer to zero.
I always figured nature made 'em just fast enough to outrun me or a wolf, not a Ferrari.
"Archery is such a mental thing" ~ Red Beastmaster.
Ya Dave, how true. Problem is my wife says I am mindless, where does that leave me? Maybe that explains the occasional bad shot? What the hey!
But back to the question of "is this a good arrow speed". Well it depends, stating the obvious, you can "adjust" your arrow speed by changing your arrow weight. You can also predict arrow speed for a given arrow weight. You can even predict your arrow speed by bow type. Being a software engineer who loves data (a real personality flaw) I built a calculator that does this an I have never tested a bow that performs much better than its design would predict. The bow tests that Blacky does for TBM are accurate and show the same. BTW the question about Stu Millers arrow speed estimates...they are high for a finger release. I read he may be offering a finger release estimate in a future version.
Here is the calculator..
www.outdoorsden.com/archery (http://www.outdoorsden.com/archery)
Selfbow,
I kind of thought that Stu's calculator would be pretty accurate. Thanks for checking that out.
All other things being equal (arrow weight, BH design, etc.), I like a fast bow. A fast bow delivers more of its energy to the arrow and thus it makes that delivery to the intended target. If that target is a game animal, that energy delivery increases the likelihood of good penetration and recovered game.
Thanks,
Joe
I shoot a Great Northern Bush Bow 62" 47@28, Goldtips 35/55 175 grans upfront total weight 525 172 Feet Per second.
Pittsley Predator recurve... 32.5" draw, 60" bow at 51.5 lbs. 198 fps with a 425 gr. total weight arrow. (125 tips). Doesn't really matter, as you learn to shoot the trajectory you have with your bow. I would still like it due to it's smooth draw and shootability, even if it shot 180.
All my bows have the perfect speed. Fast enough to get the job done and slow enough to still see the arrow in flight.
I worry about good arrow flight and worry about speed a little less. Kind of like shooting too much gun and flinching. Better to be accurate than fast. Speed is good, but unfortunately I don't have the draw length to capitalize on it. I do like Jim Wright's mid-160 goal though.
Honestly now guys, People are buying foam core and carbon bows. Its not because they want to pay extra money. I have sold perhaps 15 or 20 base price bow in the last 4 or 5 years. Thats it. Every one starts out saying I want a base priced hunting bown and they end up adding this option and that option and on and on until they have a full blown custom bow. It seems to be our nature to talk conservative and live high. There are people on this thread saying it doesn't matter that own several Centaurs, ACHs ect ect. saying it doesn't matter.
To most of us it matters and when talking speed out of a stick a bow shooting 130 fps with a 10 gr arrow will kill. So its not about that. Its really about having the best we can get to do what we like.
All of them will do the trick if the shooter does his part.
170 and up at 10 gpi and 28 in draw is good.
God bless you all, Steve
Don't know, but there is a visual flight look and trajectory that agrees with me, which is normally around 10.5 gr/lb. Much faster and it's like the bow went off in my hand, so I wind up increasing arrow weight to slow it back down.
Well, I might be showing my age a bit. But, to me a "fast" bow is anything that shoots a hunting weight arrow at over 170 fps. That looks fast to me. Maybe that's because I am a little older and slower, or because I grew up with bows that shot 160fps and lower.
I have a couple of bows now that shoot 500gr hunting arrows far faster than anything did in the old days and that seems screaming fast to me -- and the arrow flight is great. That also seems to be very efficient use of the stored energy in the limbs. Trad bowyers just keep getting better and better these days. In my opinion, we may be living in a "golden age" of trad bow design and craftsmanship. It sure looks that way.
In terms of visual flight. The more the flight looks like just a nock going toward the target the better I like it. Wobble, other than natural paradox, is something I try to eliminate as much as I can. We are all probably pretty much the same about that.
This has been an interesting thread.
Thanks,
Joe
QuoteOriginally posted by mcgroundstalker:
[QB] Good question... :dunno: I don't know... Guess it never mattered to me...
same here...It never mattered to me because to me speed doesn't kill, accuracy does
:dunno: Do not own a chrono!
Never gave it much thought.
