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Title: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 23, 2007, 01:21:00 AM
Hey gang,i am looking for some ideas on a backyard sand pit for shooting broadheads into.I have seen some at  older archery shoots(before 3-d's became popular).
Does anyone have some pictures of thier sand pits or ideas on how to make something up (that looks OK in the backyard...those were my wifes words  :smileystooges:  )
Kinda tired of shooting out my 3-d targets with broadheads so i thought i would ask around and see what else i could come up with.The sand trap sounds like the best option.
Post some pics/ideas. Bill
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Seeza on July 23, 2007, 07:23:00 AM
I'll be keeping an eye on this Bill as I am wanting to do the same thing.
Tim
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Whip on July 23, 2007, 07:51:00 AM
I built mine using treated 4x4's as corner posts, and then connected them with horizontal 2x4's spaced a foot apart.  Then treated plywood on the inside, and fill with sand.  I left the front two 4x4's tall enough that I can stretch a wire between them and hand cardboard cutout targets from it.  By far the best way to practice with broadheads!
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: BobW on July 23, 2007, 09:41:00 AM
That would make for one popular place for the neighborhood cats to congregate.... then again, that makes for more practice opportunities.  I think I have to make me one of those.

BobW
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Dave2old on July 23, 2007, 10:49:00 AM
I have two of them, both made by accident when I did some shovel excavating to add on a porch deck -- piled up the resulting large quantity of clean topsoil into a couple of small hills, thinking my wife would use it in her gardens. She didn't. Grass grew over and now they blend in. No rocks and the perfect broadhead targets, for free. Nothing to buy, nothing to build, assuming you have access to rock-free dirt.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Fallguy on July 23, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
We have had sand pits at our old range, because we had a range full of sand. If you use a wood box to hold the sand make sure it is large enough to allow the arrow to come to a stop before hitting the wood. Our new range we have built our broadhead bunkers using sod. If you contact your local sod company and get the stuff that has gotten old you can get cheap. We just rolled it out and stacked one layer on top of each other until it was about 2' high. We have our range in a county park were it gets alot of public use. We put a single wide and replace the thin shots in the spring.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: V I Archer on July 23, 2007, 11:36:00 AM
I was thinking of building one using landscaping ties. No broadhead arrow combo I shoot would go through one of those if I deliver an errrant shot!
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Falk on July 23, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
Quoteposted by BobW:
That would make for one popular place for the neighborhood cats to congregate....
It does!  :mad:    :readit:  

The far back and one side are brick walls, corner of the barn. To hold all the sand together I've used a BIG sheet of plywood at the other side. Arranged in a trapezoid shape.
You need LOTS of sand to stop your Bhd-arrows and prevent "pass throughs" with hitting the wall behind.
Most often I use bags filled with plastic foils of all kinds as primary target, set up infront of the sand pit, the later beeing only the backstop.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 23, 2007, 01:18:00 PM
VI Archer,what is a landscaping tie?? Bill
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 23, 2007, 01:26:00 PM
Whip,how tall/wide is your trap ?? Did you put any landscape paper under the sand to keep the weeds from growing up in the trap?? Bill
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Rick McGowan on July 23, 2007, 05:05:00 PM
I built one like Whip described about 20 years ago and I am still using it with no repairs. I used one 12' 4X4 cut into four equal lengths and the sides and back were 1X6"X4' all pressure treated, its four feet square and three feet high. It took one ton of sand. Originally I also had a 2X4 across the top in the front or open side to keep the sides from bowing out, but it was always in the way for pulling arrows, so I took it off and just let the sides bow, which hasn't been much, but if I built a new one, I would put a 8' 2X4 across the bottom of the posts at the front with 2' sticking out on either side and run another section of 2X4 from the ends of that up to the tops of the front posts as an angle brace to prevent the bowing.
Something like this. Make sure you use hot dipped galvanized nails or they won't last long.

