can you carry a hand gun in new mexico during archery hunts?
It was legal in 2006. A warden actually advised me to carry a pistol if I was hunting bears with a bow. I would check the regs to be sure these days.
This is bowhunting related so I don't see how it could be considered off topic.
Under which rule is the question considered off topic? It seems like a valid bowhunting related question to me. Excllent advice to check with NM authorities. You don't want to rely on second hand information when it comes to the law.
Under this one.No non Trad Bowhunting equipment (compounds, crossbows, mech heads, lazer sites, guns, etc...or even pics). It took me less than a minute to find the NMFW on line. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong,and sorry if I am wrong.
This one is fine....he's asking about taking something during an archery hunt....
I would think that underfederal law on federal land, unless the rights have been taken due to a felony, a person has the right to carry a firearm, but not the right to use it to kill an animal he's got an archery only tag for.
That's just my rationale so you might want to give them a call. I'm wrong quite often.
QuoteOriginally posted by Mike Mecredy:
I would think that underfederal law on federal land, unless the rights have been taken due to a felony, a person has the right to carry a firearm, but not the right to use it to kill an animal he's got an archery only tag for.
That's just my rationale so you might want to give them a call. I'm wrong quite often.
I think is different for every state, in California you can not carry a side arm during any archery only season or with a archery only animal tag.
I have a carry permit for a concealed weapon for personal protection and I never leave home without it, even while bowhunting.
i have a cwp too. it is not reciprocate in new mexico. i skimed through the regs earlier but could not find any info.i will have time tonight to read a little more. i was just asking if anyone knew. i put in for a draw hunt there with some friends. i will post after i do some more resurch
Only recently were you allowed to carry a handgun during archery only seasons in KY, even if you had a cdw permit. And now you can carry ONLY if you have a concealed deadly weapons permit.
I don't know about the gun issue, but I think they have telephones in New Mexico. Because the - some guy on the web told me it was ok - defense, likely won't fly.
I live in IL but hunt in MO. Just last year MO let anyone with a MO concealed carry permit (not sure abour reciprocal states) carry during bow season. Also retired Police Officers carrying under HR 218 can carry while bowhunting. It has been illegal for YEARS.
In VA, open carry is (and has been) legal for many years (but not on National Forest land). A few years ago, concealed carry became legal (not that anyone was concealing from the deer, but cold-weather clothing kinda' dictated). Now, things are looking good (even on National Forest lands) if you want to carry a pistol while carrying a longbow or recurve (or crossbow, or muzzleloader, or shotgun, or rifle, or ball-peen hammer, or nunchakus, or throwing stars, etc . . .) :bigsmyl:
This is actually a topic I am very interested in considering it is legal to carry a hand gun while hunting in SC. I never thought I'd be considering this topic. After shooting a dozen Black Bears with my longbow and seeing many more plus getting out of my stand in the dark knowing some where within reach, I was never worried. But following a blood trail at night of one of these guys, I am considering Very Seriously having a back up on my hip. This is Not your average BarBQ pig :scared: I'm over 6 ft/215# and curly out weighs me! tippit
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Tippit, I assume that critter was shot with a Pronghorn bow?...PR
Actually shot with a McCullough Griffin longbow 60" 42#@28. Just have to get lucky to get around the shield.
Instead of calling, I would email the officer your question in the area you will be hunting. That way you will have a paper trail to take with you. A phone conversation can be misunderstood or forgotten.
By the way, that was advise given to me by Fred Eichler.
They changed the law last year in Alabama, you can now cary on state and private lands during bow season if you have a CCW.
Just check regulations!! State carry permits do NOT give you permission to carry on SOME federal Properties . Technically you cant carry a gun in a POST OFFICE its federal and its not allowed even with a State Carry Permit! Check the land your on PRIOR to going with a gun .
The only place I've carried a handgun while bowhunting was in Alaska and that because of Grizzly bears. My question is why do you think you need one?
Like Tippit, I hunted bear for years in Washington state and even though it was not a bow season never saw the need to carry a firearm.
Mike
I was just asking a friend about this. I do believe an email would be best to the state your hunting.
Border violence would be one reason to carry in New Mexico.
I don't think I would hunt in an area I was afraid of border violence to the point of carrying a handgun. Lot's of other places that are safe to hunt.
Maybe I've mellowed in my old age.
