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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: zipper bowss on January 01, 2012, 06:14:00 PM
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We are going to be working on a website for Grizzly. grizzlybroadheads.com is the domain we just bought.It will be a week or so before that domain name will be up.
This is were you guys come in.
*I need suggestions of anything you would like to see on the sight.(there will be no buy it now button we do not take paypal)
* Your success pictures (again it makes no differece the size of the critter.)
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A tutorial on sharpening them would probably be handy. Really glad you've stepped up on this endeavor Bill!
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:thumbsup: Excellent suggestion!! That one is for sure on the to do list.I think with the new grind guys will be very surprised how easy they sharpen up!
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Magus beat me to it.Maybe get Ron from KME to film the tutorial. Ron could sharpen anything!
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That was the reason I gave up on them. I will be trying your new ones most definitely!!!
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Originally posted by Recurve50 LBS:
Magus beat me to it.Maybe get Ron from KME to film the tutorial. Ron could sharpen anything!
X2
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Gee I thought, Buy It Now meant it is in stock and not back-ordered. Hate that word, backorder.
SALE Items, Description (weight, size, Left or right, color), Screw-in heads and Traditional heads, Sharpening method & tools. You could include Kevelar gloves for anyone that is afraid to get the heads really sharp. You can also use the gloves for skinning and cleaning. Cabelas sells them. Good luck.
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RON WHO?! :biglaugh:
Ron would be my first choice also.
*sharpening demo.
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If you aren't going to sell them retail, a list of dealers would be helpful. As a buyer and seller, I find PayPal to be great.
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Good point Rick! We will sell retail as well.Just not through paypal
* Dealer list
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A bragging page, where we can post pictures and short stories about how the broadheads performed in the field.
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what is the best way to get you success photos?
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2011 190 el grande
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/005-10.jpg)
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/002-15.jpg)
2010 190 el grande
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/011-1.jpg)
2009 145gr.
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/003-1.jpg)
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Of course the mandatory left wing, left bevel and vice versa info.
I think some pics of the cut of a single bevel vs a double bevel and a 3 blade would be interesting and instructive.
I am getting ready to retool my whole bowhunting setup this year and thought I would start with the 190 El Grande and work my way backwards to the bow. :)
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* bevel selection (Left or right)
* Explain the S shaped cut
* a link to customers broadhead performance testamonial and success stories
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Of course the mandatory left wing, left bevel and vice versa info.
I think some pics of the cut of a single bevel vs a double bevel and a 3 blade would be interesting and instructive.
I am getting ready to retool my whole bowhunting setup this year and thought I would start with the 190 El Grande and work my way backwards to the bow. :)
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I was hoping for a better grind.That will make all the difference in the world and I believe,lead to more sales.
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i use right bevel.here are pics of an entrance and exit.
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/015-1.jpg)
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/013-1.jpg)
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Explanation of why single bevels work so well, and a link to Dr. Ashby's reports.
A little history of the head. It has a pretty interesting history from its designer up to you taking it over.
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double post
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* I will have to get permission from Dr. Ashby but a link to his work would be great!
* Grizzly history (great idea)
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-I would offer them KME sharp, I noticed Braveheart sells Tuskers KME sharp. I finally can sharpen my heads scary sharp but a year ago I would of gladly paid to have them delivered hunt ready.
-The newer Grizzlys I bought have a better grind than the older ones that is real nice.
- You could offer screw in version.
and I would use Chad's pics as my advertisement WOW that's a hole!
Good luck I will order as soon as available
ED
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I agree with Balding Eagle... history would be cool... as I'm a bit prejudiced with Harry being from my hometown...
Jonathan
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Screw in versions most definatly. Pre sharpend hunt ready a good idea also.
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I like to use Zwickey glue-on heads for the wood arrows I use with my longbow. For my recurve I like to use Zwickey screw-in heads. It is just convenient to be able to buy the "same head" in both glue-on and screw-in.
I have thought for a long time that Grizzly was making a mistake by not offering a screw-in head.
IMHO.
Bill
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I would consider selling KME broadhead sharpeners on the site. I would also consider having various weights of brass and steel inserts for sale in the site as well. I find it annoying to buy broadheads on one site, inserts on another, and a sharpener on another. You have pay shipping three times when one site could sell me all of the items you need for your heads with with one shipping fee.
I would do some destruction testing - shooting into concrete blocks, dense wood, rocks - and show pictures of the heads with before and after shots. Some shots of Dr. Ashby's testing with bones that were split or shots of deer scapula, hog scapula, or elk scapula shot the same way would be good.
I am looking forward to buying some of the new heads to try out this coming season.