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Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Orion on July 23, 2007, 05:35:00 PM
Back in the days before 3-D targets when I wanted to shoot broadheads year around (the ground freezes here in winter) I built one similar to Whip's and Rick's in my basement.  Don't remember how big it was, but I know I carried an awful lot of 5 gallon buckets full of sand down my basement steps.  Of course, no matter how careful one is, some sand escapes the box, from arrow impact, pulling and cleaning arrows, etc.  Pretty soon, I had sand over a good share of the basement floor, then the house.  That lasted about three years.  Taking the sand out was even harder than bringing it in.  What a fella will do to shoot a few arrows.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Rick McGowan on July 23, 2007, 05:48:00 PM
I can still remember when I ordered the sand, I told the guy I needed one yard of sand delivered,"he said, we sell it by the ton", I said,"I don't need a ton, only a square yard", he said,"a square yard is MORE than a ton",I said,"Oh". It seemed like a LOT more than a ton when I hauled it from the driveway to the very back of the yard in a wheelbarrow!
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Gun on July 23, 2007, 10:39:00 PM
I built one in the corner of my wifes garden at one of our homes. My current one is in our "front yard" along side of our driveway into our acreage. I can shoot as far as I like. I used treated plywood as stated above but added some old conveyor belting against the back before filling with sand on the first one. I'm using recycled tire 1" thick old floor matt on this one. I'm still hitting the rubber with two blade heads. But they pull free easy. I did put landscape cloth on the groung first to keep weeds at bay, but find I need to spray a bit anyway. I put two post out front with wires across and rubber bungee cord at one end to give a bit. One other thing. I used playground sand which is sifted finer. I have heard of mixing some saws dust in as well. I shoot broadheads all summer.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Whip on July 23, 2007, 11:17:00 PM
Mine is  6' across and 4' deep, 3' tall.  I didn't put any landscape fabric down, but would probably help a little.  Weeds will still grow, but not too bad and they pull easily.  I spray with roundup occasionally.
One other tip - build your pit so that you can face north if possible.  The first pit I built I had to face east directly into the sun in the morning, and I couldn't see to shoot before work in the morning.  My newest one I face north and can shoot anytime of day without worrying about the sun.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 24, 2007, 12:42:00 AM
Thanks for the suggestions so far.Keep them coming.How about some pictures fellas?? Bill
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Brian Krebs on July 24, 2007, 01:19:00 AM
I used to shoot in broadhead leagues; and practiced in SAND. I took eigth bales of hay; and put two in the back; two on each side; and put two on top.
The yard of sand goes inside. I backed up the hay ( which is heavier than straw) with a piece of plywood; and in time laid a piece of plywood under the two top bales- to hold them up.
Warning danger warning! ALWAYS check behind the target! I used to shoot everyday; and one day I hit the top of the sand pile; and the broadhead went through the plywood. I looked behind to see how to get the broadhead out; and it was sticking out next to my sons head ! He and his friend made a fort behind the target... argh!
Good thing about sand is that it last forever. You might have to replace the bales; but the sand will not wear out!
Now I have several acres of sand to shoot into; uphill; and downhill; and straight; and I practice with broadheads all the time. I even missed a local 3d shoot because I didn't have any field points.
 Sand will really dull the broadheads; to the point that I check my hunting arrows for a few days- and then sharpen them; and practice with other heads that are butterknife dull.
 I have told some people- we used to shoot in competition with broadheads; and they didn't believe me.. but we did !
 Here is another idea - make two of these targets; so you shoot into one; pull your arrows; and shoot into the other... and don't do all that walking back to the line to shoot.  :)  
 SAND works way better- than dirt.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on July 24, 2007, 01:40:00 AM
Good grief guys! that's a whole lot of work to build a cat box...  :eek:    :eek:    :scared:  

I'm thinking a foam block would be much more sanitary than picking cat poo poo's off my arrows, or worse yet, someones cat.....get locked up that way...don't ya know....  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: BobW on July 24, 2007, 12:00:00 PM
I hear it (cat poo) quiets the whistling in snuffers  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 24, 2007, 01:49:00 PM
Cats will only visit it ONCE!!!!  ;)  Bill
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on July 24, 2007, 07:35:00 PM
Cats NEVER visit just once! always check your stero head phones too before going out to play in your cat box....Keep your fingers out of your mouths guys!  :knothead:
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Gun on July 24, 2007, 10:18:00 PM
I keep hopin mine will attract some cats.  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: capt eddie on July 24, 2007, 10:51:00 PM
Go to the salvation army or Goodwill and buy all the used sleeping bags.  Fold them in quarters and hang from two pieces of string.  You can not shoot thru it.  When you finaly can shoot thru it buy a burlap fill bag and start over.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 25, 2007, 01:57:00 PM
Do you think a steel 55 gal drum full of sand turned on it's side would work ?? I have ALOT of these at work so it wouldn't cost be dick all to get. Bill
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: amicus on July 25, 2007, 02:17:00 PM
I sure would like to see a picture of your sand box. Sounds like a great idea.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: BobW on July 25, 2007, 02:52:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Footed Shaft:
Do you think a steel 55 gal drum full of sand turned on it's side would work ?? I have ALOT of these at work so it wouldn't cost be dick all to get. Bill
silly question, but if it was on its side, what holds the sand in.......  :D
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Hardhed on July 25, 2007, 07:10:00 PM
Have any of you found the sand wears the shafts of carbon arrows?

Does anyone have a picture of their sand pit?
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: capt eddie on July 25, 2007, 09:18:00 PM
Go to Goodwill and the Salvation Army and buy all the used sleeping bags.  Fold them in quarter and hang them by rope.  You can not shoot thru it.  After a few month you can buy a burlap fill bag and put the sleeping bag in them.  I have the same three sleeping bags for over a year.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 26, 2007, 10:50:00 AM
Bobw,i would have a 2" lip welded onto the bottom to keep the sand in when i lay it down.
Hardhed,i have heard that the sand is very hard on carbon shafts.Not a problem for me as i use aluminums the majority of the time.
capt addie,you seem to be missing the fact that i am shooting broadheads.I would never be able to get the broadhead out of the sleeping bags.
Bill
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Rick McGowan on July 26, 2007, 03:54:00 PM
I shoot aluminum, wood and carbon into the sand and it dosn't seem to wear much on any of them, most of the wear is on the head. I've shot aluminums into them for years and only worn off some of the finish at the front. I do tune my stuff pretty well, so it hits straight and not at an angle.
Title: Re: Sand pits/broadhead practice
Post by: Footed Shaft on July 27, 2007, 12:03:00 PM
TTT.