I have been struggling with target panic for ever. but I found my cure. When I have a clicker on my bow I get to full draw, I aim and release without snap shooting or all the other fun things that seems to go wrong without the clicker.
The problem is:
Should I care that other people keep making negative comments about me using a clicker? it has gotten to the point that I took the clicker off and after about a week or two I am back to having all my classic problems. I thinking I need to put the clicker back on my bow, but I just get so tired of hearing crap from my fellow trad shooters. because some how I am less tradition. :banghead:
well thanks for reading, just wanted to get that off my chest. :campfire:
I think you know the answer already. Use the clicker as long as you need it. If that means forever...whatever.
Stephen, i understand exactly what you are going through. When my TP started i also tried a clicker and got the comments or looks!
One shouldnt let others opinions sway them but it does!!! If the clicker works for you then use it and to heck with them!!
Also sending you a pm
Hang in there!
Lance
Just make your skin a little thicker,if it works for you and enables you to shoot better and enjoy it,DO NOT WORRY WHAT OTHERS THINK !In all honesty clickers were quite common years ago.Do your own thing and enjoy it my friend.
I wouldn't worry about what others say. If using a tool helps you shoot better then go for it. I've known several folks who have used clickers and didn't care one way or the other.
I live by this rule "if I don't sleep with them and they don't sign my check, then it doesn't matter what they think"
Do what works for toyota say.
Nick
I never gave you any crap shooting at Tom's..yet :saywhat: I say do whatever works for you and ignore everybody else.
Nick
We were at th High Country shoot and a guy joined up with us that had one on his bow...I didn't necessarily think bad about him for it, but I will be honest I did wonder about it a little, and personally had reservations........that is until I saw him shoot.
He shot his bow very well! I asked him bout the clicker, and he said it made all the difference in the world for him...and it showed. .No more reservations for me.
We all want and should try to be as accurate as possible with our choice of weapon...if a clicker is what it takes, hold your head up high, especially when your arrow sails again and again to the vitals of your quarry. No tradition loss there IMO.
Don't worry about what others say, block them out of your mind, more than likely they will battle with tp sooner or later and when it hits them they might ask you how to overcome it. I just sent a free cd the push release to another tradganger. We should all promote archery and help each other any way we can.
I agree with everyone.. If the clicker makes you shoot better then use it..
I went through target panic one year and dang near gave up. I put it down and didnt hunt anymore that year. That really sucked and almost went to compound. The next year I came back and fought it again. Finally killed a deer by shear luck after about 20 missed shots. Dont let people get you down man. You wont have to use it for ever. Do what makes you a better shot and ignore the BS. My buddies bought run me into the ground over it. Since then Ive kille two pope n young bucks. Good luck buddy.
Click away.No one should care.You might be getting ribbed a little bit.But thats human nature to a degree.If you shoot better and complete your shooting sequence better with a clicker,have at it.Enjoy yourself,enjoy your shooting and enjoy hitting the mark.
I have this theory about people who need to mock others when they use a tool to become a better shooter. Since it is unkind and includes references to stupidity and small body parts I will not repeat it here.
Ignore the ribbing and do what it takes to shoot well.
What ever works for you is ok with me,if it improves your shooting more power to ya.
Agree on the above...to each his own and piss on the negative people. You can look at it as an ethical choice as well if it makes you a better shot...means more effectively placed arrows on your game. I just read and commented on a similiar question over at Mike Hanback's blog...we quibble with each other over the little things so much that it can eventually be our demise. I think you'll see here the support you have. Don't let the bad eggs ruin the whole carton, do what works for you.
Use what works for you!!
If someone didn't like your wife's hair, would you divorce her?
I've been there with target panic and won't judge what others do to help work it out. The people making negative comments should fight TP for a while, they would sing a new song.
I've been shooting with a clicker for 20 years now. It's just how I soot. For me, it works pretty darn good! :cool:
If someone pokes fun at mine while we are at a shoot, I tell 'em "it's all fun and games until we turn the score cards in"! :biglaugh:
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Don't sweat it, do what's right for you :thumbsup:
In most cases Olympic recurve shooters consider the clicker as integral to their bow as their arrow rest, whether they "need it" or not.
I'm glad you found something to work for you.
Bowhunters, especially recurve, longbow, and selfbow shooters are among the most independent of all hunters. So, you can be even more independent if it suits your personal need.
I've run into bowhunters who raise eyebrows when they hear I shoot Does or that I will pass up bucks they would have shot. We all know folks who have received grief for shooting forkies and basket-racks.
Someone who would give you grief over shooting a clicker have either:
1. never had a bout with TP
2. have no idea how effective a clicker can be
3. have TP but would rather struggle, miss, and wound than fix it.
I would use a clicker in a heartbeat if I ever needed it.
I prefer your kind.
