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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: steadman on January 11, 2012, 02:35:00 PM
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Thought I would try to do some more. Not a ton of participation, but for those that do, Thanks! Again you are at full draw, you have enough bow, arrow is what you want. Where do you look?
Pic 1 Okay, I'm not shootin yet, but if I put pics up of huge animals more people look :)
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/muleyshot1.jpg)
Shot #2
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/muleyshot2b.jpg)
Here's where I'm looking.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/muleyshot2after.jpg)
Here's shot 3.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/muleyshot3b.jpg)
Here's where I'm looking. And yes I'm shooting. I know some are going to say, "let him take another step" I can respect that, but I'm not, he's stopped. He might turn and whirl, he might take another step. We don't know, but this is the pic. We all practice at 3d shoots at these kind of shots, so I'm dropping the string!
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/muleyshot3after.jpg)
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No shot on one, two inches behind your shot on #2 and right where you have the dot on #3. I have enjoyed these threads, thanks
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Pic #1 he should turn left or right either one you have a shot in the hot spot.#2 just about an inch to the rear of your mark.#3 just as you have it.
Thanks for posting this stuff.
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I was thinking the same as maineac, altho the 2" wouldn't make any real difference. and yes, I'm taking the #3 shot, too. I'll be under that branch. :archer2:
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I would go with Maineac. look like most of your shots(steadman) seem to be aimed at the shoulder /leg bone, I know it is just above the elbow, but seems like there is not much for error?? Just a thought... I never connected yet with a big game, so I'm just wondering!?!?!
Thank you again for taking the time, I really enjoy this thread!!!
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On #3, I would probably let him take another step, just because I'm sure that I would clip the pine tree if I took that exact shot :knothead: . He is looking towards me, but not directly at me, and he is relaxed. Shot #2 is much more to my liking, a relaxed deer with no obstructions. #1 is no shot until he turns.
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What centaur said.......I know I would clip that pine....lol!
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No shot on #1, same shot placement as #3 in both #2 and #3.
If the arras ain't flying, there ain't nothing dieing!
I wish that little twig was closer to him in #3 just in case I did clip the twig, but I can make that shot.
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David, I do look at a spot closer to the shoulder. But not by that much. There is quite a bit of room in front of that spot. The shoulder is actually above the spot.
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no on #1...2" left on #2 and no go on #3...been there done that and didn't like the results.
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(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/skeleton.jpg)
Here is a pic of the bone structure. I pick my spot directly above the elbow. It actually gives me more room for error.The reason for that is if you asked most experienced hunters where they tend to miss on game, I bet a lot would say, I missed back from where I was looking. If I miss back from this spot, I'm in the lungs. If I look back of here, I'm in the liver at best. Hope this helps. Everyone is different as well.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/skeletonwithshot.jpg)
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That make sense!! Thank you!
Where did you find that skeleton picture/drawing? I need one for moose and bears!!
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Do a search on google or yahoo. Type in moose anatomy and bear anatomy. Good luck!
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I'm with steadman on every shot selection he's chosen on every one of these threads. He aims for the center of the lungs. Many other people suggest 1" or 2" to the left or right, etc. I say he's dead on. If he hits low, he hits the heart. If he hits a couple inches left or right, he's still in the lungs. Aim further back than steadman does and you don't have as much margin for error.
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No shot for me on shot 1. Shot 2 and 3 I would aim about 2" over the elbow on both deer.
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Shoot on 2 and 3. Wait on 1.
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1-no
2-yes
3-yes drop aim 2", reason; not likely to hit that top branch
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I think you have them down. I am taking every shot you do.
I shot my biggest longbow buck 3 years ago with almost the exact same shot.
God Bless,
Nathan
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First I would like to say thanks for putting the pics up. Also the update on anatomy makes sense on where you pick your spot. Having said all that I would say I will wait on pic1 for 2 and 3 I agree with your spot and go ahead an shoot.
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Love looking at these! Will try to pick my own spot when I get home,.looking at them now on my phone, keeps me sane at work, love it!
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I agree with you 100% Ryan...on all three of them. I used to aim about three inches back of your spot on an animal like #2, but have since convinced myself through trial and error that above the leg actually leaves more margin for error on a perfectly broadside shot.
Travis
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Originally posted by maineac:
No shot on one, two inches behind your shot on #2 and right where you have the dot on #3. I have enjoyed these threads, thanks
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I agree with with your shot placements on all the targets.
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pass on 1, I'm with Steadman on location for 2 and 3. but I might also pass on #3 it would kinda depend on the yardage and the trajectory my arrow would take getting there.
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#1 no shot, #2 about 1" back of your spot, #3 my shot would be a spot just above the bottom branch, i know i will clear the bottom branch but worry about the arch of the arrow putting me into the top branch. Im looking at the #3 shot as about 15 or so yards with the tree about 5 or 6 yards from the deer.
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I am with steadman exactly as well. The tree in number 3 appears just a couple feet in front of the deer so the arrow should have no interference with that shot!