Mike
wingnut, I think it's for the 2 legged varmints! I always carry heat,because not far from where I live, a guy was robbed, thrown in the lake and left for dead. He was just fishing from the bank. So bowhunting or whatever, my kimber is a companion :thumbsup: :campfire:
A Kimber in 45 is a good friend to have,nice choice of makers.
i live and hunt in Ca. they wont even let you look at a hand gun anymore lol
Often times one of us carries both bows while the other fellow totes the back-up rifle.
QuoteOriginally posted by ishoot4thrills:
Only recently were you allowed to carry a handgun during archery only seasons in KY, even if you had a cdw permit. And now you can carry ONLY if you have a concealed deadly weapons permit.
Same in Michigan....and we're an open carry state...lol
My wife wont let me out the door without a sidearm on my hip during archery season in Montana. I am a grizzly magnet!! I lived in New Mexico and never really remembered a time when I felt I needed one (except near the border). Email a warden, they will set you straight.
Since 2007 in PA you're permitted to carry a handgun (semi-auto or revolver) during archery seasons provided you have a "License To Carry Firearms" permit and the sidearm is only carried and used for self defense. It also stipulates "only firearms that are authorized by the permit (most sporting arms are not authorized)." I'm not sure exactly what that means. I am sure that a scoped Thompson Center .30-06 handgun wouldn't qualify but not sure about a .44 Mag. trail gun. :dunno:
Ya if there were lots of Grizzlies around I'd maybe carry back up-but if I worried there might be a criminal element I'd hunt elsewhere.
I don't think it is legal in Iowa. While I am all for the right to carry, I am already pretty well armed when I am toting a bow for anything that could be a problem in my state. When it comes to a charging grizzly, I think I would be better off with a canister of grizzly mace than trying draw and make a killing shot with a pistol, unless the noise factor works. I have seen the noise factor not work on a black bear, when the bludgeon in the butt did.
This is very interesting. I would like to know about a number of statesas well.I especially like the advice to get a written opinion from the local authorities.
In Georgia, you can carry your personal defense weapon during an archery hunt if you are licensed. My Glock .45 is usually with me but not out of fear of 4 legged threats. It is an uneasy feeling to be challenged in the woods when you are the only person that has legal right to be there.
Open carry here in Louisiana also. Only allowed rat shot in .22 cal for archery season, unless you have a concealed carry permit.
Recently read an article, and a warden felt, Bear Spray was as effective, unless your an excellent shot on fast moving target.
This past year two hunters in Northern Idaho were hunting black bear, one wounded a bear, turned out to be a Griz, when tracking the bear it charged, the shooter fired again, they thought the Griz killed the other hunter, seems like a shot from the hunter was responsible. They did not know their own limitations. I would think the tracks should have given them reason to back out and call a Warden.
i had two pics of what looked like 80-100# cougar(my dogs 85# and had him walk by the trail cam) when i checked it last weekend. i showed the land owner and know he wants me to carry a side arm. i told him i thought it was illegal, i dont own a hand gun and dont think it is necessary. does anyone know if its illegal in kansas?
You can open carry a handgun legally in NM during archery season. You can also transport one loaded in your vehicle in this state. There are limits in state parks but those are closed for hunting.
Check with NMDPS of NMDGF for your own security however.
B-DOG, I would check multiple sources from within th state you intend you carry or possess a handgun. Internet search the laws through thier state-run websites, local firearms rights organizations etc. There is no shortage of people getting arrested and jailed for violations after having read somewhere on the internet they were good to go. its also not umcommon to get bad info from lawenforcement resources, so check with multiple references.
Most of the western and south western states are pretty good as far as carry goes, but do you homework for every state you may travel through etc.
They are not just getting arrested and jailed. They will likely also loose their right to carry permit. Most all of the State laws have stiff provisions for revocation. You'll also loose the weapon seized in the initial arrest.
Be sure of what you are doing.
In Utah it is now legal to open carry. Since I have a CWP I have be carrying for years now. Last season my son and I found an abandon meth lab, where we were hunting. Did not see it until we were right in it. Not worried about the four legged animals but the two legged.
QuoteOriginally posted by ishoot4thrills:
Only recently were you allowed to carry a handgun during archery only seasons in KY, even if you had a cdw permit. And now you can carry ONLY if you have a concealed deadly weapons permit.
