Has anyone ever heard of a Black Ram Traditions Bow?
TTT
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Its not the bow I was told it was but I own it now.
Long Story, still love my dad, no give backs lol.
I would like to find out info on it though.
Nice lookin bow
Don't know anything about then Charlie, but it's a great looking bow!
I beleive the Bowyer to be Paul Schwartz. Green Bay, Wisconsin. He made me a bow in 2008. Just builds a few bows a year. Excellent craftsman, builds beautiful bows and great guy to work with.
Very nice indeed. Looks like it's patterned after a Wing Slim Line Pro.
Very nice bow, I wouldn't complain about that one.
Quite a few years ago a friend of mine and I saw one of these bows in a story in Traditional bowhunter Magazine maybe 10/12 years ago ...We were both asking questioins about them as well and not much was found but both He and I fell in love with the recurve design..I really like the looks myself of the profile and kind of reminds me of the RER Arroyo's in the riser section...Sure would like to see a strung profile of the limbs and tips if anyone else has any?
Keefers <><
Charlie,
That's a good looking bow. How does it shoot?
Joe
QuoteOriginally posted by Orion:
Very nice indeed. Looks like it's patterned after a Wing Slim Line Pro.
Thats what I thought, Older wing look to it.
Nice bow Charlie.
CTT
16 gauge has the right info. I have one of Paul's bows from about 1998, very similar to the one shown. They are good shooters. Paul was an exhibitor at one of the early Traditional Expos hosted by Great Northern before thy moved to Kalamazoo. I didn't realize he was still making bows. The contact info I have for him is out of date so I can't help there.
That's definately one of Paul's bows. He doesn't build them anymore, and seems to have moved on to other ventures in his life. I haven't seen him in a couple years, but he was an excellent craftsman. Nice bows, to be sure.
The story Keefer referred to was by our very own "Schlaggerman". It was either about his South Dakota whitetail hunt or his Wisconsin whitetail that he tagged a couple weeks later. That bow was very good to him.
I know there are a few of Paul's bows around yet, but haven't seen any for quite some time.
I like the colors of that bow, don't know any info, though...
great lookin bow !
that is a fantastic looking bow, and sounds like some good history...
Congrats Charlie... Really neat to "uncover" these craftsman and boyers....
You guys hit the Nail on the head I imagine.
Background,
This bow was at an auction in WI in My old Hometown yesterday along with some bear recurves.
I asked my dad to send me pictures and tell me about it.
He told me it was a Black Ram and I asked him to look again and see if it didn't say Bruin since they are made about 20 minutes from there in WI.
He said, "yep definitely says Bruin, the writing was hard to read over the dark wood".
He gave me the back ground, said a guy had this bow built and then passed. The bow came with a case, stringer, new selway quiver and of course is beautiful as can be.
I told him how much I was willing to spend and he called me saying he got it for me, for less.
when he got home and looked closer, he told me it was a Black Ram and 43 lbs not the 50 lbs like he had thought. The lighting at the auction house was poor and there were a lot of people in there.
I am still excited about the bow. My father shot it tonight and thinks its pretty darn sweet. His groups were every consistent with the 4 autumn orange arrows that were with it.
Thanks for all the history on this bow. I think my Father will have to bribe this Bowyer with Packer season tickets to build him another :readit:
I am looking forward to shooting it, and you guys are right, it does look a lot like the wing slim line. I was stood up on one 2 weeks ago that cost almost as much as I paid for this bow.
I'm looking forward to shooting this bow.....Looks kind'a nice. When can I expect a test drive Charlie??? :goldtooth:
Dad says bow will be here Thursday!
You will have to show me your license first! :readit:
I will let you decide which license, your hunting license or drivers license (inside Joke from today)
Charlie - you're finding some really nice bows. Congratulations on this one, it's a beauty!
-Jay
Charlie, Whatever you paid for it, you got yourself a nice bow. Good find by your Dad!
That is a damn nice looking bow...I bet it shoots good too..Congrats
Mac
T.T.T. for Otis "BLINDS" to see...Pretty ain't it?
I should have it come Thursday. I will have to go home for Lunch to see if the Mail man has come yet.
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Congrats on a great looking bow!!!
Hey Charlie post more pic's when you get it would like to see the strung profile if you don't mind, thanks.
Charlie,
Can we see pics of he tips also if ya taking pics? That bow sure is a looker..
Wow!!! Sweet bow Charlie!
Beautiful bow!
Knobby is right that is a Black Ram made by Paul Scwhartz of Wisconsin. I believe I have Paul's phone number if anyone would want to get in touch with him. Great shooting bows. Knobby nicknamed mine "The Buck Magnet", I guess because the bow was awfully good to me. Shot two P&Y bucks within five days with that bow, one in South Dakota and one in Wisconsin. Come to think of it, maybe it was a "Buck Magnet". One of the most beautiful bows I've ever owned.
Congrats brother on a great find!
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F-Manny
Thats a work of art!
An email was placed to the Bowyer but we have not had a response in 3 days. I dont know the guy so he may be the type to not frequent computers, or he may be on vacation. guess we will wait and see.
