I have been reading up on quality comfortable packs to bivy into the back country. I am Looking at KUIU, Kifaru, Mystery Ranch (MR) and other packs. Both Kifaru and MR have very strong followings and have been around a very long time. Those that use them say they are the best. I have read up on KUIU, whose frame is much lighter (that is appealing) but the majority if not all of what you read out there on KUIU packs is from people who got them free in turn for a review. I did a search on TradGang but did not come up with anything. What do you use and recommend? Anyone have first hand experience with KUIU packs? I saw some issues with the 3000 pack. Thanks you for your input!
I personally use the mystery ranch NICE Crewcab. I like this pack because once I get camp set up I can significantly shrink the size of my pack. It does have a lot of straps and buckles that some people like and some people hate, me personally I don't mind them. The nice thing about the NICE frame is that you can use one frame for multiple packs if you choose to have say a 7000 cu.in or a 2000 cu.in. The initial cost of the frame and a new bag is expensive, but I feel that the frame will last forever. I am very happy with this pack, but I am also from MT and try to buy Montana products.
As far as weight the mystery ranch NICE packs are far heavier than the Kifaru, especially compared to the new ultralights that kifaru has come out with. As far as durability, I think you would be hard pressed to find a more durable pack than the mystery ranch. The mystery ranch packs are not very water repellant, and are somewhat loud due to the material that they use, but this is also what makes them so durable.
The mystery ranch pack has a yoke that can be adjusted for torso length, but I have some friends tell me that they think the kifaru fits a long torso better.
Mystery ranch stands behind their product, and if you are not happy with it you can return.
I do not have any experience with the KUIU products, good luck in choosing a new pack.
??? Hm ? "I am very happy with this pack, but I am also from MT and try to buy Montana products."
And your profile says Colorado ??? Whats up with that?
QuoteOriginally posted by stickbowhntr:
??? Hm ? "I am very happy with this pack, but I am also from MT and try to buy Montana products."
And your profile says Colorado ??? Whats up with that?
I currently live in Colorado, once I can find work in MT I will move back.
Bill,
Maybe Tutanka was born and raised in Montana and now lives in CO???
What does your question really have to do with the Topic???
I have a Crew Cab. VERY versatile pack that can haul anything.
I was looking, looking, looking at that Kuiu pack, I just could not get it out of my head that the carbon fiber frame, while a very innovative idea, was not the ideal material for a guy spending a lot of time around a lot of rocks. I have read quite a bit of "issues" with the Kuiu pack. Slipping shoulder straps, squeaking pivot point, not very comfortable with loads over 60#. I was glad I passed when last weekend I was talking with a friend who had hunted Dall sheep in the NWT this fall. His guide and another guide in the same outfit tried the Icon. Both returned them.
I will take another look at them after they have a few years of refinement. For now, I will see how the Kifaru KU5200 I just picked up fits the bill. So far, just in the house loaded up, I am very impressed.
And, Steve, you are welcome to try both my Crew Cab and Kifaru if you would like.
I have the MR NICE Pack Frame with the 6500 cu in pack and the load hauler. It's the perfect set-up for out west and for hunting with a climber here in the midwest. That load hauler is invaluable for hauling tree stands. I like the flexibility of the NICE system.
I never used the Kuiu my self, but a friend of mine have one and I had a look at it, and I have to say, it look like a really well made and thought out pack!! That said, i never used it....
Man... I usually don't post much over here, but backpack hunting is kind of my schtick.
I got my start with cheap crap that borders on midevil torture devices, like Badlands, Eberlestock, Osprey, and Granite Gear schwag. In my opinion packs like this are great for tourists that will never carry more than 50 Lbs on their back.
4 years ago, I purchased a Mystery Ranch CrewCab and a 6500 bag to go with it. It was a chunk of money, but the difference in it compared to every other pack I'd used was night and day. The Crewcab gets used a lot in bow season for dayhunts and hanging treestands. Its not a very big inch pack, but you could pull an overnighter, or maybe even a 3 day if its mellow temps outside and you're not packing a lot of clothing. The 6500 is the one I use most for real backpacking, and I carry loads in up up to 60 Lbs quite a bit, and I get in at least 2 weeks a year of real pack trips. A 7 day trip is a commitment, but it'll get your priorities straight....
