What would my fellow stickbow men recommend for the optimumal arrow for mature Russian Boar?
i'll be watchin this one :campfire:
I use the same ones i use for deer. Of course, a little more weight and foc couldnt hurt
A well placed one! :laughing:
3:1 ratio BH/sharp, as much bow as you can shoot accurate, 9-12 grains per pound.
Some info on your bow would help bud....
75/80 Surewood tapered shaft with an Abowyer Brown Bear, or when I am feeling more frugal, STOS 160 gn. and 3x5" shields, nat turkey with a white cock.
No complaints so far.
Bjorn
Quote75/80 Surewood tapered shaft with an Abowyer Brown Bear, or when I am feeling more frugal, STOS 160 gn. and 3x5" shields, nat turkey with a white cock.
Nice, thats pretty much what im going to be using except im trying out the ACE Express 165gr. anybody seen those?
This should get ya started....
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Yeah...bow weight might help a bit...along with draw length.
I would like to know if my short recurve set up would be adequate for hogs. Kodiak Mag, 45#, 28" draw length. I plan on using 29", 50-55# POC arrows with 130gr. 2 blade heads. Total arrow weight 550gr.
I'm just worried about the light draw weight.
QuoteOriginally posted by Ga.boy:
I would like to know if my short recurve set up would be adequate for hogs. Kodiak Mag, 45#, 28" draw length. I plan on using 29", 50-55# POC arrows with 130gr. 2 blade heads. Total arrow weight 550gr.
I'm just worried about the light draw weight.
That set-up won't be any problem on smaller pigs...say 120# and under. Bigger pigs could create a problem for you if you don't hit them PERFECT!If you hit them high they will run off with your arrow laughing at you. With low draw weight, you have to hit the big ones in the soft spot.....or get real lucky.
Bisch
Sequoia: The ACE looks like a good to me-get them tuned right- hogs are fun to hunt and make great pasta feeds!!
in my limited experience, I use a tuned arrow that is 650 grains with ~225 grains up front. I webelieve they were >21% foc (can't remember exactly). I use a BIG magnus 1 with bleeders (all blades KMEd to a mirrored finish) on 2 hogs (boars from 150-175lbs) and this arrow set up out of a 59# '60 bear kodiak and a 55# sovereign archery ballistick. Shot throug 1 hog (liver) and recovered it, and the other hog shot through mud, hair, thick shield and arrow was lodged in opposite side of rib cage.
I like to have the max weight and poundage I can handle with accuracy,when I hunt wild boars expecially old big boar in the winter.I use the same set up I use for elk:min DW 55# with over 60#prefered,recurve ff bow 25% or more FOC and 600 plus grain arrow weight.Really sharp BH with 3 blade or a single bevel.I have killed quite few hogs with Ziwckeys and Magnus',but now I prefere different ones for those though animals.
My plan for my hog hunt this weekend is a full length Carbon Express Heritage 350, 100 grain brass insert, 160 grain STOS with 100 grain steel adapter. Total weight 773 grains. Will be shooting my Hill Crocodile. Will let you know how it goes.
Steve,
With a set up like that I suspect you could just wait til a group of them line up side by side and take 3 with one shot!
BowHunterGA good luck!
I have a 60# mystical Robertson longbow. Thanks for the ideas.
Good luck.
here is the sweet spot I shoot my hogs. Sheild or no sheild i had never had a problem at this spot. thats center of heart. I was 12' up, shooting 60" recurve 49#@27" 500MXF 27.75BOP 50gr brass insert. 5gr. carbon collor and a 125gr Snuffer. 11yards shot maybe a 5 yard recovery. hope this helps. Good luck
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Placement is key. I once lung shot a medium sized hog 150ish with a 700 grain arrow shot from a 70# bow. I got complete pass through, but almost zero blood trail and never recovered the hog. A good shot from a 45# bow would have been much better. Big bows and heavy arrows are cool, but are only as good as you can shoot them. My advice is to practice a lot with the gear you normally use and not to worry about arrow weight etc.
what terry posted.
as heavy an arrow as you can feel comfortable with in consistent placement at the distances you'll be shooting hogs.
multi-blade or wide broadhead, razor sharp.
izzy kilt a coupla big hogs at solana this year and did it with a 47# hybrid, and a 650 grain arrow with 180 grain silver flame bh.
above all, i'd try to stay within my limits of arrow placement control, with whatever bow and arrow combination chosen.
what about a shaft thats footed like people like to do on the end of carbons, but slide it up the whole arrow for added weight?
I shot cedars and two blade heads. Would filinf a tanto tip be a good idea?
You may wish to consider a Victory HV 350 w/400 up front to optimize your set-up.
Should weigh ~661 grains and should yield ~33% Ultra-EFOC.
---Have observed quite visible penetration gains up to 30% EFOC
--- Eyes and pocket book for targets were again re-opened at 32 %.
Note: Made a couple of assumptions--Your bow is cut to center---you draw 60#@28.
If a 45# bow with optimized arrows can penetrate a water buffalo 50% of the time than that same bow and arrow combination will kill anything on this continent. Just use an arrow over 650 grains with a scary sharp 2 blade broadhead and you'll be fine.