That used to be the case until last year. New regulations state "Anyone who may legally possess
firearms may carry firearms while
hunting, but only persons with valid
concealed carry deadly weapon permits
may carry their firearms concealed."
Therefore since KY is an open carry state anyone who can legally possess a handgun may open carry or conceal carry with a permit during any season. Different regulations on federal lands.
Wingnut :biglaugh:
You have not hunted elk in Wa. state for a few years I take it..
Ever since the liberals in the Seattle area, took over the management of some species that used to be handled by the Game Dept. [ specifically Cougars and Bears...and probably wolves will follow soon] by a general election vote... Cougars`and bears can no longer be hunted with hounds nor can bears be baited... Their numbers have blown out of control to the point that a few years back a cougar was removed from the hall way inside a middle school that was in session just East of Vancouver WA..
At this point, cow calls seem to bring in cats much as a gun shot does Bears on Kodiak Island...
As a result, WA. finally relented and allows the carry of defensive handguns by those with a CCW... which is a bit strange as they do not require they be carried concealed.
During early season while using a cow call, my Pro Carry II Kimber 45 has become just another piece of equipment I carry while afield. ;)
Gene Carroll
What all of you are forgetting is that it is always a good time to carry a handun. I have been a law enforcement office for 16 years. To me, it makes no sense to go out anywhere without a gun. Do you wear a seatbelt? Do you because it's the law or because it makes sense (or you don't like the taste of dashboard?) Never been in a car accident but I want it on when it happens. Never been car-jacked or strong-arm robbed, but want to be ready when it happens. Good chance it will. How do people not get it. In the forest, there is minimal cell sevice. Good luck if you need help. I like to have the upper hand I guess. I like to be a citizen. Those who are unarmed are subject to anyone else. In other words, those who are unnarmed are not citizens. They are subjects. Subject to a person with a weapon with a desire to take what they want, including your life. Government or criminal, if there is a difference.
We have been discussing this prior to our Idaho trip.
I carry everyday anyway, so I will have a hogleg handy. We are hunting quite a bit south of the Bitterroots, so we don't expect grizzly troubles. But everyone says that cow calling is bear and mountain lion calling, so I suppose we will see what happens. I have a tag for those, so they will get an arrow if they show up. Frankly, the handgun is for 2 legged predators more than anything else.
In OR it just became legal a few years ago when it was determined that the department of fish and wildlife was overstepping it's powers by banning the carry of handguns while bowhunting. I was carrying even when it was still "illegal" I figured my life was worth it and having been charged once by a highly irritated and large sow with cubs and ambushed by a cougar from behind I will always carry. The only reason I'm alive is because I was carrying when the cat tried to jump me. I missed the cat but the muzzle blast less than a foot from its head was enough to turn it. I've also been stalked by a cat and another bear which was confirmed by tracks on top of the ones I made walking in. Handguns and particulary hunting handguns are my business and I never leave home without at least one and normally more.
The only time I carried a handgun on a bow hunt was in Alaska on Jay Masseys Moose John float hunt for moose. Jay strongly suggested that we carry sidearms of at least .44 magnum and also a shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot. Jay himself carried a cut down 45-70 rifle. He also said the hand gun was a poor defense against Brown bears but it was better than nothing plus it could be used for signaling if you got separated.
I carried a Ruger .44mag on my side for the two weeks I was in the bush. I never had a need for it but none the less it was comforting to have it on you in bear country when your only other protection was a bow and arrow... :scared:
This is the list which I created, and which led me to decide on a good, reliable firearm:
Can haze a threatening bear and possibly stop a charge? Gun-yes. Spray-no.
Can wound or kill a bear? Gun-yes. Spray-no.
Can defend before bear is within 20'? Gun-yes. Spray-no.
Can use during the night in tent? Gun-yes. Spray-not advised.
Can reload after using? Gun-yes. Spray-no.
Can ignore wind direction when using? Gun-yes. Spray-no.
Can practice with it? Gun-yes. Spray-does anyone practice?
Can fly it on aircraft? Gun-yes. Spray-not advised.
Can survival hunt with it? Gun-yes. Spray-no.
Can signal for help with it? Gun-yes. Spray-no.
Can be used without much practice? Gun-no. Spray-yes.
Can be bought at destination? Gun-no. Spray-yes.
Can be used in residential areas? Gun-no. Spray-yes.
Costs much less to acquire? Gun-no. Spray-yes.
