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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: steadman on January 03, 2012, 03:17:00 PM
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I've seen this done on another site and thought it might be a good thing to do here. Here are the parameters, the animal is in your comfortable shooting range, whatever that may be, and is only a thing you know. You have a very sharp BH and are proficient. The BH arrow combo is good enough to kill anything that is in North America. The animal is legal and you have the required tag (even if it's by dream :)
Everyone good? Good. All I want to see if you would shoot or not and where. You can copy the photo to one of many different editing programs and show where you'd shoot. This could help some new folks on the different shot angles and where to put an arrow. Feel free to "play" if you're new, some of the experienced guys could correct if needed and why.
This is not meant to start a debate that gets out of control. I can just see a lot of the winter doldrum threads starting to appear, and thought this might break it up a bit. Feel free to add your own pics of game.
Here's the first critter. Enjoy.
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_0640.jpg)
A nice Blacktail Buck. I am no expert by the way :thumbsup:
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_0639.jpg)
The red dot is where I would send my arrow.
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I like the spot you aimed for. I would wait for the deer to turn it's head away for the shot. That deer is close enough to looking straight at you to pick up your draw movement, go on high alert and jump the string. Or just bolt out of there before you can shoot.
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I had this similar shot from 15 yds. arrow entered between the 3rd/4th rib from the back and the broadhead was sticking out the front of the far shoulder. I'd take it again in a heart beat ....... at a comfortable range!
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Pass on that one by the spread of his back legs as soon as his head turns he will be walking to the left and you will have no shot. and he looks to be about a second from going high tail and spoting you.
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yep. I would use the opposite leg as a reference.
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Ryan no fair if YOU pick the best spot :) I like the angle, I like the "in range" distance, and as long as he isn't looking at me I am dropping the string.
So I am at anchor and seeing my "spot" and hoping that arrow punches a hole in that offside shoulder.
Now the most important questions: 2 Blade or 3 blade sticking out that shoulder :p
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"You call the Shot"
I would pass, until He turned his head or drop it to feed. I would also wait for him to turn his body for a better broadside. For Me I don't like that hard angle.. I want a 100% double lunge or double lunge Heart shot...
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I think that deer needs some food. He is too hungry to jump the string.
BTW, your spot looks perfect to me!
God Bless,
Nathan
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Mike it depends which one I pull out of my quiver. I'm equal opportunity :)
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Like the others I wouldn't shoot because his head is turned towards me and if he turns right the little branches will ruin the shot. If he turns left and walks straight away no good. Only good shot is if he either turns his head forward and stands still or turns 90 degrees to the left.
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This shot angle would work for me , only I would like for him to turn his head,unless he is wearing my bifocals. I not that good, to fool him.Maxx
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I would probably pass on this one. Hes alomost looking straight at me and the brush and fence in front, would probably make me wait for another shot.
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This shot angle would work for me , only I would like for him to turn his head,unless he is wearing my bifocals. I not that good, to fool him.Maxx
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Don't shoot! Just follow him for a little ways, cause he's about to drop on his own! I'd say from starvation by the looks of it!
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Im already at full draw , that is why he is looking at me, he heard something ;) arrow is away to the red spot.
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I wouldn't take the shot, too risky an angle and he's looking at you. My way of thinking is:
Alert deer + tough angle = midnight in the swamp
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Originally posted by wtpops:
Im already at full draw , that is why he is looking at me, he heard something ;) arrow is away to the red spot.
yep
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I would never take that shot. Deer is alerted and is going to move. When he moves a bad angle gets way worse. If you do hit him it most likely isn't going to kill him quickly.
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Alrighty Shot #2
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/Shot3before.jpg)
I know its quatering to a bit, but it's a coyote, and just about any arrow is going to punch through the little bugger, and , well it's a coyote. If you got this close, you'd better make the most of the opportunity (which I didn't on this dog :) And this is assuming he'll be in the same place when the arrow gets there LOL!
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/Shot3after.jpg)
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i don't like that angle very much since hes actully standing straight away, but since he turned to look at the does over my shoulder from me he apears to be quartering wich creats an inside quartering shot,( very tight ) and im not sure i can clear that barbwire without raising off my seat a little, if he does jump the string he's gonna drop and roll away from me, so i better aim just a bit lower than the the spot you picked. (if he's still there after i thought that much about it...........hmmmmmm.....he looks kinda sick anyway i guess i'l let him go).
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id take that shot on the yote, 3-4 more steps.
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I'd definitely pass on the buck. Don't like the angle or the fact that he looks pretty ready to bolt at the first sound. I'd take the shot on the coyote right where you have the dot. When he hit the next open hole.
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I'd take the shot on the coyote, right
where you have your dot cause if he's moveing you will still be in the lungs.
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I would wait on the buck and the coyote. The red dot is right on both, but I don't like the angle on the buck; too easy to get ka-ka on you. That's one skinny blacktail. California? The coyote is moving and is about to be perfect.
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Pat yep Cali, during the rut. With no bucks in that state you can understand why that poor guy is so skinny. That's a lot of ground and a lot of does to cover! LOL!!
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I wouldn't shoot in either situation. Too much chance of something going wrong in both cases.
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Better don't shoot that buck less you know the guy owning the property on the other side of that fence.....pretty dirty on that yote, but the spot looks good.
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The yote has to get to that last opening(about 3 steps more) and then by by.
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I would look just a little lower on the shoulder of that yote. I want his shoulder broke and the arrow through his heart. Quartering to on a thin boned animal is ok in my book, especially a coyote or say a fox. Not a deer or bigger for sure!
