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Title: Aerial Shooting Practice - Self Thrown - Video
Post by: oxnam on January 12, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
I got out for just a few shots the other day.  I had not done this for a very long time but I was reminded of the many benefits of this kind of practice.  Any feedback will be appreciated.  Anything else you would like to see?

 http://www.youtube.com/embed/2SwNP_ixHIM
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Post by: snakebit40 on January 12, 2012, 11:14:00 AM
Nice shooting! I'm going to give a try some time. Thanks for sharing    :thumbsup:    :campfire:
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Post by: on January 12, 2012, 11:22:00 AM
do you shoot the same weight bow as you do deer hunting or do you go a little lighter, just wondering?
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Post by: The Whittler on January 12, 2012, 11:29:00 AM
Even the ones you missed they weren't by much. Thanks for the show.
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Post by: oxnam on January 12, 2012, 11:36:00 AM
I shoot the same poundage for deer, elk, and birds, 65# @ 28.  Birds can be tough to take down so I wouldn't recommend anyone drop weight for hunting.  If someone just enjoyed shooting aerials with no intention of hunting, weight would be less of a concern, but faster arrows still reduce the large leads that are required.
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Post by: Bernie B. on January 12, 2012, 11:37:00 AM
Great video!  Some nice shooting also.  What kind of equipment were you using?

Bernie Bjorklund

NC Iowa/SW Wisconsin
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Post by: snag on January 12, 2012, 11:45:00 AM
Great fun! Do you hunt pheasants there in Idaho? Always thought it would be cool to head to S. Dakota for a pheasant bow trip. That's if they allow bows.
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Post by: oxnam on January 12, 2012, 01:28:00 PM
I am shooting a Centaur Chimera 65# @ 28" with 30" Gold Tip 7595's, tips were zwickey judo points and VPA Small Game Thumpers.  All the flu flus were 6 fletch with a heavy helical.



QuoteOriginally posted by snag:
Great fun! Do you hunt pheasants there in Idaho? Always thought it would be cool to head to S. Dakota for a pheasant bow trip. That's if they allow bows.
I do hunt pheasants but recently have spent more time on chukars and huns.  They are closer and more plentiful but a lot harder to hunt and hit.  We should look at getting a western hunt setup some where.  I wonder how guys we might be able to get together for a western states pheasant shoot.  I believe there are some preserves in Vale, Oregon, not sure where else.
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Post by: lpcjon2 on January 12, 2012, 02:30:00 PM
That was pretty cool,and great music as well.
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Post by: Longbow1953 on January 12, 2012, 03:41:00 PM
Very good.   :archer2:    :archer2:
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Post by: misfire on January 12, 2012, 03:42:00 PM
Thanks for sharing. It looks like you were really enjoying yourself.
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Post by: JamesV on January 12, 2012, 03:49:00 PM
Good shooting, looks like fun. I use spiral flu flu for playing around. How would they work for arial shooting?
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Post by: oxnam on January 12, 2012, 04:31:00 PM
Spirals will work great, get some open space and start throwing!  (pick up our dvd if you want to shorten the learning curve ;-) )
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Post by: Stump_pounder on January 12, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
You rock bud. Ive always wanted to try that. I need to get some flu flu arrows and try that. Thanks for the insperation!
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Post by: gringol on January 12, 2012, 06:10:00 PM
Do you ever use the standard clay pigeon?
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Post by: Possum Head on January 12, 2012, 06:38:00 PM
Great vid but I had to explain to the wife where I was going with her 2-liter!
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Post by: Tater John on January 12, 2012, 07:41:00 PM
:thumbsup:  Yesterday I ordered your DVD, looking forward to seeing it.