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Originally posted by michigan bill:
I like to use Zwickey glue-on heads for the wood arrows I use with my longbow. For my recurve I like to use Zwickey screw-in heads. It is just convenient to be able to buy the "same head" in both glue-on and screw-in.
I have thought for a long time that Grizzly was making a mistake by not offering a screw-in head.
IMHO.
Bill
No offense intended, but it's not that hard to glue in and adapter. I too use the same heads with wood and aluminum or carbon. I usually need to add some weight with aluminum or carbon anyway, so the additional weight of the adapter is no big deal. You can get adapters all the way from 32 grain aluminum to 125 grain steel with a multitude of weights in between so tuning is less of an issue than if you have to just buy a screw in broadhead that is going to be whatever weight it is. I also like being able to orient my broadheads to suit me. Turning the insert in a carbon is not always so easy.
A screw-in Grizzly is just going to be a Grizzly that had the adapter glued in at the factory. To get a 150 grain screw in to match a 150 glue on, the size of the broadhead has to be reduced to make up for the adapter weight, so you won't be shooting identical heads anyway.
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What is the widest cutting Grizzly that will be offered? I'm getting use to shooting wide broadheads (1 3/4" or so). Thanks!
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Allready modifed el grande would be great.
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How about a grizzly with a grizzly? Got one of those with a one yard recovery so a blood trail didn't mean much!
Wish I would have spent a bit more time looking at the holes to verify (or not) any "S" cuts.
CG's deer sure doesn't have a slit!
I've killed my coastal brown ("griz"), a muskox, and one Kauai goat with 160's.
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I think a screw in version is a mistake.One of the big advantages to a glue on broadhead is the versatility of combining the glue on head with various weight adapters and you can even add lead in the ferrule ahead of the adapter when needed.
Another advantage of the glue on head is,if you already have arrows with inserts epoxied in,you can still orient your broadhead vertical,horizontal or any way you like,at the time you glue them on the adapter-of your choice.
The ferrules on the newer Grizzlys are accurate and true,making mounting so much easier than the former model.
Some want a 25 gr adapter.Some want 42,others 75,100 or 125 grs.That's a lot of combinations for a broadhead maker to stock.
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* Custom options
1) adapters installed
2) presharpened heads
* Accessories
1) sharpeners
2) weighted inserts
3) steel adapters
4) Maybe some snazzy t-shirts
Steve could you send me some pictures for the website?
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I'm on board with a KME sharpened broadhead as well. The deer in my avatar was shot with s 190 El Grande. Looking foward to the new site. :thumbsup:
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Was needing some new 160's this year. Where would I find the newer Grizzlys.
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I know this won't happen with the Grizzly line but I'd like to see the ferrule made in a larger diameter to utilize most or all of an adapter's length. Just a nit picky thing I guess..
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Originally posted by Pat B.:
I know this won't happen with the Grizzly line but I'd like to see the ferrule made in a larger diameter to utilize most or all of an adapter's length. Just a nit picky thing I guess..
I obviously haven't tried the Thunder Valley version yet, but my 160 grain, left bevel El Grandes just have that bottom 1/16" or so sticking out, which is pretty much the same diameter as my inserts. They fit the same as my Zwickeys, Woodsman, and Snuffers. I guess I never tried the regular Grizzlies. Are they different, Pat? If so, just give the El Grandes a try.
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JimB has some interesting points (no pun intended) but there is a bit of "talent" in not only sharpening heads, but mounting screw in inserts!
Not everyone does it so they spin well. If the mfg provided screw in were spin balanced, that would aid more folks having better flying heads.
Having different weight heads with inserts, would provide some variance as to total weight desired in a screw in.
As for other comments about orienting by gluing onto a screw in insert: Help! When I orient and mount... spin balance, etc... then later take off that head to spiff up the edge and re-screw on, it NEVER seems to orient the way it came off!
How DO you do that? :) Thanks!
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Doc,I dry fit my parts,get my broadhead oriented as I like(horizontal)and mark the shaft at the back of the blade.In my case I have an aluminum footing so I make a small"witness mark"on the footing,behind the back edge of the blade
When I mount the broadhead on the adapter,get it seated and spinning true,I double check against the mark to make sure the blade's orientation hasn't changed.
It is also important that the adapter stays tightly screwed in or the witness mark means nothing.For this reason,anytime I turn the broadhead past the mark,I have to go round again,clockwise,till I get on the mark.This assures not backing out the adapter.
I then set them aside while the epoxy finishes curing,making sure nothing can bump the head.After,I engrave a small number on the broadhead and footing with a cheap engraver.This may sound like too much but it takes seconds.If I want to remove several broadheads and use field points or blunts or to refletch,I can get the broadhead back on the arrow that it was spin tested and oriented for.