Relies on compressed air? Gun-no. Spray-yes.
There are other considerations of course. I also asked a good number of guys who've spent a lot of time in Alaska's backcountry what they prefer. The overwhelming choice was a good firearm.
Something to think about. If you were injured or otherwise forced to spend a few days in a survival situation in the backcountry; and if you had to immediately choose between a 12 oz can of pepper spray and a really good gun...which item would you choose?
Ron, That sounds like the same thing Jay told me,with one exception.
My only sidearm at the time was a Ruger .357
He offered that I should be sure to file the front sight off so it wouldn't hurt as bad when the grizz prodded me with it,if you know what I mean :scared:
Better than a sharp stick though.
CTT
In WV you need to have a CCW to carry while bow hunting. I have a CCW so I carry when I bow hunt. Dont have any four legged animals around here I am worried about, but I have heard of shady activity on the public lands. Just glad I have not stumbled upon any.
After many years in all phases of law enforcement, EVERYONE on this forum sure carry a gun at all times. I am not advising anyone to disregard the law, but, there are two legged predators in all aspects of life.There is no place truely "safe". without the means to protect yourself and your loved ones, then you are just victim waiting for your time.
I carried a 44 magnum for back-up while Brown bear hunting in Alaska. After seeing a couple of the bears close up I felt it was a little inadequate for stopping one at close range though. After a few days with my so called guide I had already planned on using it to slow him down in the event we were attacked anyway so I'm glad I had it with me.
My pistol was in my pack in the back of the truck the one time I really thought I needed it. That was when unknown to me my guide drove me to a crack house looking for his girlfriend. He announced where we were at as he pulled into the driveway and laid on the horn.
Here in Michigan they changed the law a few years back. It IS LEGAL to carry concealed (with permit) while bowhunting in Michigan. This was changed soon after the shooting of 8 Wisconsin hunters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang).
QuoteOriginally posted by Jack Shanks:
My pistol was in my pack in the back of the truck the one time I really thought I needed it. That was when unknown to me my guide drove me to a crack house looking for his girlfriend. He announced where we were at as he pulled into the driveway and laid on the horn.
Wow! :scared:
That's a special hunting memory!
F-Manny
I use to carry a short .44mag or.45colt, but switched to a mid sized .40 glock a few back because it's a little shorter, thinner and lighter. Down this way, I'm more concerned with two legged maggots waiting back at the truck than critters in the woods.
As I had said in my first post, during my Alaskan hunt I had my Rugar .44mag on my belt for the two weeks of the hunt and never had the need for it. The one time I was glad I had it was near the end of the hunt. My partner and I had come to the end of the "Moose John river" as Jay called it and started down the big river to our take out point at an Indian village where the bush pilot was to pick us up. We had stopped along the shore for lunch when a good size motorized boat came up the river and pulled in where we were. Three scroungy looking characters came ashore to "visit"?..If you've ever had an uncomfortable feeling around certain strangers then you'll know how I felt. During the somewhat strange conversation we found out that they weren't hunters and they had no fishing tackle.We were still over a days float from the nearest civilization and these people had no apparent reason to be on the river. To tell you the truth they made my hackles raise.
My partner had a Dan Wesson .44mag visible on his belt. My Ruger was in a cross draw holster on my side. These characters had no visible weapons but could well have had guns under their coats. We had a small cook fire going to heat our lunch and we were all kind of gathered around the fire. I made it a point to keep them in front of me and I never turned my back on them. I gave my partner a couple of looks trying to convey to him my mistrust of these people.
We were both wearing money belts with our personal papers, hunting license and a goodly amount of cash. Alaska is a really big country. In the coarse of our float hunt we had covered over 100 miles of wilderness so it would be easy for a couple of hunters like us with our gear and rubber rafts to just disappear.
Like I said, during their "visit", the conversation with our guest was a strange one. It wasn't the friendly kind of meeting you might expect in a situation like this. They may have sensed our uneasiness and the fact that we were armed and gave no opportunity, at any rate when they climbed back into their boat and shoved off I breathed a sigh of relief. Were they scoundrels?...I don't know, but by being armed and ready we'll never really know for sure... :dunno:
I don't like feeling like prey.
I don't like hoping for mercy from a bad guy.
I am female and hunt alone.