I have a 26" draw. Anything over 170 FPS with a hunting arrow is screaming to me.
I like a smooth drawing and shooting bow first and foremost with a grip that fits me like a glove (sorry Jim Carey). If that bow helps me get a bit more umph with my draw length and relatively draw weights, I'm pleased.
I have a chrony and I like toying with it. Mostly what I've found is there is very little difference between the bows I own. If a bow is quite different (one comes to mind) I can tell when I shoot it whether 7 or 30 yards.
I did find out that the first shot out of my recurves is always 2-3 FPS hotter than immediate subsequent shots. This gives me one more reason to limber up my bow once I'm on stand and from time to time while hunting.
I don't think I'm less a hunter or in danger of not winning my "traditional" merit badge because I like to understand my equipment inside and out.
My new Legacy series Tomahawk (55#) shoots around 165 fps with a 650 grain arrow. My Diamond SS shoots 172 with a 580 grain arrow.
QuoteOriginally posted by Sixby:
Honestly now guys, People are buying foam core and carbon bows. Its not because they want to pay extra money. I have sold perhaps 15 or 20 base price bow in the last 4 or 5 years. Thats it. Every one starts out saying I want a base priced hunting bown and they end up adding this option and that option and on and on until they have a full blown custom bow. It seems to be our nature to talk conservative and live high. There are people on this thread saying it doesn't matter that own several Centaurs, ACHs ect ect. saying it doesn't matter.
To most of us it matters and when talking speed out of a stick a bow shooting 130 fps with a 10 gr arrow will kill. So its not about that. Its really about having the best we can get to do what we like.
All of them will do the trick if the shooter does his part.
170 and up at 10 gpi and 28 in draw is good.
God bless you all, Steve
Well said :thumbsup:
I like shooting arrowas in the 650+ area. Right now I'm playing with some easton fmj 300 witH a 100gn insert and 250 upfront(full length) 750 grains total weight :bigsmyl:
And a momentum of 0,58
guess I'll have a passthru on any game on the western hemisphere...
I test all of my setups for finding the best performance between weight of arrow and speed + the comfortzone of the bow!
QuoteOriginally posted by Killdeer:
"But then, I keep a picture of my wife in her high school uniform on the night stand."
And when she smiles at you, she looks just the same, eh? I suspect you two smile a lot. :D
I chrono'd a bow once. Yeah, it was fast. Didn't change how I felt about it, or how it felt about me. I use the Pact mostly for load development in my rifles, and that very rarely these days.
Killdeer
So killdeer is also a rifle shooter and reloader as well as an archer and philosopher. Unlimited talents, I say.
I shoot a 50# at my DL Bob Sarrles Blueridge takedown longbow. I use GT arrows that are just over 10gpp and get 177 through the chrono.
Bisch
Tried my Chek hunter 2
44# 28" draw. 30 inch xx75 1916 (470grains).
158 fps
It works fine
Great posts guys!!! Very interesting bunch we are. I shoot a 58 lb Eaglewing D and R and a 62 in Sasquatch Recurve about same weight with 550 gr doug firs that Sir Snag just did a beautiful job on. They both shoot in the triple digits and I can almost see the nock before the arrows hit the target. If you put a 5/8 washer behind the heads when you are hunting it stops pass throughs enough so that you can tell where the hit is.
God bless you all, Steve :campfire: :biglaugh:
I've shot my 49# Zona through a chrono a while ago, if I remember right I was getting around 170 with it shooting my 448gr arrows.
Fast enough for me since for the most part it hits where I point it "as long as I do my part." :archer:
I have been building my own bows for a while now. Now I like to shoot thru a chrono just to see how the design works.The last one was 56# @ 29" (my draw)it shot a 685gr arrow 161.I'm not sure how it stacks up compared to the pro's but she's just fine in my book.
I've had a ton of great bows over the last few years. I ran a bunch over my chronograph. Probably 90% were longbows so keep that in mind.
1. Fastest, Centaur 198 fps
2. ACS (Almost no difference with Centaur)197 fps
3. Everything else 175-185 fps
If you want a hotrod go #1 or 2. Otherwise shoot whatever you like, at 20 yards, it won't matter.