Peoples comments are nothing more than their opinions to me,and we all know what opinions are like. Smile at them, when they make their comments, it make them wonder what your up to!
There is only one right answer!!!USE THE CLICKER
I use one and do not feel bad about it at all--and yes, I know the comments I've had sent my direction. Never let people of small minds disturb you! That clicker does not give us an advantage--it only gets us somewhere close to where others are who don't have TP. Even then we may still feel those urges to let go too soon that we have to control. Enjoy your shooting!
I use a clicker when I need to use one and lean on it when I'm mentally struggling with reaching full draw. There are times I don't use one as well when I feel more in control of my shot sequence.
The animals I've killed over the past few years have been about split between clicker on or off the bow, and none of them really seemed to care! The picture in my avatar is with a clicker...if you look closely the bear has a look of disgust on his face cause he was shot by a guy with TP.
Good luck with your decision and with your TP. If you really cared about what people thought and results you'd likely be shooting a wheelie bow. You don't know it but are mentally stronger than you think just by taking on the challenge of Trad archery. Click away....Ryan
Lots of folks use clickers and even more SHOULD. If you develop a problem such as yours (I use a clicker for the same reason), that is almost the ONLY way you will overcome it. Forget abot what others say. They have no clue.
Someone smarter than me needs to develop a soundless clicker. . ie one that lights a small LED or uses some of that special 3D material to change colors at different angles(red to green maybe?), so we can stop worrying about spooking the critter.
All the clicker is doing is taking the decision to release away from your brain and giving it a stimulus marker as to when to release.
Xia. . for hunting, using broadheads, if you take your time and determine the exact length arrow you need, using your broadhead against your finger as a switch works pretty well too. Fred Bear said he did that.
ChuckC
Xia: I've been struggling with TP for about 20 years now. Tried a clicker for the first time at the end of last fall. Don't know yet if it's going to solve my problem(s), but looks promising so far. If it works, I'll use it. If your friends are offering disparaging remarks, you might consider looking for a few new friends. ;)
Most people dont realize what a valuable tool a clicker is. I have used one on and off for quite a few years and can tell you that most traditional shooters would be much more accurate if they would at least learn to shoot with a clicker.
I was struggling for years with Target panic I took a shooting lesson from Mike Fedora out at his place last summer ( late August) NOT intending to have any influence in target panic , but with some other ideas of shooting form . MIKE cured me of target panic that after noon after years of trying one method after another .
I do not have it any more! Hard to explain how Mike did it but that's why he is MIKE and teaches and I don't LOL!!!
It is a HIGHLY recommended method if you can schedule an appt. for a lesson with Mike
He is a great instructor and know his business .
Why should you feel bad? If they can't deal with it, pizz on 'em...then go out shoot them.
Like my dad told me, "Tell 'em to hang it on their beak!"
-Jeremy :coffee:
Hey, not to bust on ya but we all learned about this in frist grade.dont pay them any mind.If they are gettin on your nerves that bad shoot with some one els.or tell them to BACK OFF I am sure you are like the rest of us an just want to have fun so have fun.put the clicked on.good luck
you should feel terrible. You should feel bad for using a tab or glove and wearing an armguard, too. You should also feel bad for wearing shoes, those things are for p***ies. Silverware is also for p***ies as is cooked meat.
Sarcasm aside, just about everything we use makes things "easier" for us, so don't worry about the clicker. Just keep using it and when you outshoot the critics they'll shut up.
I have had TP for 15 years. I tried a clicker once but didn't stick with it as the cord kept snagging on brush while hunting. There are other ways to beat target panic that accomplish the same thing as a clicker but are not noticeable to someone watching you shoot. I am using them and shooting without tp today. Check out the thread "Target Panic Reality Check" in the shooters forum or watch Joel Turner's segment on Masters of the Barebow 4 for details.
I think you shouldn't be hanging around other trad guys that belittle you. I've said it before and I'll say it again, what's "trad" and what isn't is really up to a broad interpretation
You absolutely should use what works best for you! We're hopefully not in this sport to impress others.
By the way MANITOBA I did notice the look us disgust on that bear in your avatar.
Wonderful comments folks!
Bernie Bjorklund
NC Iowa/SW Wisconsin
My opinion is you are shooting with immature jerks. Our group that shoots on Sundays (which includes Plumber above) has fun shooting together and we stick the needle in on each other plenty but if one of us is having a problem we don't belittle him, we try to help. That's what mature friends do.
More trad shooters should use them.
Over the years, I've noticed that the guys who belittle others for their shooting style or equipment usually can't hit a wall tent from the inside.
screw em.
Do what works.
heck, with those kind of people, if you start shooting better than them they'll get one too.
I've been looking into putting one on a bow. Can You show a picture of which one Your using?
Thanks, bretto
sounds like you need to get some new friends, we should build each other up not tear each other down, just my two cents
If it works for you then who cares what someone else says, they are only words filled with hot air.