I hate it when people insist that I justify self empowerment that they have decided to disdain. I do not insist that they follow my example. I respect their decision, even if they don't respect mine.
"I have a Tooth!" ~Mowgli
Killdeer
Humm... you think a few more NM folks would chime in... But a few seasons ago I was fall turkey hunting at my turkey hunting meadow. This meadow is a few mile hike from where I park my truck. I got up there about 4am so that I had time to get up there before the sun rose. As soon as I got there there was no moon and it was the darkest I had ever seen. I started my climb up the thick valley and with my surefire flashlight and my bow. About a mile in I spooked 2 deer that I believe were bedded under a tree... I had not seen them until they in a panic arose and started to stir. In a non graceful fashion I droped my bow and dove into the closest tree in fear of being trampled... At that moment I learned how close you could get to an animal without knowing...Thankful it was only dear, if that were a bear or a cat I could of easily had a nice paw print across my face...There are some areas national monuments, Sandia Mtns and such that do not allow firearms and I respect those rules, but when ever I go into the wild by myself to hunt I carry some kind of sidearm...
QuoteNow Shere Kahn, I have a tooth too....Mowgli
"It's not nice to bring a gun to a knife fight"
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Down eher where I hunt I seldom see anyone in the woods but as happened with Mr. Ron I have had some uneasy feelings at camp.
I was camped at a WMA once that was close to an interstate. There was more traffic on the dead end road we were camped on than on the public roads around my house. It was bad enough I only stayed one night but I assure you that busting into my tent would have been a mistake at night.RC
Not legal in CT to carry ANY firearm while BOW Hunting. I can carry my sidearm while gun hunting, on private property. CT is an open carry state....as long as it can't be seen. :banghead:
any of you remember the woman that was bowhunting in Idaho and had to shoot a wolf in self defense with the 44 she carried on her hip?
Dont go no where without one.........specially out hunting in remote places.
Out here in southern Arizona it's the wild west
part two.if your out in the sticks with only a handgun you might find yourself undergunned quick..
here if your a hunter..you still might be the prey..ive been hunting and stumbled on smugglers who have nothing to lose by killing you,,and in the same day..and a canyon over, come across a group of college kids from the University of AZ
doing a raptor count..
as a ASU alumni im not sure which group was worse.
Cochise
QuoteOriginally posted by wingnut:
My question is why do you think you need one?
Better to have a gun and not need it then to need a gun and not have it.
Something my dad always said to me,
another rule I live by is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6!
I have a good friend that was stalked by a mountain lion out west while he was elk hunting. He was on his way back to camp in failing light and had the distinct feeling that he was beeing watched. All he could think about was fighting a big cat with a sharp stick in the dark. Needless to say he always has pistol with him now.
It is good advice to always take care of yourself. After all, no one is responsible for your safety but you!
The pic of that bow shows why we all should be allowed to carry a handgun while hunting.
I have heard of a lot of people stalked by couger, not many attacked by them... but I have heard of a lot of people that surprised a bear and were mauled or killed by them. Not that couger aren't scarey, but in Washington Black Bears are a real issue.
One of my fanny pack hog trackin' set ups...Ruger .357 SP 101 & a little sharp thing. For tracking wounded hogs at night, I like an extra friend with me...tippit
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I carry a compact 1911 .45 concealed wherever it is legal to do so, and as previoulsy stated, it is legal while bowhunting in Michigan. I'm also a NRA firearms instructor and I teach the class that is necessary for someone to apply for a Michigan CPL. I get a lot of satisfaction being part of the process that enables more people to take advantage of their right to carry.
A cougar story is on this thread, "A story of survival"
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=119970
This link is a useful resource for those of you with concealed weapon permits:
http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
In California it is illegal to carry a firearm during an achery season or during a general season while hunting with an Archery Only tag.
Everything is illegal in CA, my sister is a cop in San Jose and supports gun registration and one time when she was up visiting I got lectured on how the 6" hunting knife on my dashboard would be illegal. She's a borderlin pinko-commie.