I will post more pictures of the strung profile after I get the bow. I am curious myself.
I will also post the pics my dad took after he brought it home.
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That is one nice looking bow!!!
-Jay
I'm not positive but I may have even known the original owner of that bow, I shot with him about 10-12 years ago at Rib Mtn. Bowmen in Wausau. Unfortunately my alzheimers is kicking in and I can't come up with his name. He had to have been in his upper 60's or possibly 70 when I shot with him. But you saying the bow is 43lbs. would be spot on because that is what his bow was and the looks are identical.
Dale, it probably is the same guy. If you ever get more info, I would love to hear some history on it.
I am from Rib Mt, my father still lives there and the bow came from auction in Wittenburg.
I will be back in the area in the next few years and already have been looking for property to purchase. Last night I saw 32 acres in Merril with a house and barn.
I try to get my father out to the local shoots with his Big River bow. he went to Rib Mt. Bowmen 2 years ago but didnt shoot due to a recent surgery.
It would be good to meet you when I move back.
Hi Charlie, Yes look me up. I can contact a few of the other members of Rib Mtn. Bowman and I'm sure I can come up with a name for you on that bow. Give me a couple of days. Dale
No Problem Dale,
My little brother just joined out there!
I am a little bummed, the package did not show up today. It says on truck for delivery in their system, but has not made it.
:pray:
Please come tomorrow, bad thoughts go away.
Looks like a real beauty Charlie.Good luck with it.
love the large diamond pattern in the riser woods.
If I remember correctly, the edge of that diamond creates a four cornered "star" at the throat of the grip. I know it's something Paul put in there intentionally because he liked the way it looked on his Damon Howatt.
I'm not sure where the "Black Ram" comes in, but the "Navarino" is for the wildlife area near Shawano that Paul used to hunt.
As pretty as your new bow is, Paul once made a bow with an orangish-hued cocobolo riser with moose horn accents. That bow would probably be in my "top-five" for most attractive bows I've ever seen. The only plain-jane bow I ever saw of his was the original prototype, and that was a nice shedua-rised bow. The one that Schlaggerman had was a looker, too.
Hope your bow shows up tomorrow, otherwise it's going to be a loooong weekend waiting for Monday.
Hi Charlie, Here's the info on the bow. The original owner was Morgan Warner, he lived on a farm east of Wausau. Paul Schwartz used to come to a lot of our shoots and that's where Paul and Morgan met. I had one of Paul's bows and Morgan always admired it and so he ordered one from Paul. Here's the interesting part; Morgan was a compound target shooter and wanted more of a challenge so he got into recurves late in life. He never liked 3D archery, only shot the 300 blue face leagues. I would guess that bow is in pristine condition because it was probably never shot outside. He never hunted with it or shot 3D archery with it, strictly indoor spot or our animal target face leagues. He used to attend all of our traditional shoots but would only shoot the indoor portions of the shoots. I haven't seen him in probably 7-8 years and didn't know he had passed away. Dale
Cool to find out the history of that bow.....Now for the important part...Charlie, did it come into your possession yet??? :campfire: :coffee:
Charlie, that is a sweet bow, i have seen them before at the WTA banquets, he donates one, i think every year for the bow raffle. Congrats on a great find. Nice to hear you will be back to Wis soon, will be great to meet you finally brother.
The Bow is still Missing in Action :( :pray: It thinks it was here in my hometown and then accidentally sent back to Syracuse. My guess is since it was a large package it didn't handle the conveyer belt well and was set aside, then loaded into the wrong truck by someone who is overworked and underpaid.....
Thanks For the Info Dale, That's pretty neat and my Dad will be happy to learn about it also. we were told the previous owner passed and the family sent the bow to auction but it doesn't guarantee he is dead. cant believe everything you hear i guess.
I feel the same way Joe! I have talked with enough of you guys to feel like I know you, but have yet to meet you in person.
I will be sure to update on Monday, the new anticipated delivery date.
Thank you all for helping find the history on this awsome bow. Dale and Knobby, you hit the nail on the head with describing everything about this bow, I am amazed with the information on a bow you saw many years ago. It does have the cross in the center of the inside of the hand grip anf the word Navarino written under Black Ram. Plus Morgan Wever is the name on the bow. Charlie hangs with some realy cool people. I shot this wonder bow before I sent it out to him and it was a dream to shoot as the arrows all hit with in a few inches of each other every round I shot. It was hard to wrap this up and send it away and I knew Charlie was disapointed in me a little for this not being what he thought I was buying. Plus we could not find any info on it right away. I told him if he was un happy with this bow, I would buy it back. But once he has his hands on it, my chances are slim to none.
Ron , you should get your chance to test drive this as there are new scans on this and should deliver to Charlie today. I can not wait till he has a chance to open this and hold it in his hands.
Dale, perhaps one day we can meet and fling a few.
Charlie I hope this bow is worth the money.
Let me know how it fits and shoots for you, other wise you know where I live!!
Dad
This Just in......