Without a reference mark,it is too easy for something to get moved before you set the arrow down.If you look closely,there is a small,silver,hash mark in the aluminum footing,just behind the blade.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/jbrandenburg/P1010878.jpg)
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The farrel size is 11/32 and that will not be changing. It would require reworking the dies.
30coupe Thunder Valley does not have any connection with Grizzly broadheads. They are now producing the Magnus line.
Imagine putting a few thousand inserts into broadheads.Then testing everyone of them to be sure they spin perfectly.That my friend would take up a lot of time. That is why I think it will be handled as a custom option instead of a stock item. Then we will only have to deal with exactly what the customer wants.
Keep the pictures coming folks! :thumbsup:
Bill
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Doe antelope liver shot with a 200 gr Grizzly.35 yd recovery.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/jbrandenburg/Hunting2010227.jpg)
Buck antelope shot through the humerus with a 190 Grizzly,40 yd recovery.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/jbrandenburg/2009Antelope10MP018.jpg)
A KME sharpened 200 gr Grizzly.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/jbrandenburg/BearTakedown061.jpg)
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A good grind is a great asset, but I don't want to pay the extra cost for a hunt ready sharpened head. Call me cheap, but the first thing I'm gonna do after mounting the head is take it out and shoot the sharp edge off it checking arrow flight and in practice. I can't imagine mounting a broadhead and heading for the woods without first checking the arrow's flight and sharpening it.
It might be a challenge to satisfy us all, Bill. :D
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the bucks i posted were all shot with the same broadhead.this is the head from the first picture the buck was taken christmas eve morning,quartering away shot@10yds went through a rib and lodged in the off shoulder the deer ran 40yds..i wiped the broadhead off and made this video.
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/th_013-3.jpg) (http://s785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/?action=view¤t=013-3.mp4)
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How about a free case of Bud Light with each 3pac of grizzlys? Sorry Bill, you know me though, I like a deal when I can get one. I'm glad you are running with this ball. I think you'll do just fine. Don
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Chad, How did you get them so sharp?? I switched to a 3 blade cuz I couldn't sharpen the grizzly's well enough. I'd consider switching back if the new ones sharpen better. Fred
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1/4 away, that's where the link to Ron and KME will be a great assest. Ron helped me get my Grizzlys shaving sharp last summer. If I can do it anyone can.
~Bona
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Bona, I agree. I was just wondering what method Chad uses. Fred
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Originally posted by Fletcher:
A good grind is a great asset, but I don't want to pay the extra cost for a hunt ready sharpened head. Call me cheap, but the first thing I'm gonna do after mounting the head is take it out and shoot the sharp edge off it checking arrow flight and in practice. I can't imagine mounting a broadhead and heading for the woods without first checking the arrow's flight and sharpening it.
Grizzlys are harder than the hinges of hades! I hope that doesn't change.
When Ron would buy blanks back in the early days of KME, he told me he ground the bevel on one and sharpened it..left other side blank. it sat in his shop in a coffee can... shaving sharp for many moons...and rusted.
He took cardboard and stropped off the rust and it still popped hair on his arm!!!
That is what good, hard steel will do...hold an edge.
Now... to your point of Pre-Ground bevel.
Many of us, me included, are 'sharpening impaired."
Shoot! I started "Can't Sharpen Shix International" as founder and past president!
here's the thing...with good steel, once the bevel is set, you can shoot it all you want...then it will touch up with little work.
I happen to be an advocate of the KME systems. I have both: knife and broad head sharpener. Only thing I can use to get consistently sharp things!
Once that bevel is set to say 25*, using the BH Pro (also 25* angle) putting that edge back following Ron's detailed instructions, working thru a couple stones and a few passes over cardboard... it takes longer to type and put the head in the clamp than it does to get it resharpened to incredible levels!
Just another view and $.02. :)
If you're blessed and can run a blade or head over a file over and over at the exact same angle like some guys I've observed, then indeed, you'd not care... but if you match the bevel already on it... you can shoot it a good bit and in 5 min, have it back to hair curling (not just shaving, but splitting hairs lengthwise) sharp!
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these are older heads and they need a bit of tlc to get them shaving sharp.i use a file and change the angle as best as i can to 25 degrees until i have a burr along the entire edge,then use a medium and fine stone to work the burr back and forth until it comes off until it shaves the paper.i think the new heads will be alot less work to sharpen.
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I would like you to sell the popular weight inserts, some quality cements, and field points to match the finished weight broadheads.This is simply a convenience thing to avoid multiple orders on small items.
Thanks for asking about the customer concerns.
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Originally posted by stalkin4elk:
I would like you to sell the popular weight inserts, some quality cements, and field points to match the finished weight broadheads.This is simply a convenience thing to avoid multiple orders on small items.
Thanks for asking about the customer concerns.
That sure would be convenient!
