I'm looking for a lighter wt bow due to some shoulder issues. I've been shooting a recurve built for me from a Bingham pattern at about 53#. Wanting something 45-48 # range, and thinking I want to try a smaller grip. Looking at some shorter longbows (I'm 5' 8).
Opinions on a Whip vs Kanati?
Never shot a Kanati but you won't go wrong with a Whip. Fantastic longbow with all the desireable qualities + the bowyer (Dan) is one of the best guys in the business.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rossco7002:
Never shot a Kanati but you won't go wrong with a Whip. Fantastic longbow with all the desireable qualities + the bowyer (Dan) is one of the best guys in the business.
I am just the opposite. I've got a Kanati, but I've never shot a Whip. Jason is also a great guy to deal with and makes one heck of a bow. My Kanati is my go-to bow.
Looks like you are going to be in great shape with either of those to me.
I too havent shot a Kanati,but they look excellant.I have shot a Toelki or two and they are excellant.Quality throughout,fast,smooth,no hand shock,beautiful.I also would highly recomend Big Jims bow.Also check out Andy Mccoy at Bezaleel bows.com.Great bows are coming out of his masterfull hands.
I have owned both, I would go with the Kanati..no doubt! The Whip is a nice bow, but if your looking to pick up performance in lighter weight...Kanati or Centaur...!
WHIP WHIP WHIP!!! fast and quiet all the way around!!
Tough call.....I have shot/owned both and they are both amazing bows.
I would have to say (IMO) the Whip was quieter, but speed was similar, and cast was similar with the Whip possibly edging out the Kanati in that catagory.
Grips are fairly different with the Whip being slightly more comfortable with the thumb rest and a hair wider throat.
That said the lines on the Kanati and smoothness during and after the shot edge out the Whip. The Whip had just an ever so slight viberation/shock at the shot. Hardly noticeable, but the Kanati is dead in the hand.
It would be a tough call for me on this one!
Good luck!
Dan is a great guy and makes and awesome bow. I would buy the Whip.
Take a look at the Hoots bows
KANATI... :thumbsup: . Owned both, three Kanati's still here. If a milder r/d is what your'e after, go with the Whip. The Kanati IMO is the best bow going for the $$ for the style of bow it is. Fast, smooth drawing, zero shock and the most important characteristic to me is forgiving for it's shorter frame. All mine are 58". The only bow I have that I can pick up any day of the week and shoot well if having a on day or not. I also give the edge to Kanati for the grip, the Whip's throat is just a bit beefy.
Froggy
THUNDERHORN
It's a Kanati for me! Nice slim grip even with a rubber non-slip thing-a-ma-gig installed.
... mike ...
I love it! Almost a dead heat. Well, that tells me I'll be happy either way so I'm going to let the grip decide. News at 11...
Thanks for the input
I love it! Almost a dead heat. Well, that tells me I'll be happy either way so I'm going to let the grip decide. News at 11...
Thanks for the input
Kanati
I will always have this bow!!
It's my go to bow and I have seven.
7! I only have 2.I got to catch up with you Chuck.
Never shot a Kanati but I have shot several Whips! YOU WILL BE IMPRESSED!!!!!
Oh, and Dan will make a 2-piece and is QUICK on delivery!
For me personally a whip. Here's a couple of numbers for ya. My whip is 64" 53lbs @ 28, my centaur is 62" 54 lbs @28. The whip is tuned to a total arrow weight of 530 grains, the centaur is tuned to a total arrow weight of 540 grains, both right at 10 gpp. I have chrono'd the whip at 170 fps and the centaur at 175. I don't think that Dan gets enough credit for the speed that his bows are able to generate.
Dan has also redesigned the limb profile for his 58, 60, and 62 inch whips to generate additional speed from them, he has also told me that the draw is smoother, as if that is even possible. They are probably the smoothest drawing bow that I have had the chance to shoot. I have not had the chance to shoot the new limb design yet, but I am going to visit him over the holidays when I am back home in Montana. The last whip Dan built for me was a XX (XX = select woods) and he was able to build in six days. You will be hard pressed to find better customer service than Dan.
