well, sunday evening i shot a huge doe. i saw it drop in the feild behind the house. went in the house to finish building my arrows. bout 30 minutes later went to go get my doe and only found blood and drag marks. guess the coyotes were more attentive than i this time. such a waste!!!
happened to my dad this season he shot a buck and couldn't recover it that night the next day we went looking only to find a big cougar standing over top of it. shame we couldn't recover the meet we did recover the head after the cougar had left. its a bitter sweet trophy as it was also his first downed deer.
Them yotes are smarter and more opportunistic then we give them credit for. out here, if you get a deer you better bit the yotes to your kill or no venison.
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There are a lot of 2 legged yotes.
Did you find any coyote dog tracks where the deer was downed?
Like someone else said, some 2 legged coyotes wear "boots" and leave an unmistakable track.
QuoteOriginally posted by Ground Hunter:
There are a lot of 2 legged yotes.
ha yep.... I think yotes usually eat the rear end where it lays.
bummer man.
QuoteOriginally posted by Night Wing:
Did you find any coyote dog tracks where the deer was downed?
Like someone else said, some 2 legged coyotes wear "boots" and leave an unmistakable track.
thats my guess to
yup, 2-legged, especially within an hour's time, or you have a big cat there and don't know it. Either way, there should be a pile of bones at the end of the trail.
ChuckC
Yikes!
It could have easily been yotes that fast and they do not always go for the back end first! Here is a pic of one I shot this year and found in about an hour. The yote/s went in through the exit hole which was a good thing because they did not ruin much and I still got most of my meat.
(http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss239/archeryrules/Coyotehole.jpg)
Bisch
That sucks!
I'm sorry that all your meat was taken by anything or anyone.
God bless,Mudd
Bisch. . but the deer carcass was still there in your case. I have never seen the coyotes devour the bones and all after dragging a deer away somewhere.
ChuckC
They are quick to the kill no doubt. A deer processer/butcher I was talking with says he sees
it all the time. Even as little as an hour after a kill,the yotes can get there fill. During our gun season,he say's the gun shot is like a dinner bell to there ears!
I found a bloody spot on the ground a little bigger than a deer bed surrounded by deer hair - enough to fill a hat. Not a scrap of hide or bone. I don't think coyotes drag a carcass, but instead disassemble it into carryable bits.
If you saw the doe fall why didn't you get her right them?
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If you saw the doe fall why didn't you get her right them?
I agree. I must say that this was a pretty odd thing to do. Not only did you lose your deer, but you now have more fuel to throw on the "coyotes are evil" fire. Next time wait that 1/2 hour on stand and retrieve the deer promptly. It's your responsibility.
I cannot imagine Coyotes simply dragging a deer off to the point that it is "gone" without leaving any remnant of the carcass but I can easily imagine somebody doing it.
Could the deer have gotten up again and moved off a ways?
I am kind of confused as to why you would leave the deer out there while you went inside. Is this commonplace?
I feel for you I have lost two to bear and one to yotes. Only one was left over night.
Okay obviously I'm missing something...
You saw the doe "drop" in the field behind your house so you went inside to build arrows? If the doe is dead and you know it, why wouldn't you go and retrieve the doe? Is the field behind your house your property or do you need to get permission to gain access to the field?
You wrote that you found "blood and drag marks" did you follow the trail? Where did the trail lead to?
Then you wrote "guess the coyotes were more attentive than i this time." Are you guessing or do you know? Does this mean you found the carcass?
This whole thread doesn't make sense. What was the point of starting this thread?
The thread title is "deer stolen" not deer scavenged. I don't think the author is actually blaming coyotes in the least. Coyotes don't steal, everthing they eat belongs to them. People steal though. I had a deer stolen by "yotes". They drove a truck right around back of the cabin in Indian lake, ny and neatly untied it from the porch rafters and disappeared into the wild. They have seriously evolved.
I've seen a lot of coyote kills,deer and antelope and never seen one drug except once reduced to almost a skeleton.
If you have bears and they are still out,which very well may be in that neck of the woods,I would suspect that or people.If it is a bear,you can find the remains.He will make a beeline for the nearest cover where he feels safe.The remains will be there.
:mad: :mad: :mad: sounds like it is time to bust some song dogs!
We have a lot of bears on our place, lost a 50 lb wild hog to a bear a couple of years ago..it was cold out and early morning so I stayed in stand another hour so not to goof up Helens hunt..bear picked up hog and walked off with it..now I track and recover asap.. we also have panthers..hogs also eat deer,thats also happened to me
I can't imagine shooting,watching the animal fall, then walking away thinking I will attend to it later.Doesn't make any sense to me unless there is more to the story.
I have seen on the TV hunting shows many times where the hunter in an evening hunt decides to look for the deer the next day since he feels the shot was questionable.
That's find and dandy if you live in an area where there are no coyotes or cats.
In south Texas you got to go look for the deer that evening because if you don't the coyote will.
You have no choice in South Texas you must look for your deer now.
If I see a deer fall, i don't wait. I just go get them. I have had some yotes eat on a carcass or two when the recovery took a couple of hours, but you will at least find a skeleton or hair. If it was completely gone, I would suspect people.
Not trying to brow beat, but next time, get it when it hits the ground.
God Bless,
Nathan
I had a buck stolen by a human once. I get to see the rack everyday when I drop my son off at the bus. Just sitting on top of an old camper in the guys yard.
Brian
Sorry to hear about your deer.