As far as cougar attacks I have a couple of stories. As most OR hunters can tell you, ever since they stopped the use of dogs and bait for cats and bears, things have got out of hand. The ODFW is killing nuisance bears at an alarming rate and the dept of Ag is shooting alot of cats. I've personally talked to three other people who've had run ins with cats. All three were bowhunters and both had to kill the cat at a matter of feet with their bows and the one I saw the X Rays from the federal wildlife forensic lab in Ashland which is the foremost in the country. The arrow penetrated the skull and went directly down the spinal canal through the middle of the vertebrae killing the cat instantly. The other was a 13yr old boy, I gave him and his father a ride off the mountain to get help with their truck that wouldn't start. They were spring turkey hunting and I ran into them while bear hunting. The kid had been laying on the ground with his bow watching a meadow when a cat appeared directly in front of him. He was camo'd very well and the cat watched for a few moments and then dissapeared. I think the cat couldn't make him out and probably left because of the human scent. I give alot of credit to the little guy for staying calm and not running although he told me he was scared to death and shaking like a leaf. Had he run it probably would have triggered the cats instincts to kill.
I've had two close calls with cats myself. The first time was in the spring and I was on top of Mt Ashland on the OR/CA border glassing for cats and bears when a thunder storm came in. I was above tree line and decided to get out of there. I was half way off the mtn when a cat walked out in front of me and out of the two dozen cats I've seen in the wild this was the biggest, a big tom that easily went 200+. I was so rattled when I got out of the rig I forgot to put it in park and the rig took off down the road and rather than shoot I watched my rig come to a stop unhurt in a bar ditch. When I looked back up the cat was still there sitting on a rock on the side of the road. When I raised my gun he jumped but not panicked. I followed him up the hill which was all scrub oak and was still covered with leaves from the previous fall which made it like walking in corn flakes. I stopped to listen and I could hear the cat working his way back around behind me. I decided the smartest option was to retreat as I could hear him but the brush was thick and I couldn't see him.
The closest encounter I had was in a farmers field bordering a river. I spotted the cat from the road a couple hundred yards out bedded in the middle of a hay field. I went and got permission to hunt the cat from the owner and when he found out all I had was a revolver (6" custom Ruger in 475 Linebaugh) he offered me the use of his rifle. I knew I was in trouble when I saw it. The gun was a semi auto Rem in 06, the ammo was green and mag so rusted I had to pound it in and the scope was an antique. Never the less I took a rest on a fence pole and shot. The cat ran but I'd seen dust fly from behind the cat but I wasn't sure if I'd hit it or shot just over him. I gave the farmer back his rifle and went in search of sign with my revolver. I couldn't find blood where he'd been laying so I walked toward the river where it had gone which was lined with 6' tall blackberry bushes. I was parralelling the berry's and checking all the game trails for blood. As I passed on of these trails the hair went up on my neck at the same time I heard the obvious growl of a cat. It seemed like it took forever to draw my gun and turn and fire but I know it was a fraction of a second. I was half turned and threw the gun around my side and touched it off the cat was just starting to jump at me when the gun went off. The shot missed it's head by inches but the muzzle blast of the big bore turned the cat. That cat had deliberately hid in the bushes and was waiting for me and in true cat fashion was going to hit me from behind. Had I not had the revolver I'd been hurting unit. The initial shot was 180yds and must have been high because I never found any blood. The first cat that watched me and my rig going into the ditch was only 20yds when I checked the distance although I'd swore it was three times that. That cat had lost it's fear of humans. There are alot more close calls than most people realize and all the cats I've mentioned seeing have been in since 98 and I know it's because of the loss of fear from the stoppage of hound hunting and our pursuit season. From what I've seen and talking to wildlife biologist if your in state where hunting pressure is light or non existant on the cats and especially if dogs are not allowed your chance of a run in are much higher.
My Beretta PX4 Storm in .45acp is fitted with a green lazer/light. It's a good companion piece to have on your side when you're in the dark woods with only your bow. Boogie men? :bigsmyl:
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I am somewhat dated, but the last time I hunted New Mexico, our Outfitter recommended we carry a handgun. We were very close to the border, and the problem was two legged varments. We didn'tsee anyone who was not armed during that trip.
DB
QuoteOriginally posted by tippit:
One of my fanny pack hog trackin' set ups...Ruger .357 SP 101 & a little sharp thing. For tracking wounded hogs at night, I like an extra friend with me...tippit
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That's a hoot! I had to laugh when I saw this. I have an almost identical duo in my walk-about belt pack... minus the pretty grips. :cool:
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It's legal to carry concealed in Texas during archery season as long as one has a concealed handgun license (CHL). Hasn't been that way for too many years.