Please don't make them too "easy" to sharpen. I love Grizzly heads and hate to see them become "new and improved". There are plenty of step-by-step sharpening tutorials out there. They've got to be the simplest of heads to get sharp.
Griz "S" cut...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w49/molson410/HeartShot-1.jpg)
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My apologies !!!
I have a sample of one Grizzly that Ron at KME sent me a year or so ago.. It seems to have a small ferrule. Glad to hear that is not the case with production Grizzlies, I'm going to order some .
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No apology necessary Pat. :thumbsup:
:biglaugh: I dont think I have the right license for that one Don.
I'm with you Rick. After mounting any broadhead its time to head to the target. Just to be sure.
Great example Molson.
I like that video Chad.
Keep it coming guys. We have lots of space to fill.
The aim of the grizzly site will be to make it simialar to the Zipper site.What I mean by that is make it your site. The guys using the heads.Sure I still get the bill for the website but I want it to be a place with lots of useful info. Not just info though. Your stories and pictures. Your sharpening tips. Your grizzly broadhead experiences. Know what I mean? Some place you want to spend some time and check often.
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Hey Bill, how about a "TEST KIT" of Grizzlies so a person could try several sizes at once to decide what he/she wants?
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Here's a couple pics for you guys...
The originator with an original 160 grizzly...
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r233/twigflicker/Harry%20Elbug/he.jpg)
and a close up of the head and signature...
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r233/twigflicker/Harry%20Elbug/griz.jpg)
Jonathan
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Bill...I know its probably not in the cards....but I would LOVE to see an el grande a quarter of an inch wider.
I'm a big fan of muli blades and WIDE 2 blades...and I think the wide el grande would be great for big shielded board and larger leakage holes.
Glad to see someone carrying on the tourch for the Grizzes either way!!!
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I wouldn't mind seeing a future model with a wider head and the Griz length either.
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Snazzy T Shirt :clapper:
Sell sharpening stones as wide as broadheads are long. I thought I read KME was going to start selling them but have not seen em yet.
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"4) Maybe some snazzy t-shirts" :biglaugh:
"Grizzly El Grande" - no one in my neck of the woods that sees the shirt would have a clue - tequila, a monster chalupa, or a cigar?
Looking forward to the site.
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Bill, will you have a link on the Zipper site that will take you to the Grizzly site and vica versa?
Joe
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Good luck look forward to having them again.
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Hey Bill, would a one piece have to be the current glue on head + adapter or is a one piece screw in on the table? A one piece screw-in el grande would be sweet and replace the 3 blade VPAs on my arrows next fall (to be shot outta that sweet bow you built me). Never been a fan of mounting to adapters...too much glue, too many unnecessary variables when machined one piece heads are readily available. Look forward to seeing what you do with the new venture and congrats again on the purchase.
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Glad to hear you're going to keep the grizzlies coming Bill. Personally don't see the need to change anything with them but I'm not the one selling them either :) Good fortune with your venture.
Heres a B&C bear taken in Manitoba with a RW grizz,steel insert. Finished head weight 250gr (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v488/Shortbldtr/Manitoba%202010/IMG_1263.jpg)
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Are the new Grizzlies available now?
If not! Any idea when they might be?
Thanks
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Bill,the best feature everyone is looking for is a scary sharp BH easy to resharp,and from what I am understanding you are set on that,you can offer the option screw in,since some guys like that,then make the El Grande and you are set.Right price,good business.Nothing more.
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Hi Bill,
I would include alot of the "graphic" photos to show the results of single bevel s type cuts to go along with Ashby report just because you still see questions regarding the report and the effect the head produces.As tastefully as you can Im sure. Pics are worth a thousand words as they say.
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150 El Grande with 100 grain steel adapter.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w266/MGERARDI_2007/2010doe.jpg)
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test kit? We have talked about that and it may end up being an option.
twigflicker That is a nice picture Harry.He is the man I need to be talking to when it comes time to get the history down. Do you think he would be interested in talking with me?
I know what you are saying Terry. I have had a few others request a wider head in the Big Grizz length. For now it is not an option. My plate runneth over. :D My main concern right now is to get the demand met and get a good supply of stock broadheads. Not to mention keep my bow customers happy. It has been an interesting fall around our shop.
Ron's name and KME keep coming up and for good reason. Not to worry folks, Ron and I have already talked and plans are being made to bring some great sharpening options to the Grizzly line. It all just takes time and that is in short supply for all of us.
We will have links between the two sites.
Some Grizzly heads will be available around the end of the month.
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To make a Grizzly a screw on head will require an adapter being glued in. These heads are made on a punch press. To make them a solid piece screw in would require the heads to be made on a CNC.
As usual Felix. You are absolutely right! :thumbsup:
Keep the pictures coming guys. That is what we need.