Rusty
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Post by: Terry Green on January 12, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
:bigsmyl:
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Post by: snag on January 12, 2012, 09:14:00 PM
Love to try this sometime. Vale sounds like a possibility.
You've got some great looking dogs on your site!
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Post by: joe ashton on January 12, 2012, 10:45:00 PM
looked like fun!
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Post by: JamesKerr on January 12, 2012, 11:36:00 PM
:bigsmyl:
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Post by: David Yukon on January 12, 2012, 11:47:00 PM
I need to make my self some fluflus, and try that!!
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Post by: flippnsticks on January 13, 2012, 08:15:00 AM
great video, Good shooting brother  :thumbsup:
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Post by: oxnam on January 13, 2012, 02:10:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by gringol:
Do you ever use the standard clay pigeon?
I normally shoot the standard clays when I am using a clay thrower.  The motorized clay thrower that I generally use, does not accomodate the mini's (or whatever the little ones are called).  The mini's were nice for hand tossed because they a more challenging.

Snag - How many people could we get together for a hunt.  Vale is a bit of a drive, but not too bad because I have family down that way.

I hope this gets people interested and excited to get out and shoot.  Aerial archery really is a ton of fun where family and friends, even with no real archery experience, can go out and have a great time together.
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Post by: Shakes.602 on January 13, 2012, 02:52:00 PM
Fine Shooting There! Oh So Close on the Shasta Too!!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: snag on January 13, 2012, 04:22:00 PM
Oxnam, might get quite a few. I know Dave Doran did a private land pheasant hunt there in the Bend area this past year. I believe there was about 7 or 8 just from locals. I know there are some guys around here that would go for it. I'll bring it up at the next trad club meeting.
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Post by: oxnam on January 13, 2012, 05:08:00 PM
Just let me know
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Post by: RAU on January 13, 2012, 09:49:00 PM
Very cool. I enjoyed that!
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Post by: on January 13, 2012, 11:43:00 PM
With a 90 pound longbow I am 100% at hitting orange golf balls that I threw my self, over hand. That's right, I tried it just the one time and couldn't believe it myself.  It is a lot harder to throw stuff yourself than to have two buddies play catch and shoot at the ball between them.  I do better on a soccer ball and shoot it on the first bounce.  Screwing around with moving targets is way more fun than shooting groups.
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Post by: oxnam on January 14, 2012, 12:10:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by pavan:
Screwing around with moving targets is way more fun than shooting groups.
So very true   :bigsmyl:
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Post by: Tater John on January 14, 2012, 12:27:00 AM
Nice video Derrick received it today,great information. You make it look easy

Rusty
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Post by: oxnam on January 14, 2012, 01:22:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Tater John:
Nice video Derrick received it today,great information. You make it look easy

Rusty
I am glad you enjoyed it.  As long as you keep the targets big enough and close enough, it is easy.  Keep me updated on how you are doing.  Thanks
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Post by: instinctivebowman on January 14, 2012, 02:03:00 AM
nice one derrick, start heading east. i need some help shooting all these pheasant we have
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Post by: Jim Neaves on January 16, 2012, 12:29:00 AM
Derrick, gotta say "hats off to ya bud". That was an incredible DVD and you explained everything perfectly for new and seasoned archer. Would love to shoot some pheasants with you sometime. It would also be a kick to do some duck and goose hunting and capture that with the camera guys too!
Anyone that has thought about shooting aerial targets of any kind needs to get Derrick's DVD (Introduction To Aerial Archery). Thanks again for taking the time to create this video. You really make it easy for anyone to get started having fun shooting aerial targets right away!

Jim Neaves
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Post by: Mudd on January 16, 2012, 09:08:00 AM
Are you shooting split finger or 3 under? I watched the video several times trying to figure it out and if I had to make a guess I'd say split fingered.

Nice shooting!

I guess I'm gonna have to spring for some good flu-flu's.

I have a few that I don't much care to shoot as they just don't drop off fast enough to suit me.

I only own one acre here in town and I need to try to keep my arrows in my own yard...lol

Thanks for sharing!

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: oxnam on January 16, 2012, 01:46:00 PM
Thanks Jim for your kind words.  I would really enjoy hunting together sometime.