Whip by all means. You will be impressed with a Toelke bow. Smooth shooting, fast, and very pleasing to the eye. Dan is a great guy to work with.
Dan has a well thought out product, makes effort to keep up with the FPS guys :saywhat: , is a great instructor and just a wealth of knowledge on life and archery. Currently I'm on bow #4 from him, but with that said. There are many bowyers whos products share the same attributes and are great people as well. Now that you have a short list identified the bottom line is usually grip. At least it is for me.
Know your grip and understand your grip and have that understanding translated into your build. If you do this I think you will be happy right out of the gate and the bowyer becomes arbitrary. Going through the classifieds and trying the "current trend" this week has cost me far more in the long run than just biting the bullet and working through the design process. It's half the fun...
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I have owned one Whip and one Kanati and shot some other Whips.
The Whips very beautiful and streamlined.Its very very quiet.Its a pleasure to shoot.You have alot of custom wood options on the Toelke and the classic grip or one with the thumbrest.It comes in longer lengths than the Kanati if you were looking for something with more length.
I shot the 60" Kanati better though for what ever reason.Its plenty quick and enjoyable to shoot.Its a well made no nonsense hunting bow.The price is right.You may possibly prefer its forward set grip.It points naturally and gets you on target effortlessly.It would meet all your needs in a hunting bow that will get the job done admirably.
Its really hard to make a decision between 2 bows without trying them out for yourself.You have chosen 2 highly reputable bows and as you can see some prefer one some the other.
Never shot a Whip. They look like nice enough bows though.
All I know is that I wanted a Kanati for a long time and now that I have one it's even better than I expected.
As far as speed is concerned, my Kanati is one pound heavier than my Pittsley Predator Recurve(the one I traded for the Kanati, with some "boot" to me :) ;) ) but the Kanati was only 3-4 FPS slower than the speed demon Predator, with the same weight arrows. I shoot a fairly heavy arrow at a modest draw weight and a rather short draw length.
The Kanati is what I would call an extreme reflex/deflex bow and lacks nothing in the performance category nor in the shoot-ability category either.
I love my Kanati...
Can't say enough good things about Dan and his bows. Love my Toelke. I've shot a few different models and like them all...regular Whip the best, though.
Every now and then I get a craving to try/buy another bow and sometimes inquire about them on this site. There are many knowledgeable people here and many great bowyers. At the end of the day I always come back to my Whip.
Kanati's are great bows, bought and sold a few and even offered one up for the St Jude's auction a couple of years back. After shooting both alot I favor the Whips. I like the arrow right on my hand and the shelf on Dan's bows just seems to be cut a little lower. Both bows have a very comfortable grip but the lower shelf is a personal preference for me.
My first "classic" Whip is in the mail and Dan has made me 4 standard Whips. I cannot give a subjective opinion because I've not shot a Kanati but I can say that my Whips have been beautifully crafted, are superb shooters by any measure and all have been delivered in less than a month. Contact Dan, you will never deal with better people than the Toelke's nor find anyone who knows more about all things Archery and willing to share it than Dan.
If I had an injury to nurse like you are talking about I would consider a super smooth long recurve. Its hard to beat a nice recurve with foam core.
God bless and good luck in your search, Steve
It's getting more difficult. I've been shooting with a 30# recurve just working on form for a few months, and generally stretching and light upper body workouts.
Last night, I picked up my regular (53#) recurve and shot four arrows with perfect form right prezackly where my "pick spot" was. Felt good so I rested a little and did it again.
The recurve is one I'll never part with so I may just put the $ in some new arras and see what I can work up to.
I have not seen a Whip in person but I would love to shoot one some day...every bow I've seen on here was amazing looking!
I do have a 60" Kanati though and love it...very smooth (like butter) all the way out to 29.5", I have to remember to not overdraw it.
I'm also very lucky in that I get to build strings for Jason's bows...I have a special one coming soon! He's great to work with and nice to talk with on the phone. Can't wait to get my new one!
Building a new set of arrows this week for it.
Thanks,
Josh