Then last June, EdT (regular on the Kifaru forums and on the Backpack Hunting section of the 24HCF quite a bit) had an Back Country Skills camp. Me and my hunting buddy made the trip and spent the cash. Even though the class wasn't really what I expected, it was a hell of an eye opener. If anybody on here is thinking they want to get serious about living out of a backpack while hunting, and has never done it, I would highly recommend taking Ed's class. It'll save you a couple grand on gear you'll try that won't work out...
What was cool about Ed's class, is unbeknownst to us, his longtime friend Patrick Smith was there. If you've ever got the impression that Patrick is a burned out hippy with nothing better to do than build mountaineering grade products and spend countless hours "field testing" them... You'd pretty much be right.
Patrick had brought quite a few of his new UL line of packs to the party, and I had a chance to try several packs on with 100 Lbs in them... I'll be the first to say it. a hundred pound pack sucks... At best, you're going to make it suck less.
100 Lbs in the KUIU Icon... Absolute PAIN... The waist band felt like it up-ended and was trying to cut me in half. You couldn't pay me to carry over 40 Lbs in one again.
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100 Lbs in Patrick's prototype UL5200... voted "Sucked Least" by all in attendance. Notice how thin the waist belt is, and how spread out it is... It does a SUPERB job of spreading the load out evenly over your pelvis, and puts no pressure in any one spot.)
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Then my tried and true MR 6500. You can feel some pressure on the front topside and rear downside of the waist belt as the padding wants to compress under a 100 pound load. Nowhere near as bad as the KUIU, but nowhere near as good as the KU5200.
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I was talking to Patrick in this pic about his pack stays which are a hardwood carbon/composite lamination. I work in a plywood mill and shoot recurves, so laminations are more than a hobby to me. Patrick said that his pack stays are 50% more rigid and half the weight of aluminum... You could beat a hippy to death with them...
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The first EdT graduating class :)
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After the EdT class. I was ratholing money for a KU5200UL. Then I had some ER bills to pay. Right now I'm saving for a Timberline 5200. I just like bombproof :)
That is awesome. If the KUIU and the other top end packs you mentioned are on the "crap" list, I will be in serious trouble with a Kelty Cache Hauler. That is about all I could afford for elk country this coming season. You are offering up some great information.
I have KUIU Icon 6000. I like this pack. This is interesting test, but I never will use my pack for 100lb..
Martin
Kohout, I have no plans to pack 100 Lbs other than in training. I have some LCL and ACL issues in my left knee, leftovers from JuJitsu :( I rarely go in at over 50 Lbs for a week, but packing 75 Lbs OUT is a very real possibility.
However, how a pack "shakes out" with a big load is indicative of how well it will pack 60 Lbs in my opinion. Kifaru and Mystery Ranch are in a league of their own. With Kifaru being hands down the winner of the "sucks least" award.
I'm going to work hard this fall to take pictures of dead animals, Schafer Silvertips, and Kifaru backpacks :)
Thanks so much for the input everyone! Dan, a special thanks to you for posting and putting down your first hand experience with pics, I found it very enlightening and useful! One thing I have learned, at great expense, is to research and buy the very best you can afford; cutting corners is expensive! I am still interested in hearing from others.
I have the KU5200,used it last year on an elk hunt.We hiked in 5 miles setup camp and hunted from there.I bought the pack because how light it was.I hiked with weight in it for months before the hunt slowly adding more weight each time.The pack worked perfect for me,the most I ever had in the pack was 60 lbs and it was comfortable.At first I was concerned about how thin the material the pack is made out of is,but after wearing it in the bush for 10 tens I had no problems.Kifaru is a good company that stands behind its product.My buddy also bought one and it just didnt fit him right,he sent it back they made some adjustments for him.He tryed it for awhile and it just didnt work for him.He eventually sent it back and they gave him a full refund.He bought the KUIU and likes it.Maybe you can find some guys close to you that have different packs and you could try them.Good luck in your search for a pack
I have the kuiu Icon 6000 and I paid for it. I havnt had 100# in it but it is the lightest pack and it has the most compression straps. So I can hunt in it all day and its like wearing a standard day pack but will expand out to 6000 c.i. for at least getting the first load out. The other 6000 packs are to bulky to hunt in. In my opinion.