I think when things don't go perfectly, it is human nature to look back and try to figure out what went wrong. This is how man has evolved. Figuring out how to do thing different next time to alter the outcome.
I think many here are trying to offer up ideas and scenarios that may benefit you, me, and themselves in the future.
Keep heading out into those woods. Keep making those great shots. And, like I plan to do, keep what happened to you this time fresh in your mind so next time maybe the outcome is different.
Izzy,that last post was a good one. "coyotes don't steal,everything they eat belongs to them"
That...is an awesome analogy! How true it is.
Go see your neighbor. Perhaps someone came across it lying there, not knowing who shot it or if they were coming back and decided to take it home. May have been no ill intent involved.
If it is a neighbor and they've already cleaned it - let them keep it. At least you'll have clarity.
On second thought, do the above AFTER you go back to the site and see the tracks of whatever drug the deer off. Nothing moves a deer out of a field without leaving a trail. I don't believe coyotes would/could drag off a mature doe that quick.
I've lost 3 deer over the years to coyotes! But I was told by my farmer friend that some other hunters XBOWERS had bloodtrailed a deer only to find a hughe BEAR laying on top of the dead deer (like a rug) and when they tryed to scare the bear it stood up on it's back feet :scared: :scared: and was much taller than them!!! they then very very carefully backed out of the area before cleaning out :biglaugh: thier shorts LOL :archer2: BEARS 1 >>>---> XBOWERS 0
Some monster coyotes in your neck of the woods. ;)
C'mon, Brian. Don't let us hanging. Questions were raised. Only you know the answers . . .
Mark
I too would like to hear a follow up with the many questions that others have raised. Until then all I can say is...odd.
I had 2 legged yotes steal a deer I killed. Guess they needed it more than I did.
I think it was E Donnel T that said "It's not meat until it's in the freezer!" Or on the plate...
and the drag marks went where? Not to hard to follow drag marks many times with the blood, hair, and toe drag marks.
Some 2 legged yotes got to an 18 pt buck my brother shot a few years back. All we found was the body minus the head. After 2 days of looking, he had to head home. I spotted it at the back edge of a cut corn field while driving a nearby gravel road. He was close to finding it. He just needed to go another 1/4 mile. Now it's on some slob's wall.
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THIS IS WEIRD.
I think hunter error here. Saw deer drop and went in and built arrows for an hour? No trailing? What gives?
Not to throw stones here but....
Didn't the post say "went in for an hour to make arrows" earlier?
Now says 30 mins.
I might be wrong.
:confused:
Either way it sucks
Unless I see the deer drop I always wait at least 30min (even if it's in sight) I've had deer jump up and run out of sight. I have pushed my share of (pooly hit, liver) deer way to far that would have died in the first bed if left them alone for a few hours. It's not the part of bow hunting we like to addmit to but it happens. I've also had to come back the next morning(that's how the coyotes got two of the three deer) I saw the one from my tree stand the next morning and was able to walk right up to what was left of the buck I had shot the night before(nothing left but the head/neck shoulder it was laying on skin & bones) we're in it for the fun, coyotes make a living at it (they wiil gorage themselves and stash it then come back to refill(amazing) stripping a kill faster than I can type this. :deadhorse:
Jerome,
I had to do a double take on that pic..I was like what broadhead did he use to do that kind of damage? :eek:
The only reason I would have left it after seeing it fall would be to go back to get the four wheeler or help to drag it out.
I was hoping he would come back and answer some of the questions.
I always wait 30 mins after the shot if I do not see the deer go down. If I see it go down it is gutting time. I have lost two bucks while hunting public land. Both times my tracking job ended at a gut pile with no deer.
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I doubt that was yotes at work....you'd have found parts of your deer if it was
Coyotes would of ate it on the spot. And it would take a bunch of them to leave nothing.
Two legged coyote got it. Or it got up and ran off.
Yeah, Ain't no coyote I've ever shot gonna drag a huge doe anywhere. Hell, there ain't three coyotes anywhere going to drag a 140# deer anywhere. They WILL chow down on it where it lies.
The biggest coyote I've ever shot (out of maybe 70 dogs) MIGHT go 35 lbs soaking wet.
Sounds like it got up and ran off to me.
Interesting Thread to say the least...... :coffee:
I would feel better about losing a deer to a Coyote than I would a 2-legged Varmint! There is an SOB in my neighborhood who steals people's styrofoam 3D Deer targets out of their yards at night. My cousin (just down the street from me),lost a nice one a few years back. Those are not cheap! Thats why I won't buy one, because I have a strong hunch it will end up missing. Don't you just love dishonest people?
How does he cook that Styrofoam? Must use one of those flavor injectors.
wild hogs ate my Dad's deer a few years back - rolled up hide/bones/head was all that was left. unreal
That stinks.
You always should learn from your mistakes, If you dont Darwin usually eventually prevails.
Better luck next time.
Wow... you guys are roasting this new guy. What happened to "benefit of the doubt". Just sayin'
I was taught as a kid to wait 30 minutes regardless of how hard they fall. Over the years I've learned the exceptions to that rule... but maybe Mopar thought he was being prudent?
Jeff
I was told to wait as well, but if it fell over while I was watching it, I don't know that I would go down the road and get some grub just to wait as taught. But to each their own, live and learn.
Suffolk-mopar:
If you are going to make a post like this you need to at least follow up and answer questions.If not, pull the post.
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Bill did you just wake up cranky to write this?...
or did you let her sleep in?....hahaha!!!
Merry Christmas and God bless,Mudd