So guys, if I understand you correctly.
Recurve 60" 55# on my draw length, arrow 600 grain good FOC 20 +, sharp 2 blade broadhead, good shoot placement and there is no need to worry about hogs shelld ? correct ?
Or i can stay on 60 pound , 660 grain arrow ,FOC 22
300 grain on front of arrow ....
QuoteOriginally posted by bowfanatik:
So guys, if I understand you correctly.
Recurve 60" 55# on my draw length, arrow 600 grain good FOC 20 +, sharp 2 blade broadhead, good shoot placement and there is no need to worry about hogs shelld ? correct ?
Or i can stay on 60 pound , 660 grain arrow ,FOC 22
300 grain on front of arrow ....
Depends on how big the hog is. In my opinion, there are some hogs that are not meant to be taken with archery equipment. You better have a tough dog that loves you while you are looking for a huge wounded boar or barr hog. Little ones eat way better anyways.
just completed a hunt....using 50#@28 Mohawk Sparrowhawk, doug fir shaft, Ribtek 190 heads with turkey fletching.
Downed a 150-160+ lb old boar....cutters about 3+ inches from gumline to tip....he started broadside and turned to prepare to run and hesitated. 10-15yds away...arrow entered just at right rear ham angling towards front left shoulder....arrow nock disappeared in the boar with it entering him fully.
Hour later he was found watching his back trail less than 75 yds away....hurt bad and unable to run or fight. Finished him there then drug him 150 yds through Marsh and mud and 6-8foot tall reed grass to the islands edge to the boat.
reasonable bow weight with reasonable arrow weight and very sharp broadhead for maximum penetration...shot placement and arrow weight I think are more important than speed and all that other mess. SHOT PLACEMENT being the number one aspect. There is NO MAGIC BULLET....a bow you can shoot a heavy shaft accurately...and then your own skills getting close to make the shot.
The weight of arrow keeps the arrow in motion going through thick hide and bone and muscle...but unless it hits vitals he is not going to stop and may not bleed much anyhow.
I put these on the Dangerous Game thread but here is pic...hard to see pig as he is sinking in marsh mud and looks black...but was blonde on whole body except for strip of jet black long hair from forehead to tail.
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Bow was prototype Sparrowhawk Rob D tested two years ago and wrote up here for Mohawk Bows. :)
45# will do it as well...I have no doubt with right arrow and broadhead and an accurate shot.
Honestly, I really, really think that people believe that hogs are way tougher/bigger than they actually are. I mean, yes. You do occasionally come across a 300# pig with a 2" shield, but you also occasionally come across an 8x8 elk, 65" moose & 14 point whitetail.....
99% of the hogs you'll ever come across are under 100# & any arrow you'd use for deer will be fine for pigs.
10 grains per pound, ANY broadhead you can get razor sharp & KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO SHOOT AND BE ABLE TO HIT THAT SPOT & you'll have pork on the grill.
Robtattoo is dead on, I've hunted hogs for 25+ years using trad bows 45lbs to 55lbs draw weight at 27". First a average wild hog is 100-175lbs mature around these parts, sure there are 300lbers out there I've harvested a few over the years but also compare them them killing a 160" buck. There's not a 300lber around every bush ;) . That all said--- shot placement, shot placement, shot placement. Good arrow and 2 blade broadheads = dead pig.
Yup, killed my biggest pig to date (185#) with a 58#@31" bamboo backed ipe bow (the first bow I ever built) a 32" 55-60 spined cedar shaft & 135gn Zwickey Delta 2-blade.
At 35yds.
Quartering hard toward me....
Arrow went in at the neck, passed through the heart & caught a bit of both lungs, cleared the liver & guts & exited through the ham.
Best game shot I ever made & not one I'd ever try again. The stars'll never be aligned like that again!
BUT, it just goes to show, you don't need the archery equivalent of a .300 Win Mag.
Use whatever weight you can handle well. Since I shoot lower poundage due to Old Age, I only shoot two blade broadheads for maximum penetration.
42#@28 Griffin longbow, Beman ICS Hunter 500 carbon arrow with 225 grain 2 blade.
250#+ boar...
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I really like the quartering away shot on hogs. I don't think that we've lost a pig that was shot quartering away(knock on wood), regardless of size. On broadside hogs, many guys shoot them like deer but the vitals are farther forward on pigs.
Quartering away, any hit in the body will likely get the vitals.
I personally like 600+ gr. arrows and Woodsmans.
QuoteOriginally posted by robtattoo:
Honestly, I really, really think that people believe that hogs are way tougher/bigger than they actually are. I mean, yes. You do occasionally come across a 300# pig with a 2" shield, but you also occasionally come across an 8x8 elk, 65" moose & 14 point whitetail.....
99% of the hogs you'll ever come across are under 100# & any arrow you'd use for deer will be fine for pigs.
10 grains per pound, ANY broadhead you can get razor sharp & KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO SHOOT AND BE ABLE TO HIT THAT SPOT & you'll have pork on the grill.
+2 on this statement
Nice pig Tip