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Any chance of a stainless steel head?
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i think you should take a page out of ecilpse broadheads book, and quote ashby saying how great your broadhead is
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You ever get them wider Bill, and I'll be getting some! Glad to see them up and going. Good luck!!
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/scan0010.jpg)
Here's a CO whitetail I took with a 160
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h160/steadman_2006/IMG_0096.jpg)
A UT bear taken with a 150 el grande
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Gotcha Bill. Wasn't sure whether you'd be keeping the process the same or move to a cnc'd head like the vpa's you were selling. I suppose keeping it as is will enable you to keep a good price point on the grizzly's.
I suppose I can try em with an adapter so I can give you my money :goldtooth:
You gonna have some to peddle in kzoo?
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Every chance Bill but it will be next year at the earliest. We have plans for a Super Grizzly. It will be stainless with some other exta special features. Thats all I have to say about that.
We will have some for Kalamazoo. :thumbsup:
Thanks for the pictures Ryan!
I know there are alot more pictures of game taken with Grizzly broadheads. :dunno:
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Here is a black coyote that I took with 160 grizzly several years ago. The pic is fuzzy because it's a pic of a picture. If it's something you would like to use I'll see about getting the picture scaned and put on disc. That should clear it up.
(http://i1119.photobucket.com/albums/k632/arrowman2/UEFOC121.jpg)
Troy
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LW option on all weight heads
Tanto tips
KME sharpened
GPS & Laser guidance so they are "Smart Grizzlys" LOL
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1/4 I switched to grizzly because I can't sharpen 3 blades. Want some vpa bh's.
Fedora
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1/4 I switched to grizzly because I can't sharpen 3 blades. Want some vpa bh's.
Fedora
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Griz 190...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w49/molson410/011.jpg)
Griz 190 "L" shaped hole from the inside out. Note the piece of rib popped off to the left. No slit with the Griz!!
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w49/molson410/ArrowGroups002-1.jpg)
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This is the exit wound.The 190 Grizzly smashed through the humerus on entry and the head just protruded through the opposite shoulder.The buck ran 40 yds,full tilt and piled up.
My two quickest antelope kills were with KME sharpened Grizzlys.
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a140/jbrandenburg/2009Antelope5MP013.jpg)
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Got my KME for Christmas. Now, I just need some of those new Grizzlies. Hope you have them at the BBTC. I probably won't be able to wait that long! ;)
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Thanks for the pictures.
Any one else have any picturest to share?
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Believe it or not, I like the Grizzly Leathers shooting glove. Are you going to carry that line also?
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It would be great if you could also get steal adaptors to mount the Grizzly BH on to from your sight. In 75gr to 125gr. I like on stop shopping.
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Woke up at 5 am this morning and with nothing else to do until my daughters field hockey practice I put this together.
http://grizzlybroadheads.com/
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Sharp looking home page TJ! Looks like Bill and Tracy will be on the cutting edge with this one! :bigsmyl: :thumbsup:
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Wow TJ!, just slapped it together huh? Looks great.
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Atta boy TJ :thumbsup: You do awesome work!
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I got in on this sort of late, but there are a couple things that I would enjoy
1. video or description of how they are made. I am not talking about divulging proprietary secrets but just something explaining the steps. I am really curious how you guys make lots of broadheads that are all consistent.
2. I think broadhead tests are awesome. Just video or pics of broadheads being shot into various items. Cement bricks, frozen milk jugs, etc... I dont mean necesarrily to compare them to other heads I just am always amazed what will and wont destroy a head.
3. Might also be cool to have a section on modifications that guys do and how they worked out?
C
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My first traditional deer. Grizzly 160 sharpened on KME.
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/imskippy/trailcamera361.jpg)
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y249/imskippy/trailcamera362.jpg)
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Bill-
I for one love the Grizzly heads, but always struggled with how to finish the tip of the head...I would like to see a close-up pic or two of the tip of a finished hunt ready head.
Travis
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Originally posted by House:
Bill-
I for one love the Grizzly heads, but always struggled with how to finish the tip of the head...I would like to see a close-up pic or two of the tip of a finished hunt ready head.
Travis
X2 on tip pic and maybe some advise
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Nice work, TJ.
I'm starting to fidget a bit now. My order is in for a bow and I'll be getting some Bheads as well. They'll be going on a set of Snag's Surewoods that I'll have him make up as the bow gets closer.
Man, Bill and Tracy, any time to sleep?
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i hope these help!