Thanks everyone. I have quite trad archery a few time and always made some reason up and I just don't want to give this up!! I enjoy it too much. I just remember that their is just no room for fun haters.
Hell it got so bad in the past that I could not even draw my bow on a deer walking by at 5 yards. I would just stand their frozen.
Since I have had a clicker on my bow I feel like I just am able to focus on a point and all of my worries fade away and the arrow goes where I want it.
Well I will be putting it back, and I will just remember that I would rather be shooting then giving up again.
You will probably notice that if you close your eyes, look at something else, watch the tip of your arrow instead of your target, anything else but the target. . there is no TP.
It is typically the combination of you being locked on target, pulling back, and your mind tells you to release. And it also has very little to do with bow weight, in spite of what you hear.
It isn't easy and it takes a long time of rigid practice to get past it if you really had it ingrained. But.... you can do it, generally with help.
ChuckC
I could care less what others think. If it helps you then use it.
There are many people out there that should have never been encouraged to talk by their parents.
I like the Cheezit commercials showing a maturing wheel of cheese that cannot be used until it's fully mature. Sometimes I think people should have to take a maturity test before being taught to speak.
Your friends are probably not trying to make you feel bad they are just insensitive about a problem they don't understand.
I liked a line from one of the previous posters, you ain't sleeping with these guys and they ain't signing your paycheck. Let their uneducated remarks flow like water off a ducks back.
Whatever you need to do to shoot your best, DO IT!!!!!!! I would wear two left shoes if it would help me shoot. Good luck and good shooting.
If it works use it.
Would you rather shoot like crap without the clicker or shoot good with it? That is the question.
Guys like that will always find something.
Having struggled mightily with TP for more years that I want to count, I say do what is best for you.
I have my TP under control by way of sheer stubbornness but I have messed with a clicker a bit and think it is a great tool
There are a lot of USELESS opinions out there. Do what YOU want. The hell with loudmouths.
since when is a clicker not traditional...those thinks have been around a long time...if it was around in the 60's...its traditional...
Pay no heed. I don't use one but don't think that anyone should care, anything that helps someone reach their accuracy potential.
When things get a little "loose" in my shooting, I always put a clicker on and the positive results are immediate. I'm about to start shooting my heavy bow getting ready for a Cape Buffalo hunt in September and I'll probably just start out with a clicker on the bow so I don't develop too many bad habits. Use what you want, especially if it helps your shooting and your enjoyment of the sport.
Folks who might give you a bad time are actually insecure about themselves and use others to deflect their own problems and issues.
If it works and does not bother you to heck with them.Life is too short not to enjoy what you want to do.
When I was just starting out and learning to shoot I had this guy always hounding me while I shot! I was the new guy! He thought it was really funny blowing in my ear while I shot! I missed a lot because of it! I made a decision to become a better shot NO MATTER WHAT! I used a clicker and it worked for part of my problems. But to take your shooting to the next level, to the level everyone wants, you must become metally tough. I know it is supposeed to be fun, and we sometimes turn the fun into a an obsession. But realized I had to do these few things:
Be honest with yourself! Be willing to work hard and DON'T BE AFRAID TO MISS! You'll learn something from missing!
Have a 1-2-3 step routine!
While aiming block everything out!
And use that guy that bothers you the most as a way to get LEVERAGE on yourself!
When they realize that they don't get to you anymore, they fade away!
Good luck, get after it!
Steve, make yourself happy with your shooting Forget about others. You do know, if you were still here, I would have a comment, but would encourage you to use it. Until you beat me regularly, then I would pour it on
Skip. Sure that Todd would concur with my path
I agree that you should use the clicker. However, I have noticed that some of the shoots I have been to do not allow any shooting aids on a bow whatsoever, including the clicker.
If it works for you... It's great! Just "muffle" it when you hunt to lessen the "CLICK". There was an article in TBM (I think by Mr. Jason Westbrook if my poor memory is correct)about a 2 years ago dealing with clickers and "silencing" them.
Use what ever works for you, and don't worry about what other people think or say about your equipment :readit:
What is making you feel bad about using the clicker? is it because they feel it's not as traditional?? i think guys need to get over this... thats not traditional if you dont use this or that mentality. Dude you shoot your bow for you rite? not them... You are your own... do whats best for you.
You don't feel bad about your clicker and I won't feel bad about the heritage 250 carbon arrows I am shooting.
The way I see it when it comes to hunting with a bow there are only two things that really have a care, me and the animal I'm about to shoot. The rest? they don't have much of a say.
Shoot what ever makes you shoot the best.For some its a longbow for others its a metal riser recurve and for others even a release on there traditional bow.Next time you are at a big traditional shoot watch the people shooting on the line there are target panic problems for many.I think if more people that suffer with short drawing would try a clicker they would never shoot with out one.