Mudd - You are correct, I do shoot split finger.  Some good spiral fletches will keep the flu flus in your yard.  Another thing that helps is not throwing the targets very high.  Keeping targets low really shortens arrow retrieval distances.
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Post by: LC on January 16, 2012, 05:16:00 PM
VERY cool video. And actually very good shooting. May I suggest two things. Use a 2 liter plastic pop bottle with a few rocks in it and can the full cut flu flus for regular hunting fletch arrow where the first two thirds is as standard fletch with the last one third is spiral. Bet you make some awesome videos with that combo. One last thing video edit the misses out with maybe one or two and only show hits and the masses will believe you are the next Howard Hill! lol Seriously great video!
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Post by: Smithhammer on January 20, 2012, 12:16:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by oxnam:
We should look at getting a western hunt setup some where.  I wonder how guys we might be able to get together for a western states pheasant shoot.  I believe there are some preserves in Vale, Oregon, not sure where else.
I think you're on the opposite side of the state from me, but I'd be up for something like this. There are definitely good pheasant spots in the southcentral/southeastern parts of the ID as well.
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Post by: Iowabowhunter on January 20, 2012, 01:16:00 PM
That's awesome! I first need to get some hunting arrows lol, but after that I would like another half doz for aerial practice!
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Post by: oxnam on January 21, 2012, 02:19:00 AM
Smithhammer - are you thinking this spring or later?
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Post by: dutchotto on February 04, 2012, 08:33:00 PM
"When learning to shoot instinctive, begin shooting at moving targets with flu-flu arrows. Flu-flus will ensure recovery of all the shots you will miss. Your brain will learn a lot quicker and will train your body how to proficiently hit the center of moving targets. You won't have time to aim. Your brain takes over and eventually calibrates the shot for you."

This is a quote from Tim Wells, not a traditional guy but a great instinctive shooter.
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Post by: Gordon Jabben on February 04, 2012, 11:51:00 PM
Thanks for the video.  Very well done.
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Post by: DGF on February 05, 2012, 12:09:00 AM
I just ordered this video, and am looking forward to watching it. Looks like a blast.

Dan
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on February 05, 2012, 03:23:00 AM
Thats some good shooting . Great vid .
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Post by: oxnam on February 07, 2012, 02:48:00 AM
I need to quit traveling so I can spend more time shooting.  Hope you are getting out.  Not sure what a good video topic should be.


QuoteOriginally posted by dutchotto:
"When learning to shoot instinctive, begin shooting at moving targets with flu-flu arrows. Flu-flus will ensure recovery of all the shots you will miss. Your brain will learn a lot quicker and will train your body how to proficiently hit the center of moving targets. You won't have time to aim. Your brain takes over and eventually calibrates the shot for you."

This is a quote from Tim Wells, not a traditional guy but a great instinctive shooter.
Tim is a great shot and I believe he has done trad but he generally shoots compounds (I guess I might also if sponsors paid for all the hunts).  