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/004-10.jpg)
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/003-17.jpg)
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/002-18.jpg)
(http://i785.photobucket.com/albums/yy138/chopperziggy/001-19.jpg)
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Here's another Griz kill, fresh this morning, 200 gr ElGrande left bevel. My first single bevel kill and I am impressed; the hole in her liver was huge. About an 80 yd recovery and she was down quickly.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v450/Fletcher610/Hunts%202011/doe4.jpg)
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Fletcher,it's funny you should say that.The second antelope I killed with a grizzly was the 200 gr and a liver shot and the channel through the liver was a measured,2" wide.I had never seen that before.I'm determined now to pay more attention.I didn't check the first antelope internally.That liver shot antelope was my shortest recovery on an antelope out of 8.
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Got it Rick thanks and congrats.
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Thank you Chad for posting that tip picture.Very helpful.
Good looking doe Rick. :thumbsup:
Tom it's just been one long day since October.Things should smooth out in the next couple of months.
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Standard 160 Grizz broadhead with 100 grain steel adapter, Arrow dynamics arrow, 60lb @28 recurve. One arrow through two hogs, then burried in the dirt 4 inches. Leathal head.
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w266/MGERARDI_2007/62bae7ac.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w266/MGERARDI_2007/44e0ea8d.jpg)
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w266/MGERARDI_2007/ae54f391.jpg)
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Thanks Rick that is exactly what I needed
Ed
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Tip I use
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How about selling a good quality broadhead storage box for a dozen and maybe a smaller field version for six. Make them foam filled,rattle free, with quality closures, and tall enough to hold the 3 inchers plus inserts vertically.Put a cool logo like your website on it.
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Bill, I sent a few pics on to TJ, hopefully he received them.
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(A crappy 2 blade blood trail)
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That is a really cool pic with the claw
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Got them Steve thanks brother. Those are fantastic.
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Yes very cool pic.
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Bill,
I like the color coding the previous manufactuer used. Is that your plan or will all weights be the same finish?
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Great pictures Steve!! :thumbsup:
Mike your hog pictures shows the S pretty well.Thanks!
The broadheads are color coded still.
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Put a grizzley 190 through a deer last night and almost cut the leg off on the other side. I was hunting with l82hunt and shooting a yew selfbow. Razor sharp broadhead+shor placement equals dead.
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Bill,
Here's a Grizz 160 kill.
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Just revisiting this thread....I hear ya....just keep that suggestion in the back of your mind AND on the drawing board.
Also, I'll try and call you tomorrow.....got another suggestion for you to increase sales of existing heads if possible.
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1 1/4" wide option sure would be a seller, I believe.
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The regular grizzly is 1 1/8" wide.
The big Grizzly "Kodiak" (formerly called El Grande) is 1 1/4" wide.
The width increased when Shawn changed the dies so that the steel went all the way across the back edge.
Thanks for the pictures! :thumbsup:
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Very glad to see this.
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Great pics! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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1 1/4 in wide you say? Maybe the big griz should be called the "muy grande"
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My El Grandes all measure right at 1 1/8" when new. Maybe they lose a bit in the grind process. If you can keep them at 1 1/4", that would be great. I will say that even at 1 1/8", the hole they cut is much wider. :eek:
Bill, I'll be looking for some more 200's at K'zoo. :pray:
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Im all for 1 1/4 as well some places one cant legally hunt with broadheads under 1 1/8 so after sharpening them lightly one would quickly end up with a bit less.
Just to add to the sharpening conversation. Ironically i use a wet grinder from grizzly.com
http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Grinder-Sharpener/T10097
one can come by this grinder for $80 and it will do knives as well.
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My newer,200 gr Grizzlies are exactly 1 3/16" wide,not 1 1/4".I could resharpen these for years without losing 1/16" of width.
Not a bad rule but at least in the States,I doubt many States have a 1 1/8" requirement.
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If I remember right Dr. Ashby tested two different hardness Grizzlies originally. A 44 and an over 50. what is the hardness of these new ones. I may need to get a KME system. Also, if my memory serves me, his original was test one using a modified 190 grain head, 7/8", were any full width heads ever tested. I have always been a little confused by this since the ole Deadhead tested almost as well. I am not so sure that the last newer Grizzlies we got, need to be narrower to penetrate. My wife got a pass through with a 38 pound bow and a super blood trail. I should have taken pictures, but I had no camera. After two seasons of resharpening they are 1&1/16" wide. The hole was bigger than the width of the head, I kind of like the narrower profile for short arrows and light bows.
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Are they or will they be teflon coated?
I'd like to see one 1 1/16" wide if possible.
Ref pre sharpened; A great idea, but keep the basic head available for those of us who prefer economy over conveniance.
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any new information on Grizzly broadheads?
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We will have Grizzly broadheads at Kalamazoo. As soon as the show is over we will get the heads we have left to the dealers.
Bill
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Gonna get me more of the best head of all time.
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You guys able to go to Kalamazoo please leave some for the rest of us!!!