I carry mostly for two-legged critters. Where I hunt is ranch land, some of it fenced, some not, with old pump jack locations scattered all over the property. When one finds evidence of meth labs and such around, it pays to be covered. People also like to have late night gatherings on some of those locations.
I've came across some people I'm sure were in the process of poaching and thankfully they boogied. I won't confront them when out by myself but I will protect myself. My .45 is a lot closer than the sheriff or game warden.
It don't hurt my feelings to have some backup when pig huntin' either. At least maybe somebody would here the noise and come find the pieces.
Be careful, be legal and cover your tail!!!
Dang Ron, I woulda figured you'd carry a Howdah! :biglaugh:
QuoteDang Ron, I woulda figured you'd carry a Howdah!
I didn't say I carried the Beretta when I was hunting I said it would make a good companion to have in the woods.
I'd rather carry this, my original .69cal Howdah, with buckshot in one barrel and a .69 round ball in the other.. :D
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Yow!
Makes my .45 Bisley cringe!
Killdeer
I've looked it up for Louisiana before. Walked up on a group of about 20 hogs one morning before daylight with only my bow and all of my arrows in the quiver. I ended up in a tree. In Louisiana you can only carry a .22 cal pistol with rat shot. Not much good on a hog. Bow season stays open all the way through firearm season here, so once the firearm season opens, you can carry anything you want along with your bow.
QuoteYow! Makes my .45 Bisley cringe! Killdeer
Killy, somehow I knew you wouldn't be a .22 or .32 caliber gal.... :rolleyes:
That 69 cal. speaks authority. It's big enough to use as a club.
You can carry in Maine during archery season (this is the part I do nor agree with) if you purchase a firearms hunting license. But you can not finish the animal off with the firearm.
Whenever I get bummed out by some of the silliness surrounding guns around here (Montana).....I just try to find a discussion online like this one. I feel real bad for some of you, many of us are closer to serfdom than we realize. You not only can carry a handgun during bow season here, it can be concealed if you're outside the confines of an incorporated city, or mining/logging camp. BTW, I don't carry mine for concerns generated by four legged animals (although we don't have hogs....yet).
Ron, you can never have too many .22s. There is usually a Walther TPH in my cargo pocket.
Killdeer ;)
My Wife has a Walther Killdeer and shoots it every week for fun. she recently took over my Browning Buckmark. RC
I don't use my revolver for hunting as I Only hunt with my longbow or for two legged creatures. It is in my fanny pack to back up my longbow for tracking wounded Hogs. Especially ones like this as I'm Not as nimble as in my younger days! tippit
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QuoteRon, you can never have too many .22s. There is usually a Walther TPH in my cargo pocket. Killdeer ;)
If all you've got is a .22 you'd better have a BIG knife on you for back up.
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Thank you to EVERYBODY who carries a gun....I believe it creates a moment of doubt in the minds of those who would do harm...who is...who aint... :campfire:
In PA you can not hunt with an semiauto handgun, and may only carry one if you have a concealed carry permit (easy and inexpensive to obtain unless you are a felon). You may hunt with a revolver, depending on what county you are in. Anyway, I usually carry a pocket pistol (I have a permit) in case there's a lunatic out in the woods!
An armed society is a polite society. There are sheep in our society, and there are sheepdogs, watching over the flocks. My career was that of a sheepdog, and being armed came with the territory. I would much rather be a sheepdog than a sheep, being harassed and/or eaten by the wolves of our society.
Sounds like nutnfancy's sheepdog concept taken from another guy's book
I' glad to see others have read/seen/heard Col. Grossman's work....17 years as a sheepdog (not counting 5 in the Army), and I've never felt someone's thinking as clear and true as the Colonel's.
QuoteOriginally posted by Kevin Dill:
This is the list which I created, and which led me to decide on a good, reliable firearm:
Can use during the night in tent? Gun-yes. Spray-not advised.
That visual cracked me up.
Most states that allow concealed carry changed their laws to allow licensed owners to carry a handgun during archery season several years ago. However, it always pays to check your local regulations and get it in writing.
I have carried a handgun several times when trailing wounded boars in thick cover and also on a property that had a large and agressive pack of feral dogs.
More often the thought of carrying a handgun is based on personal protection in the original sense of the phrase.