Back to the whole pretense of Bivy hunting....
Most good bivy sacks that work tip the scales at 3-4 Lbs anyways. A Kifaru Supertarp is about 2 Lbs more with an Annex and parastove. The new cylinder stoves from EdT would probably shave another half pound. I lived in one all September chasing Elk, and early October chasing Mulies up high
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Heated shelters are super badass. Once you use a floorless tent with a woodstove, you'll never go back to anything else
I'm a big Kifaru fan..... Terry
Me too...
Hunting buddy has a Sawtooth on the way for next fall, and I just happen to have a "medium" stove that I never got around to burning.
Each guy packs 4 Lbs and you've got a heated shelter with insane amounts of room.
Kevin T from Seek Outside has some really good tents too. His new BCS will likely be my new solo shelter, it doesn't weigh much more than the old tried and true Supertarp, and its big enough to fit two guys and a stove and some gear... His tipi's I like better than Kifaru, and that's saying something.
Listen to Dan, he knows of what he speaks. After seeing all three in person there is no way you could get me to spend my money on anything but Kifaru packs. Mystery Ranch makes a hell of a pack, but for me the Kifaru stuff just makes more sense, it weighs less and cost is similar.
I try and walk at least 3 miles, at least 5 days a week with 60lbs. in/on my pack. I've owned a Siwash and now a Longhunter and I couldn't be happier.
Me with 85 lbs. last fall. It was rifle season, but I'm hoping to do the same with my trad bow this fall. Inside the pack is the same ~200 lbs. buck completely boned out except for the front legs which went in the pack whole.
Well howdy Brad :D I can't wait to see you in The Bob this fall, even if you don't have an Elk tag in your pocket.
Other Brother Ed's Sawtooth will be here in March. Thank god for Sugar Daddies ;)
You find a takedown yet? I might know where there's a 66 pound Silvertip Longbow for sale...
The pack tryouts was a real eye opener. Enough so that I'm going to give up the Montana connection with the MR pack just as soon as funds allow.
You can't go wrong with Kifaru. Save up and spend the money.
Another alternative, however, is looking for a used Dana Desings packs...you have to get the older one's from the 90's built in Bozeman. They were built by the Mystery Ranch Dana, whom sold Dana Designs to...Marmot I think. You can often get a steal on a Dana pack on fleabay in excellent condition under $200 but usually closer to $300....some "new" ones from a fella in Bozeman for a bit more. Worth every penny. My Arcflex Terraplane (internal frame) will hold my 80lbs pack in weight as comfortable as 80lbs can be...super solid and built like a rock. Can pack out easily over 100lbs in this pack. Look at the blue ones, if they are pretty colors, they are too new and not near the quality of the original. These are size for waist and torso. Basically, the fore-child of the mystery ranch at much less...just a thought. good luck and get pack'n!
Dan, new takedown should be here today. I couldn't get a 66 lbs. Bow back with both hands and both feet!
I have a Kifaru Longhunter 5200. The first time that I went out it was for 7 days or so. I had enough in the pack for probably 10 though. It was very comfortable given the amount of weight in it. It also seems like it will be extremely durable. I could not forsee wearing a hole through or ripping that material. I have no problem using it for a day pack. It can be cinched down by the straps and you can throw the top inside the main compartment or leave it at camp if you want. I live in Colorado so that definitely played into my decision to purchase. I know nothing of the other pack manufacturers. It is a lot of money but I am happy with the purchase.
I had 95#'s in my NICE frame 6500 for an 8 day hunt in the CO wilderness, 7 miles in from the trail head. It sucked but with the frame adjusted correctly to your torso, it rode well for almost 100#'s of gear and I only weigh 180 lb.
I think the overriding theme is you get what you pay for. When it comes to packs, if you can buy it at Cabelas or Bass Pro, keep looking. If you shop around a little you can find some good deals on auction sites, classifieds, etc.
For those of you who use a tent without floor what is the advantage other then less weight because there is no floor?
Steve, it is GREAT. You wear your boots and don't have to worry about getting dirt all over the floor. You spill your drink on the floor, you pour a little water on it to clean it up.
As Steve said you don't track in dirt/mud, and less weight.
No different than a wall tent when you think about it.