The Package was Delivered this morning. It was only 5 Days late. I would have 5 days late over the Missing package status they gave us all last week!
My wife has safely brought it in to the house.
Cant wait until after work. :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl: :bigsmyl:
Charile, that is a very pretty looking bow!! I love the riser profile.
Sooooooo? :coffee: :coffee: :coffee:
Waiting on Charlie's call after he has had his hands on it and shot it a few times. I want to hear his thoughts!!
I sent him a PM......he sounds very pleased......I can't wait to go for a test drive!!! :goldtooth:
I found this package and the end was open, the box was a little crushed :eek: :scared: . I had a sick feeling come over me before I dug in.
I quickly opened up the box to see the contents!
Thankfully everything was in great shape sheeew :readit:
I will try to get you guys the profile picture in the daylight.
This bow was made in 1997, the year I graduated. The bowyers phone # plus brace height info and such was found in a pocket inside the bow case on a receipt sized piece of paper.
The day this bow was made was actually a day my father and I were turkey hunting. It was also the day we went turkey hunting and saw our first white turkey and the day our old dog Sadie adopted us. This was 3 days prior to my 18th Birthday. I remember the bright sunny day well. saw a huge flock of turkeys, caught a few trout, found a few Morels and brought home a new dog much to my Mothers she-grin.
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Amazing find and amazing story.
Test drive, test drive........me first!!! :wavey:
I saw a fellow at Comptons last summer with one of these bows. They are very nice to look at and hold.
I hope you like it Charlie
CTT
As promised, I rushed home from work and took some pics that do not give this 15 year old bow justice.
The rise is Bacote and Cocobolo. The accent stripe is Choct Koch (Chacta Coke)
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Oh, and after a trial run,
I'd say it exceeds my expectations.
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Maybe once you get familiar with it you will get a better group... :biglaugh: :biglaugh:
Cool story and pics, those woods are sweet! That bowyer has an eye for beauty...
Nice shootin' too!
Glad you like the bow Charlie and it meets your expectations. You take much better pictures than I did.Glad it all came together. Just did not need the added stress of the thought of it being lost in transit. Well it is home now. I can sleep better tonight.
Charlie, Nice shooting bow isn't it? I've shot that bow several times, whenever I could wrestle it away from Morgan for a few shots. It is sweet!
I know you were initially disappointed that it wasn't a Bear recurve, like your Dad thought, but it looks like you're over the disappointment. Nice shooting and have fun with a sweet bow.
(Dad, you did very well!)
Charlie you've got a winner,congrats.
Looks like a great bow!
Very nice, what a great find on a beautiful bow.
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Great find! I keep stopping at garage sales and flea markets hoping for something remotely similar! Congrats!
That is a good looking bow. Great lines. I have had my eye out for one of those for quite a while after shooting one at a trad shoot about 8 yrs ago. Still regret not buying that bow.
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Good shootin' :)
That bow is superb! Congrats Charlie!
F-Manny
Manny, You will shoot this bow at the Stump shoot although it is a wayyy too wimpy for you. I know how you like your 600 lb draw weight.
Can't wait to shoot that beautiful bow my friend!
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F-Manny
Beautiful bow Charlie! I watch for auction listings when I get a chance hoping to stumble on to somebodys stash someday. You're very lucky I wasn't at that one or you either wouldn't own it or you would be stubtantially poorer! ;)
Joe,
lol, I would go with the "wouldnt own it" as I am already the latter. I was fortunate to have just sold a couple bows and had a little OT to cover the month's bills.
Chances are next Month I will have a few bows on the classifieds again for a just in case stash for next month.
Hey Joe, good thing you live in the southern part of the state, the competition up here in the Wausau area is more now. Not so much from shooters, but from interenet resellers and antique dealers. They have made me go higher then normal on several bows including the Kodiak Magnum I just picked up for Charlie. But that bow was show room condition and they pissed me off.
I have lost bows to these guys before, but their profit margin must be less now as I did not let them have them for a steal.
I keep looking all the time now thanks to Charlie.
Have a Happy Easter.
It is a looker, I love the lines it has.
Had a chance to shoot Charlies recurve today after a 3/D shoot! Nice bow and it is fast... :thumbsup:
Thanks Ron. I knew you would like it. You seemed to shoot it good too even if you used your 500 lb popular shafts. :readit:
Maybe that's why you had a pass through on your 3d foam target :dunno: ;)
Nice find Chuck and congrats Charlie. That's a great looking bow and looks to be a shooter as well. Will that bow be joining you in the turkey woods?
-Jay
Jay,
To answer your question; No that bow will not join me in the turkey woods. I will be turkey hunting with my Griffin or if I can ever get around to shooting it accurately again, my G&L. They are a little shorter and easier to shoot sitting down.
This Black Ram Bow has never been hunted. YET :readit:
I am sure to get a few scratches on it sooner or later.
Charlie,
Wow, great photos of a beautiful bow. And clearly you shoot it well. Congratulations.
Joe
You have a real winner there Charlie. It has the looks and feel of a widow PTF. It brought back fond memories of the one I let get away from me in the classifieds.