As someone said above, you can carry in PA if you have a concealed carry permit, but you can't hunt with a handgun during bow season. Normally not a big deal, but it does raise the question of whether, given that a game warden can't tell whether the arrow or the bullet went in first, whether you can dispatch a wounded animal with your handgun. As I read PA law, the answer is no, unless of course, you're dealing with a bear or other animal that is in the process of trying to turn you into compost. In any case, I almost always carry when bow hunting. I like the Taurus Judge because you can load two .410 shotshells for snakes in warm weather and 3 .45 Long Colts for the two legged snakes.
With Buffalo Bore ammo you can raise the performance of your handgun by a full caliber. My .357mag with a 180gr LFN bullet @1400fps is very close to what you get with a .41mag...PR
Glock 22c in 40 cal.
winchester +p+ ranger in my glocks in 9mm
We can carry here while bowhunting.The only time I don't is when hunting antelope out of a blind.What I carry,depends where I'm going.I fixed up this little Ruger .45 Colt just for protection in the mountains.Relatively light at slightly over 2 lbs but not too light to shoot heavy loads with 300 and 335 gr slugs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by JimB:
We can carry here while bowhunting.The only time I don't is when hunting antelope out of a blind.What I carry,depends where I'm going.I fixed up this little Ruger .45 Colt just for protection in the mountains.Relatively light at slightly over 2 lbs but not too light to shoot heavy loads with 300 and 335 gr slugs.
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love that grip
Jim, who did the work for you? I recognize the Alpha Precision front sight and the S&W rear sight milled into the Vaquero backstrap and the milled gate but I haven't seen anyone lighten the hammer in that way and I like the scrimshawed grips. He did the same thing with the front blade that I do for my customers on the Precision sights. It also looks like you have the Aluminum grip frame. I had a Vaquero I built for myself but sold in the same rough barrel length, 3.5" in 500 Linebaugh except with a Bisley grip and my 3 Screw 44spcl conversion I carry is probably about the same in weight. Very nice gun!
Jim Stroh did the sights and bead blasting.I did everything else including action job and free wheeled it,plus built the grips and scrimshawed them.The micarta grips are even hollowed out to a thickness of 1/8".All chamfering etc was done freehand with a Dremel.The other panel has a moose scene.It rides in a full coverage holster made of cape buffalo leather.
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Please let me know where you purchased the 45 colt cartridge carrier. I too carry a Vaquero. A lot. All the time in the woods. I'd like a belt slide cartridge carrier like that one. Very nicely done!
Homemade but I'm sure someone makes them.
Jim, you did a nice job on that gun, that's one to be proud of.
Beautiful.45, stunning work and a great all round caliber for numerous outdoor uses. Plus, it has the added benefit of being "traditional".
I'm jealous !!! I work in Fish/wildlife enforcement and I can't even legally carry a sidearm when i'm off duty..... I wish!!
I'll have to settle for me Rem 870 with Dlask 8.5 inch barrel.......
Still not as handy as a good 45.
When I carry it's either the top S&W Model 610 10mm revolver, or the bottom Ruger BlackHawk .45LC. Most of the time it's the .45LC with wheel weight hand loads. The 6" barrel on my 10mm gets in my way sitting on stand. .45LC barrel is 4-5/8". Both are heavy on the hip..that's why I don't carry much anymore.
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I sometimes carry my S&W Airweight 38, at 15oz. you hardly know it's there. But it is just in case I would happen to encounter a bad situation with a tweaked out meth head. That's really all we have to watch out for in the Missouri woods.
Always good to have a last resort if worst comes to worst!
Up here we can't carry during archery only, I don't worry about it much but then we don't have some of the critters up here that the rest of you do!
Glock 20 sf. I like the 10mm round and went to the sf frame to accomodate my small hands.
I've had this for almost 30 years to the day. Generally only carry it bowhunting if I'll be near a salmon stream coming our going, or if I'm returning to a carcass to get another load of meat. I have it in a lefty holster but I can shoot it well with either hand. Ruger .41 mag, usually shoot Sierra 220gr full profile jackets (FPJ) but my supply is about out and they don't make them anymore. Would really like a Freedom Arms in .454 but for now would rather have the $1,200+ bucks somewhere else in my life and this on my hip.
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Another vote for the sp101. That's what I carry in case I have to deal with any "undesirables" here in PA. Thats how we roll on the southern end of Lanc. county. Always better to have one and not need it.......
This. Wilson Combat Sentinel in 45.
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It is legal here in Colorado.