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I got some of the new Kodiak’s from 3rivers in the mail yesterday. Took them out of the pack and gave them a good "look over" .... They looked like death waiting to happen!!! :thumbsup:
I just mounted one on an adaptor last night. She was spinning tight on the first try. During lunch I put the Kodiak on a 2219 and let her fly a few times....
Now, I have heard people say that this bh and that bh fly better then my fieldpoints. I never really put too much faith into that comment. I do now!!! They are the best flying head I have ever shot without a doubt. I would even venture to say that they fly better then my fieldpoints :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
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I was hoping we would be getting some feed back soon.
Bill
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Are the dimensions of the Kodiak 160 vs 200 grain really the same? They are listed as such on a mail order website. I do not see how they can be the same dimensions but 40 grain difference in weight?
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The Kodiak 200 and the Kodiak 160 are the same demensions. The Grizzly 160 is smaller than the Kodiak 160.
The weight difference is from different thicknesses of the steel used.
Bill
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Bill, what are the dimension differences between the Grizzly 140 and the Kodiak 160? When will the Kodiak 160's be available again? I think that's one I want to try also.Thanks, Mike :thumbsup:
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owlbait check out three rivers and kustom king websites I believe they both have them available. Bill is there a site for the heads yet or will you include them on the zipper site only? What are your plans there?
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Thanks Ron. I found the dimensions on the 3Rivers site. I think I am going to order a pack of the 160 Kodiak. Just a bit longer and wider.
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I just took another batch of broadheads (3000)to be brazed on tuesday. There are 500 Kodiak 160's in that batch. Just a small run of Kokiak 160's to see how much intrest there really is in that weight. The rest of the 3000 are 200 grain Kodiaks and 160 grain Grizzly. We are running the rest of the Grizzly weights next week. These heads should be ready by the end of March or early April.
The Grizzly website (grizzlybroadheads.com) will be up after we have some heads in stock. There will also be links from the Zipper site. There is still alot of work to do on the Grizzly site. Needless to say the website is not the main priority right now.
Kustom King,3 Rivers, Emerald Archery,Lost Nation and The Footed Shaft have SOME Grizzly heads now.I have a few packs also but only 130 grain and 120 grian.
Bill
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So, if we want the 160 Kodiak to continue, we better make some orders happen! I'm placing mine!
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I'll be gettin some of the K 160's I like the big hole but dont always need the extra weight.
Bill is the Kodiak with 1.25"?
Eric
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Yes
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I just went to the 3 Rivers website and they are out of the Kodiak 160's...Bill, anyone else have them yet?
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No one has had any Kodiak 160's.The short first run did not have any Kodiak 160's.I was under the impression that the Kodiak 160’s were not very popular. They were discontinued. We have had enough people ask about them that we decided to do a limited run and test the waters ourselves. If they do prove to be a popular option then we will keep them. If not then they will go away.
Bill
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Back when they were the el grande 150 or 160 I liked the bigger size but they were enough lighter metal that I didn't like the feel of them. Just my opinion. I ended up with the smaller 160 s and love them. Just adding to the conversation.
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The differance in the steel between the 200 Kodiak and 160 Kodiak is 5 thousands of an inch.Since these broadheads are made of two equal halves the thickness differance is doubled.
Bill
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Yeah I'll probably get 160 s in grizz and kodiak to check em out. It's a good weight for my setups
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If the Kodiak 160 is the same as the El Grande 160 I think it's the perfect wt. and size. With all the different adapters, etc. I've set up arrows with up front weight from about 200 grs. up to 395 grs. In two seasons of broadhead league shooting into sand pits all summer I've only managed to break ONE. If you offer it, the 160 Kodiak is the one I want.
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Bill, could I get some 1 1/2 " In 255.6 grains? LOL.
By the way, I shot the ilf you sent to John. Very Impressive. May have to have one. Don
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Can I prepay some for some 160 Kodiaks so I don't miss out on this next small batch?
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Ditto what Pat B asked. I'd like to try a pack of each in 160gr.
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Originally posted by Oregon Okie:
Back when they were the el grande 150 or 160 I liked the bigger size but they were enough lighter metal that I didn't like the feel of them. Just my opinion. I ended up with the smaller 160 s and love them. Just adding to the conversation.
Agree use the standard size 160's and love them, I believe they are tougher then the larger 160's.
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What size adapter would you use, 5/16 or 11/32
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If the Kodiak 160 is the same as the El Grande 160 I think it's the perfect wt. and size. With all the different adapters, etc. I've set up arrows with up front weight from about 200 grs. up to 395 grs. In two seasons of broadhead league shooting into sand pits all summer I've only managed to break ONE. If you offer it, the 160 Kodiak is the one I want.