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r296/wapiti792/Shot3before.jpg)
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Ok, I may get flamed but I would let the yote take two steps and make a head shot. A heavy arrow and grizzly broadhead will pin him to the ground. a miss will be just that a clean miss. If I hit him back it is a spine or neck shot. Any hit I make will kill him. Waiting for the two steps puts him in a clear shooting lane. At that range the coyote will soon be a quiver.
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Too many things to go wrong at such a severe angle quartering away for me.
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I'd probably take the shot at the buck. The pic does not really tell how alerted he is. If I come to full draw and he does not move or redirect his sight to me specifically, the arrow is on the way to the red spot!
The yote is just that, a yote. Really depends on whether you or your neighbors are losing part of your livlihood to yotes or not! Would come to full draw and shoot at the red spot when he stepped clear of the limbs. Notice that there is another limb in the apparent open spot in front of him that does not show well cause it's out of focus.
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The yote I would drop the string on in a heartbeat.
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Both shots I'd shoot a hair lower. Would wait for the deer to turn away first as it's on high alert in the pic.
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The coyote is much to pretty. would hate to get blood stains all over his coat :rolleyes:
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I would have to wait for a better angle or see what the buck is going to do before shooting. The shot is possible if he was relaxed and looking away but he looks awful alarmed.
Mike nailed it on the coyote always shoot a little lower on them buggers they are so fast.
But you already knew that didn't you bud :bigsmyl: That sure was a fun morning.
Tracy
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I'd take the shot on the buck, but I would probably aim a little higher, maybe an inch, that's it.
He does look a little under the weather though.
The yote is toast.
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I would shoot at that buck in a heartbeat! I think your arrow placement is perfect. The last two bucks I shot were an 8 pt. and a large 10 pt. Both deer were looking directly at me as I drew down on them. Neither buck ducked the arrow.
I know this isn't common, but it has worked well for me. I can't begin to guess why they didn't spook. Sometimes I think if we wait them out that the shot will present itself, and sometimes it does. I only know what has worked for me.
Bernie Bjorklund
NC Iowa/SW Wisconsin
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Head shots on yotes have worked extremely well for me in the past. I don't pass on one.
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The Coyote, well its a coyote, nuff said!
Going back to the first one, the deer, (sorry I'm a little behind), I'd have to pass, at that angle, coming in between 2 ribs would not allow for the arrow to get through both lungs. At best you could get into the second one, but coming in at that angle there would be little chance of an exit wound and the blood trail would be sparse, I'd have to wait............
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So.... What exactly IS a Ka-Ka?? :confused:
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Originally posted by mysticguido:
"You call the Shot"
I would pass, until He turned his head or drop it to feed. I would also wait for him to turn his body for a better broadside. For Me I don't like that hard angle.. I want a 100% double lunge or double lunge Heart shot...
Ditto! (for the deer)
Not saying taking the shot would be a bad thing. Just saying I would probably wait for a step or two to get him just a tad more broadside.
I would shoot the yote in that position in a heartbeat and probably lower than the red dot and a tad higher than the black dot. I would hope since he is walking that by the time I drew he would have taken two steps though and be clear of that limb.
Bisch
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Originally posted by Mike Gerardi:
yep. I would use the opposite leg as a reference.
Same here...your red dot is right on Ryan!
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I would wait for the buck to present a little better angle. JMO I have seen things go bad in a hurry and spent all night in the woods LOL
I would wait on the yote to come a couple more steps and take a head shot.
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Red dot is right on! again I'm assuming I'm at full draw and with the coyote at what looks to be around 10yards, he's a dead dog.
The Deer, I''m shocked someone would think you wouldn't get an exit wound on that skinny little deer at that angle. I made that shot on a 200+ lb white-tail , and I was shooting my light bow because of a back injury, a 49lb recurve (54lb @ my draw) and my broadhead was sticking out his the front of his opposite shoulder.....Lungs and Heart, he went 60 yards. @ 15yards, if I'm at full draw and the deer looks at me, I'll win the speed contest. If he looks at me mid draw, or sooner....well I've lost. Even have a portion of it on vid.
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Red dot on the buck looks perfect, as I always shoot for the "Off Shoulder"...
Experience has shown me a 580 gn arrow tipped with a sharp 250 VPA 3 blade driven by a 55# Kwyk Styk at that distance will have little or no problem making two holes
I may pause a bit, while "at or near full draw", to see if he'd turn a little to see if there was a bit of fat on him anywhere... Hard to make a meal of horns and bone. If he did not look a little better at a different angle, I'd pass on him hoping for something in a bit better condition.
There again, at my age a "good hunt" is not about the kill.... I learned years ago. "The work starts once they are on the Ground". If I have to work to get it out, it better be good "table fare".
The coyote and red dot are fine with me ... just a couple more steps :wavey:
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steadman,
if you dont mind, id have a pic to go on with.
So, heres a big european wild boar:
(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/g_reiner/DSCF3637.jpg)
and this is where i would wanna place my arrow:
(http://i711.photobucket.com/albums/ww119/g_reiner/DSCF3637-dot.jpg)
What you think?
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Perfect spot Axel. This slight quartering arrow may hit the offside leg (notice the right leg position) & likely stick or break it. I shoot at the bottom left of the red dot for the heart & prefer just a bit more quartering for passthroughs. Dead hog either way.
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Man I like that fat piggy! I like that spot better!
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I am no expert on hogs especially, but that's where I'd put an arrow too Axel. :thumbsup:
That's a big pig!