It was much harder when shooting at ducks with my string setups and fletchless arrows to see the arrow and accurately adjust leads.  Arrow visibility is extremely important as Tim said.  Lighted nocks can help even more.
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Post by: Blog on Bottom on July 07, 2014, 09:28:00 PM
I have shot milk jugs in the air before, but always with someone else throwing them. It had never occurred to me to throw things myself until I happened to stumble across your youtube video about a week ago.
I was amazed at how quickly it came together after trying it. Of course, I was using laundry detergent bottles, which are considerably larger than your whiffle balls. I'm anxious to buy some of those and give it a try - especially since I broke two flu-flus out of seven hits the other night!
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Post by: Blog on Bottom on July 07, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
Oh, and I intend to get around to buying your video soon. One can never quit learning, and I bet you have some great tips on it.
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Post by: oxnam on July 09, 2014, 02:08:00 AM
I am glad the clip gave you some new ideas, our DVD will give you a lot more   ;)    Breaking 2 out of 7 flu flus is a little rough, are you shooting wood shafts?
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Post by: dave h on July 09, 2014, 08:58:00 AM
Good vid and shooting.Pretty close most of the time.Going to have to try that.
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Post by: Todd Alexander on July 09, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
I've been shooting poorly at pheasants and aerial targets for years here and there.  I just ordered your video and I'm curious to watch it.  You're probably going to tell me I have to practice or something crazy like that.     :thumbsup:
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Post by: oxnam on July 09, 2014, 10:38:00 PM
No nothing crazy like practicing.  It's more about closing your eyes and plucking the string just right.  I go into a lot more detail on the DVD.  Frustration can really hurt confidence, so never actually seeing your misses by closing your eyes keep frustration low and is the secret sauce.  Before you know it, you'll be hearing the sweet sound of splatting paintballs with your flu flus.
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Post by: beaunaro on July 10, 2014, 10:09:00 AM
just ordered the DVD and looking forward to learning something new.
I bet my Grandson will love learning with me.
Can't wait to go try some game farm pheasants.
We have a nice one only six miles away and a good Chocolate Lab too.
Thanks for making the video and sharing it with us.
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Post by: oxnam on July 11, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
Thanks for your orders.  They went out yesterday, so you should have it by Saturday or Monday.  Let me know if you have any questions or if there is any way I can help.  And also, make sure you share some pictures of your aerial adventures.
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Post by: Gdpolk on July 12, 2014, 07:55:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesV:
Good shooting, looks like fun. I use spiral flu flu for playing around. How would they work for arial shooting?
They work well for aerial. I use 3.5" 6-fletch fluflus on a tight helical clamp. I did a test with my friend Michael by shooting them and our otherwise identical hunting arrows (4" 3-fletch shield cut) into a field at 45* above horizontal and measuring flight distance. Out of both of our bows, my fluflus consistently went 32%-36% the distance of my hunting arrows. My hunting arrows impacted at 30*-45*. My fluflus impacted at 65*-75* from both our bows. As best we can tell they climbed at a steadily decreasing rate and then just fell out the sky like they had a tiny parachute on them. We throw targets for each other occasionally and are getting much better but we can't touch Darren's skill.
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Post by: Blog on Bottom on July 12, 2014, 04:58:00 PM
Yes, using wood arrows, but I think the blunt tips are causing too much shock when they hit those heavy jugs. No prob - I'll change to your whiffleballs and I'll be fine. Do they make them in beach ball size?
Here's a video of one of the arrow breaks the other night. The bow action at the end is frustration at seeing the second busted arrow of the night    :(  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIyVT8cAJoE
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Post by: taxyman on July 12, 2014, 05:46:00 PM
:thumbsup:     :clapper:
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Post by: chall on July 12, 2014, 06:28:00 PM
nice video! Looked like fun.
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Post by: oxnam on July 14, 2014, 09:38:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Blog on Bottom:
Yes, using wood arrows, but I think the blunt tips are causing too much shock when they hit those heavy jugs. No prob - I'll change to your whiffleballs and I'll be fine. Do they make them in beach ball size?
Here's a video of one of the arrow breaks the other night. The bow action at the end is frustration at seeing the second busted arrow of the night     :(    
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIyVT8cAJoE  
Nice shooting.  I am surprised that just the impact would be breaking your arrows.  I would have guessed the arrows were penetrating the jug and then falling to the ground together and the weight of the jug and odd angles of impact on the arrows were the cause of the breaks.  I haven't seen any beach ball wiffle balls but judging by the video you many need to pick up some of the golf wiffle balls.
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Post by: hitman on July 24, 2014, 09:35:00 AM
Enjoyed it. Thanks for the good video.
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Post by: joe ashton on July 24, 2014, 10:01:00 AM
Fun to watch this one... again.
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Post by: GladwinHunter777 on July 24, 2014, 09:59:00 PM
Great vid! Thanks
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Post by: oxnam on July 25, 2014, 12:48:00 AM
Thanks guys, it's fun to get out and shoot and we have had such great support from you and other tradgangers.  I wish it was easier/faster to film and edit so that we could upload more videos.  A recent career change will hopefully allow more time to share more.  Thanks again