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I'd be glad to order some 160s. I ordered some 200s. I like to start out my shafts at full length with something around 145, then work my way up in weight as I break shafts shorter and shorter. Makes an order of shafts last a long time.
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I'd like some 160's. Left bevel of course.
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What is a Kodiak. A new name for the Grizzly?
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Kodiak is the new name for the ElGrande.
While the 160 Kodiak is a bit thinner metal than the 200 Kodiak or 160 Grizzly, it is still heavier than most heads and plenty tough. It's gonna take some serious effort to mess one up IMO.
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11/32 adaptor for all the Grizzly line.
Rick has it right. The Kodiak name replaced the El Grande name.Its the same head just a different name.
I had not really thought about taking preorders for these 160 grain Kodiak's. Although it may let me get a handle on their popularity a little quicker.Then if I feel it is necessary I could punch out some more with the batch that we are running next week.
Lets do it. If you want to preorder your broadheads then contact me and we will take your order.No phone calls until tomarrow.If you preorder you will also have to prepay.
Grizzly 6 pack is $32.95
Kodiak 6 pack is $34.95
$5.25 shipping will cover up to 10 packs.
***This batch of broadheads will not be ready until early April
Bill
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So is the biggest cut in the Kodiak 1.25?
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yes 1 1/4"
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Are you taking preorders on the 200 grain Kodiak's?
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Bill, I'll be talking with you tomorrow for sure!! Fred
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If I just bought 6 - 160 grizzly, Can I return them to Zipper for the Kodiak 160 with the 1 1/4 inch cut or do I have to wait for 3 Rivers to get them in. My new ones are in the Zipper packages.
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Bill
Web site could have buying perks like a free zipper bow for every three packs of Kodiaks....trying to be helpful here. Give us a call for more awesome ideas!
Lookin forward to carrying them in the shop!!! Tell Tracy to get to sharpening
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Can anyone tell about the new grind as far as sharpeneing goes? Do they sharpen easily with a file and then stropped to a keen edge? Bill maybesome in put?
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I just received a pack of 130 grain. I use a kme sharpener and they sharpen in no time with the new bevel. Maybe 10 minutes per side, if that.
I don't know why a file wouldn't work just as fast.
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I have some of the new 200 grain Kodiak heads .. they sharpened with little effort .. and WOW they are sharp.
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Sure can Chief
Sorry Eddie, if you got the heads from 3 Rivers you will have to send them back to 3 Rivers.
Hey John,its good to see that you and Batman are looking out for me. :D
Ron at KME was doing a little sharpening demo. at our booth at Kalamazoo. It took him about 2 min. to get one of our new heads shaving sharp. He was using the KME broadhead sharpener.By the way I can now let the word out that KME is the one grinding our heads.That should help to answer some questions about the new grind.
Bill
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Just got my new 200s a few mins ago. They look really fine. I use a Lansky, but I doubt I'll have any trouble getting them touched right up with it. Lookin' good.
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Bill,
The responses are exactly what I wanted to hear. I applaud you for saving this head and improving it while at the same time keeping pricing fair. Thanks. I will be ordering soon. I would like to introduce a couple spring gobblers to your new heads come May.
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For me a file hasn't worked well. I use my ceramic stones and stropping. The jewel stick however seems like it will work for touch ups.
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I just gave one side of one about ten minutes or so with my standard Lansky and got hair popping sharp. Very satisfying. An ultra fine hone and then strop would really get it good. I just wanted to see how they were going to sharpen up and I think they'll be great. Had to quit and get settled in for the Cats' game on Big Monday though. Two thumbs up on the new Grizz!!
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a 160 grain head has always been my go to weight...in ribteks and snuffers.
ordered the 200 but will likely get some 160s as well to horde for the day when I run low on heads of my current stash.
I have a Lansky so will mess with it to figure out the right way to attach the head and get a good edge. Looking forward to them already.... :)
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How do i get the 200 grain Kodiaks? Tryed to email Zipper no answer,anyone got one too sell? would like to try.
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I think the 200 grain Kodiaks are in a batch being finished up, along with the 160 grain Kodiaks. Should be available within a couple weeks. PM Bill Dunn, or it just may take a day or two for him to get to his e-mail.
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call Bill on the phone..that is what he told me to do as the website is not set up for taking orders. he was just getting ground now and will be a few weeks before ready but is taking pre-orders if you want them as soon as they are ready. just call his shop and he will take your order....he is eastern standard time.
very nice guy to talk with on phone...
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Darrell, I have been gone to KY Tradfest. I just got back and will get to the emails monday. Like Mike said there are 200 grain heads at KME now to be ground so they should be available shortly.The best way to place your order is to give us a call 937 444 0904 Monday-Sat. 8am - 6pm
Bill