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No shot for me on shot 1. Shot 2 and 3 I would aim about 2" over the elbow on both deer.
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these things are great, keep it up. I dont comment but I always look at them.
dk
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No shot on #1. #2 right where you put it and I might aim an inch farther to the right on shot #3.
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I think that the shoulder scares people into shooting "a little bit back" a lot of times. Your illustration is a great tool for people to see how that skeleton really lies. Hunting mule deer from the ground I think you picked a perfect spot.
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Nice thread! No shot on no.1 for me two.
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You better have a FAST bow for shot #3 brother. I think you are going to hit that top limb...If he is out more than say 15 yards. But other than that, I don't need to know how to draw the dots cause you put them in the right place every time :thumbsup:
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And if you could put me on any of those mule deer, I would kiss you :eek: .. Gosh I want one like #1 in the worst way!
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After I would poop my pants, I doubt the animal would still be there.... But I agree with those placements!
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No shot on #1 but you have #2 and #3 right where I would aim
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Many,many moons ago I took that shot on #1, I lost the biggest blacktail of my life,always regreted shooting. #2 close enough. #3 I took that exact shot at an elk this year with my longbow. Am eating elk steak, couldn't tell you if that arrow went over or thru but hit dead on!!
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Steve I could put you on deer like that all day! But you better have 17 points to have a tag to hunt one :) No thanks on the kiss though :biglaugh:
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I agree with you on shot #1 and #2, but on #3 I would wait. I know we practice on 3D targets , but it is foam and not a live animal. You hit that branch and you have a wounded animal.
Great Post
Thanks
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(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/wapiti792/muleyshot2after.jpg)
*OK nit-picky here. I hate the offside shoulder. I feel that shot #2 would kill the animal fine but I love passthroughs. I do my best to stay center-mass lungs, and Ryan's shot kills the animal just as dead, though. Also, after driving more than a few broadheads into the onside shoulder of 250# whitetails, I tend to be a little paranoid. I respectfully disagree with the idea that most hunters miss far back. I think it's 50/50, and I want my 50 in the liver. Great thread Steadman! BTW the other shots are good IMO. Don't blame you on the kiss either...you seen that guy? :scared:
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(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/wapiti792/skeleton-whitetail-deer.jpg)
*Here is why I think it should be a little farther back. I think it would be more margin for error hitting the middle of the ribs versus the anterior 1/3 of the ribs. Like I said, EITHER shot kills the animal, but this is an opinion format.
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If you calculated the shaking and heart pounding you would hit farther back anyway...LOL
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I agree with your thinking Mike, however, I tend to hit back when I shoot at animals so I like to "crowd" the shoulder. Also I have a good friend who I consider an authority on this, he's killed a lot of critters with a bow. He is who changed my thinking on where to shoot. YMMV.
But your right, dead is dead.
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#3 would be tempting, maybe next year when I am a little more comfortable. If it was 10 - 15 yards probably would be good. Shooting a 250 grain broadhead makes me aware of how quickly my arrow drops. Great threads, really enjoy them.
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Here is why I look where I do, and not back.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/deeranatomy.jpg)
It is nit picking, but I like my room for error on the black dot vs. the white dot. This is ground level as well, up in a tree, you would have more of the actual shoulder blade to deal with
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/deeranatomywithshots.jpg)
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I disagree with the skeleton picture slightly. I think the shoulder and scapula are a little further back giving you less room for error . I shot a deer on sat. and it is still hanging, I just looked at it and I hit this deer about 5 " behind from where the front leg comes up, the broadhead hole is exactly between the 7th and 8th rib dead center the ribcage both sides. #2 would be a good kill but you are close to the ball joint hit that and end of trail.
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My point on the shoulder comment is that a lot of people give up the front of the kill zone entirely and their perceived middle kill is too far back to start with. This makes their margin of error on the back of the kill zone much smaller than it should be in my mind.
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I would let arrows fly on both your marks and hope I wasn't picking a spot near the head gear!
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Gregg, understand completely! I myself have "missed" forward and thought I got shoulder bone only to catch the front apex of the lung and have the animal go down in sight. I have also got too far forward and low. I caught the shoulder slightly on this fat cow elk...missed my spot 4 inches to the right and 3 inches low. Penetration was minimal and one more inch to the right and it would have been bbbbbad!
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/wapiti792/WY10021.jpg)
*As it was the broadhead did its job. Thanks God!
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/wapiti792/WY10026.jpg)
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#2 id take at the point you have marked.
#3 id shoot for a spot behind the lower limb just to make sure i cleared those limbs.
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First one No shot but if he moves just a little maybe,he's real close. 2and 3 same as you.
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1. no shot
2. on your dot or a bit back
3. I'm aiming lower than your dot so my arrow slides through clean.
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I agree with Steadman on all three of these shots.
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we all tend to think the bones go straight up the leg and we need to be behind it. I hope we start looking at those posts and seeing that that is not the case, straight up the leg is awesome and a better shot than behind "the shoulder" which is actually the deers elbow.
Good shooting.
ChuckC