I read on a different site that Fred killed his buffalo with the some poundage bow he always shoots....54#'s and nobody disputed it. That would make the old saying "accuracy is more important than poundage" so much more true!
If someone know this to be true or false chime in. :campfire:
I will contact Fred or Michelle (Laura's working on Fred's website) and I will get it right form the horses mouth.
Just so I get it right, what bufflo are you referring to. I'll try to get all the info....arrow weight, two or four blades, etc.
Asiatic buffalo
Seen the video on sportsman channel.Fred said after he shot it.54# buffalo bow and 2 blade muzzy phantom easton axis arrows.Not sure total weight of arrow.But that was a huge buffalo and he got good penetration.
I've never met him, yet, but he looks like a pretty good sized ole boy on TV and I bet he's got a pretty long stroke, bow might be measured at 54#, but if he's got a 30"draw, would be more like 60#+ and draw length trumps draw weight. JMO
David... Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I've read Fred shoots #54 at his draw.
I am pretty sure that Fred shoots 54# at his draw lenghth. I remember that from an article he wrote in TBM I believe. He did have a long stroke though, 30 or 31 in, so he would be producing a little more energy than 54# @ 28.
Fred shoots around 54#'s at his draw length but I am almost positive he went up in weight for the buffalo ( somehow I remember around 65Lbs ) and also used the easton arrows made especially for big heavy game. At least that was for his first buffalo. I remeber him telling me how tough they were. Now maybe on another one he tried the lighter weight limbs.
He's a long draw guy... just over 31" I think he said. Someone drawing 28" would need to be shooting 70lbs to get the same performance he gets from 54..
On the DVD that came with the buffalo, the limbs he had were marked for 48lbs. If he's drawing 31", that would make sense with the limbs stacking 2#/inch.
Everything I've read is he's shooting 54lbs at his draw length and full length Easton Axis 400's.
I attended one of his seminars recently and am pretty certain he mentioned he has a 31" draw length. He is a lot bigger guy in person than he appears on TV.
Fred does draw 54# at about 30in on his bows and used that poundage on his water buffalo shooting a heavier then normal full metal jacket dangerous game arrow with our "then" prototype 150gr Signature head. Penetration was not a problem on that buffalo.
His long draw develops alot of energy compared to a shorter draw shooter and gives him the necessary punch he needs even though he is only shooting 54#.
"heavier then normal full metal jacket".... i'm guessing he was useing weight tubes or something like that. very intresting stuff. this really has me reviewing my setup since, i just shoot deer and pigs. :campfire:
Michelle got back to me but is not sure about the set up. Fred is in Canada and I'll be hearing back when he gets back in touch with her. But, Mark Land works for Michelle and I would take his word to the bank.
I, too, remember reading the article by Fred and he stated that the bow was 54 pounds at his draw. He said it is the poundage that he has used for years.
Fred's bow is 54# at his draw. The only animals he used a different weight was his polar bear and possibly his coastal brown. Those animals he had limbs that were 57# at his draw.
He used the heavier inserts in those arrows to get the total arrow weight and more FOC on the arrow.
Yes I talk with Fred alot and am pretty sure on his setup.
The longer draw is where he is getting more performace out of his bow. He and I shoot about the same arrow weight and same 54# draw weight on our Buffalo bows but I have a 27in draw and he draw at least 30. I am shooting about 180 on my setup and he shoots around 200!
Good stuff Mark!
I seen it great hunt! 54lbs would get the job done I think. I seen Tim Wells SPEAR a water buffalo down unda. He was dang close it seems to me with a heavy arrow and broadheads at that range you could get the job done.
Fred said he draws ~31" on MBB II.
54 # is what I saw!!!!!!!!!!!!!mark
If 54# then he probably is using the 50# limbs drawn past 28". The next limb weights are 55# but his draw in longer than 28" according to those who know him.
30 or 31in it's all relative, but I have seen him shoot and have shot with him numerous times and he normally uses 31in arrows and I am pretty sure he is actually drawing about 30in on his bows. But either way, he has a longer draw then normal and gets more energy from that.
I would just about guarantee he is using the 50# limbs on his bows and just adjusts the limb bolts to get 54# at his draw.
Ok fellas... I just found his 2 Austrailian episodes..... During the "better bow hunting with Chuck Adams" segment Fred states that he is shooting a heavier recurve then he normally does and a heavier arrower then he does normally. I'd still like to know what his true setup was.
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Somebody call him and get him to answer. I think he's a member here.
I lost his number ;) or I'd do it.
Charlie maybe you could look through your rolodex. :laughing:
Just measured one of his Axis FMJ 400 from awhile back and it's 30 1/2"
Fred Eichler is a member here? I would love to somehow see if I could get an autographed pic for my 15 year old son. My son loves everything about Fred Eichler. He even has a list together so he can save up to shoot the exact setup that Fred shoots....
He may still be a member here but his last post was 4 years ago. :readit:
On "masters of the barebow 2" Fred says that he shoots 54# on everything in north America. He feels it's the perfect bow weight for him as he can hold it for a period of time if necessary. He was also shooting Easton 400 Axis shafts and muzzy phantoms...(gee, go figure that one). Of course at that time he was also shooting a Palmer takedown recurve.
Last post 4 years ago? Tradganger? Come on Fred! Pipe up here, you don't have that many tags in your pocket. :campfire: