I have hemmed & hawed about making this switch for a few years now. Well, it's go time! Joebuck has been most helpful & a wealth of info, regarding bowhunting with trad gear using the Guido's Web.
I am presently doing EXTENSIVE research, using the Web & a ***SAFE*** all rope ascent/descent climbing system. Think about this, for a moment. No more tree steps, no more climbing sticks, no more hang on or climbing stands, The ENTIRE setup will be wearable! Being a public land, trad bowhunter this is VERY appealing to me.
If anyone else has been considering trying/switching to a sling style, keep an eye on this thread. After I get everything perfected, I will be sharing a very indepth, detailed video about this setup. It will cover all components, setup, ascent, descent, & most importantly shooting trad equipment from the Guido's Web. This style of huntng from a tree is truly becoming a HUGE trend.
For those of you who may not be familiar with this method of hunting from a tree with trad equipment, click the link below. This is gonna be a good one folks, stay tuned!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snDUfeyVO6w
I have hunted from a treesaddle for three years now. I feel safer with it than a tree stand.
Will watch this
I am definitely keeping an eye on this one.
Never used the Guido's Web, But have used a Tree Suit for the past 3 years off and on. Used it on St. Vincent Island hunting Sambar. Used Rope on steps to get up the tree and to stand on in the suit. Wore the suit from camp to stand, only had to carry 5 steps in fanny pack. Basically was like a walk in the woods just carrying my bow. Didn't miss packing a stand at all. :thumbsup:
I think you'll like it once you get use to it. I have always been a little leery about the piece the web uses to keep you away from the tree. The tree suit doesn't need one and is really easy to shoot from, plus it is simple to move around the tree to shoot in any direction. :archer:
However, I don't think the tree suit is available on the market at present. Hope it will be again soon, I'd like to get another one.
I'd be interested in learning more about exactly how this setup works as well.
One thing that confuses me when researching the Tree Stand or this sytem is, How do you setup the safety harness? To my eye, I see no one in these pics wearing the safety harness (yet they always mention it) -- I only see them connected to a tree via the main stand attachment. I see them use a lineman's belt when climbing, but I see no use of an arrested fall system. Maybe I'm just missing it.
Also, not to hijack this away from Guido's Web, but does anyone know the current state of TrophyLine, the makers of the Tree Saddle? Basically all their inventory is out of stock, the used prices on forums are high and I've seen in some recent for sale ads sellers making unclear comments about how they may be out of business or getting sold. Just curious.
QuoteOriginally posted by DeCurry:
I'd be interested in learning more about exactly how this setup works as well.
One thing that confuses me when researching the Tree Stand or this sytem is, How do you setup the safety harness? To my eye, I see no one in these pics wearing the safety harness (yet they always mention it) -- I only see them connected to a tree via the main stand attachment. I see them use a lineman's belt when climbing, but I see no use of an arrested fall system. Maybe I'm just missing it.
The info below, may help to answer your question further. However, you are correct there is no additional safety harness, because the stand is the safety harness. There is a linemans belt feature that I suppose you could utilize in addition to the main tether. I don't know if that would interfere with shooting or not.
From the #'s they provide, regarding the strength of the webbing, I would think just the main tether is more than adequate. I will insert here that would make it VERY important to check all equipment & knots EVERY TIME before & after each use. Check out these #'s, what do you think?
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Guido's Outdoors, Inc.
125 Palasini Road
Leland, MS 38756
662-686-2130
Dear Hunter
When I go to hunting shows, I ask hunters the following questions:
Are you comfortable in your stand?
Are you pleased with your safety system?
Are you happy with the weight of a metal stand?
Are you concerned with the noise that metal stands make?
If your answer is no to at least two out of the above four, you need to check the style of hunting our stand provides.
For years hunters have been looking for a comfortable stand that doesn't punish you when hunting long hours in a tree. You need a safety harness but it's an item you have to keep up with. You have to hook it up AFTER you get in the stand. Most falls happen while climbing, descending or stepping into to stand. With Guido's web, you are safe during all these maneuvers.
Our stand is made in five custom sizes to give you, the hunter, a proper fit and allow you to hunt all day in comfort. If you fall, our harness forces you into a sitting position and will not let you fall head first into a tree. The weight of our medium and large stand is 8 lbs and the extra large weighs 9 ½ lbs. As for noise, the stand is quiet while you are walking to the stand site as well as when you are using it in the tree. Plus, it gives you the ability to shoot 360 degrees around the tree.
Our stand has passed Industrial strength standards. The harness is made from 6,000 lb webbing, has 2 belts under the seat and back (12,000 lbs). The tether belt (tree belt) is made from 3800 lb per sq. inch, in 1st quality webbing (7600 lbs minimum). We use 4000 lb certified mountain climbing carabiners. The stand is sewed with 92 nylon thread and will last for many years of safe hunting. It is made right here in Mississippi, in the USA.
So if you're looking for something light, safe and comfortable, you need to give this stand a second look. It was developed over years of hunting by hunters!
Sincerely
Guido
I'v been hunting out of Guido's web from the begining of september. I use rapid rails astrap with 4 tree steps placed around the tree. I have a line from above my head with a pursur not to attach to the web with two caribeners for being attached from the ground up.You will also need a bow hanger. Great setup you can sleep and hunt.
Here's a link to Boswell's series of Youtube videos showing how he uses a Tree Saddle. Great info on these that can easily be adapted to the Guido's Web.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKMlGyY1pLs
Well that's not good! The guy in the video fell from the tree getting down.
:knothead:
Dave, good luck with the web. You went to the right source for info. Joey should be on there prostaff. Been thinking about getting one myself. Don
QuoteOriginally posted by batman:
Dave, good luck with the web. You went to the right source for info. Joey should be on there prostaff. Been thinking about getting one myself. Don
Nice to hear from ya batman. Joebuck sure had mighty fine things to say about you. I asked if he'd met ya yet! :thumbsup:
By the way, the link below has TONS of sling style hunting information. I believe THIS LINK will answer A LOT of questions.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BoudreauxBoswell
How do you guys that use this type of system get on with adding or removing layers of clothing while on stand?
Red Dwarf
stand up lean out against seat. than take off shoulder strap put on or take off. practice alittle acouple feet off the ground. I really can't think of away you can fall out of Guido's web.If you can put up your steps and safty rope before the hunt it's a quick quiet climb.
QuoteOriginally posted by Red Dwarf:
How do you guys that use this type of system get on with adding or removing layers of clothing while on stand?
Red Dwarf
This technique would apply to GW as well, I would think. Click the link below.
http://www.youtube.com/user/BoudreauxBoswell#p/u/15/DqXHxUDtNU4
I have a weakness for any Guido Thread! I have received calls often from threads I have posted since 2007. I always love talking to people interested in this style of hunting. here's the reason I wear a Guidos
1. Safety. I come home after every hunt. I got 2 small boys that try their best to tackle me every time I enter the door. it's the best feeling in the world.. My wife is not bad looking either to come home to .
2. facing the tree...I just see more deer than them seeing me.
This style of hunting let's me go undetected time after time with deer under me 30 yards and in.
3. it's comfortable...i can sleep, stand, sit ,lean ..what ever. The solid seat and back rest are the ticket for hours of sitting to a sometime sore l5 and l6 vertebra.
4. where it come from.....I know the owner. he's a bowhunter and has been for his lifetime. he makes every stand with his hands. every stitch, buckle , strap etc...He is thinking about quality of safety every step of his process.....this ain't mass production but in a shop beside his home..this is his life.
5. It's a learning curve.....you remember the first several dozen times you had to explain to your compound friends why you are sticking with your Traditional bow..."thank you very much"....? When you finally " trust yourself hanging in the web, well its fun. It's a 360 degree view of the woods. It becomes so natural to me now that I can't sit in a fixed stand.. If I have too then I will take my Guido and use the
fixed as my platform...this would be the case if I hunting a place with a fixed already up and "that" is the tree.
6. Compact/quiet/ weight.....just had to put all these three together. I probably have about 12 #s in my stand and screw in steps. Some use climbing sticks, rails or section sticks. I have used all of them but for several different reasons.......I like a threaded screw sunk in a hardwood ,I only use E Z Screws by Cranford..the deluxe model....and a Batman platform for trees I hunt repeatly.
7. sleep.....I know that sounds funny to mention that in same topic as sitting in a tree stand..but I will take a nap sometimes....there is no way you can fall.
8. versatile ....Guido has it all figured out..Basically if you took a Trophyline and tree suit and Ambush and threw it all together with a lot Guido .....well then you have the Guido
Web.. ...I know this personally because i own all of these...However Guido dates all of them with probably exception of Green Tree saddle."...For Trophyline users you can use same Tree Knot and setup for GW and basically have same setup of the " slide" as you did with the Trophyline but be in the Guido.. A lot of examples on Archwry Talk forum on that.
I am passionate as one can tell about my Guido web. it takes
a learning curve at first. practicing 1 foot off the ground is the way to go. But it becomes 2nd nature in no time or at least it did for me....I have given away all other tree stands...my Guido system is very simple and I can hunt out any tree out there with just one stand......In closing Being able to call the man that made my stand I use means something to me. butch has always been very helpful and gracious with his time to answer my questions or open his shop for me to stop by.
my wife says I own a lot hunting stuff.. well I should because ..well I hunt a lot and not just deer but turkeys and ducks with a passion....but my Guidos web is the finest quality hunting trinket I own....it is built.. No detail left out...if I can be of help..please feel free to contact me but be prepared it may cost you ...........you 'll buy one.....
If mine got stole out of the truck tonight, I would order another one just as soon as I got back to a computer.
spot on best rig out there! Greg
Anyone who likes to film the hunt, this same principle would apply to the GW. Just thought this was an interesting vid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-qgB2hu2RM
Now what I'm about to drop on you, will definitely be different! Remember I told you I was researching ***SAFELY*** ascending/descending the tree WITHOUT treesteps, or climbing sticks/ Well I've found it. I've been talking with the guy who made the video, & I understand how it works. I will definitely be including this in my GW video. no more treesteps/climbing sticks for me! Btw, unless both straps fail, or the tree falls down, you can't fall using this method.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NDVoQEvQMY
Here's the link for the strap. Rated at 5,000 lbs, that will work. The 240cm, & the 120cm are good to have.
http://www.camp-usa.com/products/webbing/12mm-express-dyneema-runners.asp
It is hard to see exactly what the guy is doing to climb with the strap(s). Is he using 2 straps and alternating or one strap and using the GW harness to hold himself static while re-setting the strap higher? I guess with this system you could still climb a multiple branched tree with no problems.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bruce Martin:
It is hard to see exactly what the guy is doing to climb with the strap(s). Is he using 2 straps and alternating or one strap and using the GW harness to hold himself static while re-setting the strap higher? I guess with this system you could still climb a multiple branched tree with no problems.
Yes, that's what he's doing. One strap is the runner strap, for his foot. The other is the main tether of the GW.
I am a first year GW user and enjoyed hunting with it a lot. I tried a treesaddle first but could not stay still in that system because of discomfort. You do feel totally safe with the GW and it is very comfortable. It does take practice going up and down the tree and shooting.
I would like to see the strap set up of the guy using the strap to go up the tree without steps. Is it simply a strap with loops on each end? And then when you get to where you are going to sit, can you use two foot straps and no steps? No steps cuts out all the weight you are carrying.
I am looking forward to waiting4fall's film.
Chris Ward from. south ga sometimes gets on here and he is a wealth of knowledge on climbing with alternate systems and anything about bowhunting..I believe he has used this style for a while.
Interesting,Originally Butch developed this Guido Web to use pole climbing hooks. I use to hunt out of my Green Tree Saddle with Buckinghams tree spikes. Well till I got fat! my buddy Monty Is still climbing trees at 60!!.
waiting4fall...be interested to see how you fare with the straps. But heck your built like Conan , you could fireman's ladder 5 miles into the woods no trouble...I wouldn't use those skimpy straps
I have been looking into using this system for a while now.
It can be a little hard to see detail on the video, especially if you are not familiar with climbing gear. It may help to visualize the system using the two runners on the tree to think of them like prussik loops, and they are gripping a tree instead of a rope. You alternate between standing in the lower runner or hanging from the upper runner with your harness/GW/Tree Saddle. You reposition the unloaded runner to go up or down the tree, just like you would do with prussiks (or ascenders) to go up or down a rope.
You do need some different length runners for different size trees, and you need to climb with an extra runner and locking carabiner in order to pass a limb safely. Extra runners are lightweight and pack small.
I would trust runners around a tree way more than climbing spikes stuck into the tree, especially one with thick bark. Runners are rated very high for tensile strength, and if there is any slip, they are still around the tree to catch you as they tighten up. With this system you can be tied to the tree at least once at all times, and with some thought you can rig it so both loops are always able to catch you. Once you get to your hunting height you can put the extra runner that you carry for limbs on the tree and have 3 anchors working redundantly.
Hope everyone's weekend went well. I've been conversing back & forth with the gentleman in the climbing vid. I believe he's in Australia.
Anyhow, he sent me a few pics of the setup. I thought this as the best one to share, as it clearly shows the runner "FOOT" strap used for climbing the tree.
Again, it may not look like much but it's rated to break @ 5,000 lbs. Hope this gives a better illustration of how the climbing is done using runner strap.
So as stated above, you're connected by the main tether, & can also use the lineman's belt. That's 3 seperate secure attatchments to the tree, rated at 5,000 - 7,000lbs.
I just want to add that IF you were to slip out of the foot strap, then you simply find your self sitting safely in the GW.
(http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff241/waiting4fall/feet.jpg)
Thess are quite informative links for anyone, like myself, considering runner straps to climb a tree.
http://www.eneq.info/fr/?p=117
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdOGvkd1VMg&feature=player_embedded
I have been working on a system incorporating drt tree climbing(double rope technique) and using my Treesuit. I have been hunting out of a Treesuit since they have come out. I will post up sopme videos when I get them done.
QuoteOriginally posted by cedar swampman:
I have been working on a system incorporating drt tree climbing(double rope technique) and using my Treesuit. I have been hunting out of a Treesuit since they have come out. I will post up sopme videos when I get them done.
I can't wait to see them. I wish there was a thread subscription feature here on tradgang. Will you please PM/email me when you post the vids, I don't want to miss them. Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
QuoteOriginally posted by waiting4fall:
I wish there was a thread subscription feature here on tradgang.
Dave,
When you reply to a thread, below the reply box on the left are a few boxes you can check...one is for e-mail notification of a reple to the thread.
Wow, I've never noticed that before. Thanks VERY much for pointing that out to me. Now if we can just get them to let us embed videos. Of course that would probably require a bunch of server upgrades & stuff. Thanks again! :thumbsup: :clapper:
Dave,
Guys inbed video all the time using Photobucket. Go to the shooters forum and you will see lots of form videos inbedded.
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve O:
Dave,
Guys inbed video all the time using Photobucket. Go to the shooters forum and you will see lots of form videos inbedded.
Hey, this is great! I just got an email nitification of your reply! :thumbsup:
Very interesting thread. Now I got to sell all my treestands but still a very interesting thread.
Do these GW's come with a set up to pack gear at easy reach while on stand?
I think I will be hunting in one next year for sure!
QuoteOriginally posted by Stiks-n-Strings:
Very interesting thread. Now I got to sell all my treestands but still a very interesting thread.
Do these GW's come with a set up to pack gear at easy reach while on stand?
I think I will be hunting in one next year for sure!
Click this link.
http://www.guidosoutdoors.com/
Click on "How Does It Work?"
It will show you pics of the web. You can definitely put stuff inside the web, to carry to your tree. You could pack short climbing stick, probably up to 6 of them if you wanted to. It has a small compartment on the back.
Also, an Idea I'm going to implement when hunting from the GW. The link below is what I'll be using to carry my additional items.Everything will be accessible from the front. Things like gutting gloves, license, bow rope, knife, some food.
This vest will eliminate the need for a backpack, or fanny pack. Everything is streamlined, minimized, & affords the lightest carry in within reason. It's definitely a completely different concept/approach to organizing gear, but it makes sense to me. Check it out.
http://www.amazon.com/Simms-Freestone-Fly-Fishing-Vest/dp/B0026PMJSS
Just watched the GW videos and I am sold. I'll be ordering one after the first of the year. A little late to tell Santa cause him and the wife already got something in the works LOL
This is the best system I have used for elevated hunting. I have used the Tree Saddle and stands both hang on and climbing. Guido's is very comfortable and safe to use. The deer don't pick you out of a tree much when your feet touch the trunk. I can nap in this way. The only drawbacks are the price and rain. The thing is dammed pricey and you still need a climbing method. When it rains, the water runs down the straps and onto your back and sides. I lessen this by running a choker on a Tree Saddle strap and forgo the Guido's tree attachment.
QuoteOriginally posted by Three Arrows:
This is the best system I have used for elevated hunting. I have used the Tree Saddle and stands both hang on and climbing. Guido's is very comfortable and safe to use. The deer don't pick you out of a tree much when your feet touch the trunk. I can nap in this way. The only drawbacks are the price and rain. The thing is dammed pricey and you still need a climbing method. When it rains, the water runs down the straps and onto your back and sides. I lessen this by running a choker on a Tree Saddle strap and forgo the Guido's tree attachment.
I have thought about dealing with the rain. Could you put a tree umbrella above the main tether?
http://www.dickssportinggoods.com/product/index.jsp?productId=4110087&010=7585757&cid=CSE:&cid=CSE:GooglePlusbox&003=3933188
Here is a brand new video, from a bowhunter, using the GW setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L4govCoa0KQ
I have used an umbrella with a tree saddle and it works.
Has anyone on here tried the GW and hated it? It looks interesting I'm just wondering what the people who didn't like it thought were the cons of the system.
I have another question, If the wind dictates that you have to turn to shoot do you turn your back towards wher you expect the deer to come from or do you turn around in the tree to shoot? It looks like it would be hard to shoot in one direction or the other
Bought the tree saddle 3 yrs ago, and haven't used a metal stand since, I think its the best thing since sliced bread. Have had deer under me and they know something is wrong but can't see me because I am behind the tree. Hunt public land in Ohio and go back miles and carry a tree saddle (2pds) and lone wolf mini sticks,(7pds), all in backpack. No more 20 pd stands for me. Here in Eastern NC, I leave screw in steps in tree and just climb up and tie off strap to tree saddle and hunt, wish I could of found this set up 30 years ago. And no problem shooting my 64 in, A&H longbow out of, and tag out every year.
Looked hard at the Web early this year, good friend bought one, really like it but just couldn't get past the weight, almost 10 pounds. With it and the sticks for public land in Ohio I was getting back to close to 20 lbs, again. Now he is looking for a large tree saddle, anybody got one they want to sell, let me know.
Almost 30 years ago, I bought an Anderson Tree Sling....the first treestand I ever bought, and it worked great. Same idea....I think the Anderson is easily the forerunner of all these others. I still have it, and still like it. They are safe, versatile, quiet, comfy and actually quite easy to shoot from and easy to get used to. The only drawback "facing the tree" is the footrests, and sore knees. You can overcome the sore knees easily with pads. I've yet to see a good, lightweight option for footrests. Treesteps are too spindly, and your body weight eventually tires you out, so something with a wider platform would be best, I think. Having a branch at foot level helps a bunch, too. Anyway, thought I'd share that...I've killed a bunch of deer from mine, and even pack it into the mountains to sit at elk wallows. Great gear....I don't know if they still make the Anderson treesling anymore?
I agree Mark. I bought mine in '84, the year I was wed. You're a few years older!
My thoughts are, like shootin a longbow, you have to want it bad, and pratice with it. It has limits, but can be done! You don't just crawl in it and kill!
But the pros are definetly, light, quiet, and safe to user! And before restraint systems, I was comfortable and safe, when a rope was being used, by most. Success with both bow and muzzleloader, using mine.
Anyone know or heard of the Vultures nest, system?
QuoteOriginally posted by waiting4fall:
Here is a brand new video, from a bowhunter, using the GW setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L4govCoa0KQ
That is a great setup right there! I've got a Guido, but have never tried it like that. I can see several pluses with the bridge and rope. Thanks for posting this video.
I love my GW! Sit all day in comfort anywhere i wnat to hunt. It is deadly and the safest trestand i ahve ever used in thirty years.
I do have to say that shots to the right side of the tree are challenging and you must get into position early as there is alot of movement invloved when deer are close.
I dont mean to offend at all, but if your not in shape and athletically inclined it will be a struggle. if u are then enjoy the ability to hunt any tree anywhere and show us pics of those big ole bucks!
btw i know i will alwyas go home to my family everytime i use mine...absolutely the safest method to hunt from a tree!
the Bridge hookup has definitely gained some spotlight with the YouTube vehicle . it was brought from The Tree Saddle Hunters. basically all the Bridge allows you to is turn your hips left and right. You can do the same thing in the Guidos without the Bridge by NOT attaching your leg straps allowing your hips to move/ turn in the seat.
I climb with my leg straps then un hook when I get settled in and loosen my shoulder straps allowing my hips to " twist" in my seat for that awkward right side 1 to 3 o clock shot. try this before you invest in a bridge. With the cross hook up , their is absolutely no way to fall through the web, impossible.
Only negative of a Bridge I can see is that when climbing/descending and if you fall. I am not so sure how your trunk ends up? With 2 foot of lateral slack, it would be interesting to how you ended up. You would not fall but could end up sideways? Food for thought
Mark touched on the problem of the footrest earlier. I know a lot of people use the ameristep strap on steps, but they are apparently no longer available - I can't find any. Screw in steps are hard on your feet unless you wear a boot with a heavy duty steel shank. Also screw in steps will rotate when you lean out and make noise against the bark.
I have three options I use. First, I use the "Step Ladder Steps" which are also no longer available, and generally only use them on prepared stand locations because they can be tricky to tie on correctly in the dark and are heavy and bulky. Three or four at your final elevation allow you to work around most trees.
My second and cheapest option for prepared stand locations is homemade 4x4x8 inch wood wedges with a hole drilled through them attached to the tree with hollow braided rope and a carabineer, or a ratchet strap. A large replacement chain link is a lower cost substitution for the carabineer, it is just not as quick in the tree. No more than 2 blocks per rope or it is hard to get them tight. These are the most comfortable footrests but are bulky and heavy for moving.
My third option that I use when roaming or hunting new spots that haven't been prepared is a Gorilla Brand steel strap on tree seat. This provides a nice platform and is big enough you can get by without any other steps around a small to medium tree. Use additional steps on large trees. Once again this is more bulky than I would like but is some what portable and easy to hang in a tree when in a new area. A Lone Wolf Assassin stand is the light weight but expensive version of this.
Also, I use rope on EZ climb (Cranford) steps because screw in steps are illegal on the public land I generally hunt. I will use screw in steps on private land with permission. I am going to try the no step climbing method shown in the earlier posts during the off-season. Maybe next year I won't need steps, only footrests at my desired height.
What other foot-rest options are there, especially low cost options?
Why not just used 1 or 2 cranford straps as foot rests. Plus if you set them up right You can use them to push you out from tree to make a shot.
QuoteOriginally posted by last arrow:
Mark touched on the problem of the footrest earlier. I know a lot of people use the ameristep strap on steps, but they are apparently no longer available - I can't find any. Screw in steps are hard on your feet unless you wear a boot with a heavy duty steel shank. Also screw in steps will rotate when you lean out and make noise against the bark.
I have three options I use. First, I use the "Step Ladder Steps" which are also no longer available, and generally only use them on prepared stand locations because they can be tricky to tie on correctly in the dark and are heavy and bulky. Three or four at your final elevation allow you to work around most trees.
My second and cheapest option for prepared stand locations is homemade 4x4x8 inch wood wedges with a hole drilled through them attached to the tree with hollow braided rope and a carabineer, or a ratchet strap. A large replacement chain link is a lower cost substitution for the carabineer, it is just not as quick in the tree. No more than 2 blocks per rope or it is hard to get them tight. These are the most comfortable footrests but are bulky and heavy for moving.
My third option that I use when roaming or hunting new spots that haven't been prepared is a Gorilla Brand steel strap on tree seat. This provides a nice platform and is big enough you can get by without any other steps around a small to medium tree. Use additional steps on large trees. Once again this is more bulky than I would like but is some what portable and easy to hang in a tree when in a new area. A Lone Wolf Assassin stand is the light weight but expensive version of this.
Also, I use rope on EZ climb (Cranford) steps because screw in steps are illegal on the public land I generally hunt. I will use screw in steps on private land with permission. I am going to try the no step climbing method shown in the earlier posts during the off-season. Maybe next year I won't need steps, only footrests at my desired height.
What other foot-rest options are there, especially low cost options?
Just an fyi, the stepladder steps ARE available again for purchase. Youtube stepladder tree steps & you will find the email address. You have to sign a waiver of liability & mail it with your payment.
Just email the man who invented them & he will give you details.
Mysticguido,
I don;t use the rope on steps for foot rests because they shift to much for me. Kevin Dill sums it up pretty well in this post.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=111557
I've been following this thread for a while, as I had just been looking online at the Guido's web and Tree Saddle systems, due to some of the areas I hunt being either next to impossible to put a stand up due to terrain, or the fact that the deer in one of the areas I hunt love to look up at already hung treestands. I love the idea of quick setup and portability, and that you can set-up just about anywhere.
Has anyone on here tried the CLIMB PAWS strap on steps? I found a link to this system on the GW website. I've been looking at those as an option for steps that don't screw in, as well as maybe using them as steps to create a platform for around the hunting height. I'm interested in seeing how this thread unfolds. Thanks for posting this and thanks to all who have contributed so far.
For you Stepp Ladder users. heres an adjustment i made to my Stepps years ago. The original Stepp had a One point contact for the base. I was never sold on that. It would dig in a soft bark and cant slightly. No disrespect to Jim, he made an ingeniuos product with a niffty knot, but he lives in Maine and weighs a a buck fifty. At 240 with the smell of fried chicken on my breath, standing on the side of the Stepp, i could wiggle some.. So i took my 14 Stepps to local welder and got him to split the prong. add bar for support......bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!......Money!!!!!!!!!!!....i got something Now...give it a try
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AmericanHunter.....I actually tried the Climb Paws at Guido's Web shop several weeks ago.. surprised me!!!... They were really solid. I like then but 12 together would be bulky for me and maybe not for others. I could see me however using them for several bases at the top. they do buckle together which I am sure they use a quality buckle but..........IMO buckles scare me....However as I have said so many times, if you fall in Guidos it's a comfortable 6" ride!....I NEVER EVER climb with my Guido Not tethered around the tree at all times. I take it a step further also, I do notmclimb with lineman belt but the tether and hooked in.. you don't want to fall with just a lineman's belt because it could be a really rough fall unless you are a trained pole climber ,lumberjack ect.
QuoteOriginally posted by last arrow:
Mysticguido,
I don;t use the rope on steps for foot rests because they shift to much for me. Kevin Dill sums it up pretty well in this post.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=111557
Wasn't talking about steps, was talking about the cranford strap(s)
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Mysticguido - in that picture he's using the webbing loop as an ascender - essentially that's only used for climbing (and personally that'd not be the most comfortable way to climb, as it puts a lot of pressure on the instep and requires you to balance a bit.) In order for that to work really well, it has to be under tension, otherwise the runner could slip down the tree a bit.
I think my favorite platform/steps for hanging out at the top would be either the footsteps daisy chained around a ratchet strap, or something like an aluminum Gorilla tree seat (not the steel HX models that are out now).
For any of you Step Ladder users:
How easy are they to carry in the field ?
I have looked at the web site and they seem to be a great system.
I think for a stand site that is a permanent site for the season the climbing sticks or similar would be fine but for situations when hunting a new spot I would like to find a system that is extremely light weight, portable and quick to set up on the way up the tree.
Great thread Dave. I'll be checking the classifieds after hunting season. lot of deals on there some times. If not , I'll probably get one Guido. Just got to figure out how to get some of them cool platforms like joey's got. DB
QuoteOriginally posted by batman:
Great thread Dave. I'll be checking the classifieds after hunting season. lot of deals on there some times. If not , I'll probably get one Guido. Just got to figure out how to get some of them cool platforms like joey's got. DB
Here ya go!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ita-L2l4P4
I'm getting my GW next month, I'm excited!!!
I know there will some climbers and lock on's for sale for sure. :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Mark Baker:
The only drawback "facing the tree" is the footrests, and sore knees. You can overcome the sore knees easily with pads. I've yet to see a good, lightweight option for footrests. Treesteps are too spindly, and your body weight eventually tires you out, so something with a wider platform would be best, I think.
Check out Climb Paws. This is the best thing I have found for use as a platform (short of a true platform like the Lone Wolf or small stand JoeBuck had made up for him) for sling type stands. Rig up 4 or 5 on a ratchet strap and you are in business.
Made up a bridge out of some climbing rope I had lying around today. Took the Web out to the yard and gave it a try from ground level. I made the bridge about 24 inches long since that is what was mentioned on another site that is currently talking about using Tree Saddle hookup with GW. Worked really well from the ground and seemed to take care of some of the mobility issues I have noticed with the GW setup. Going to give it a real test after Christmas back in NC.
I will try to check back in with how the real world test goes up in the trees.
Sat in my buddies yesterday. That sucker is very comfy. I like my saddle but Im gonna play w/ the Guido some this off season.
I wanted to share an idea I had (probably been done before), that I have decided to implement into my new Guido's Web trad bow 2012 setup. As I've said before, I'm VERY serious about drastically streamlining the amount of "stuff" I take to the woods. This fly fishing vest will be replacing the back pack I used to carry.
Specifically, the reason I chose this is because mostly everything is accessible from the front. I'm VERY luck to have found THIS vest, for next to nothing! Since the GW back support goes up the back, I theorized that this would not only be very convient, but comfortable as well. I can fit EVERYTHING I need to take with me bowhunting with trad equipment, in the GW, the vest, or in the cargo pockets of my hunting pants. My tripod I will store at the base of my tree, covered with leaves as I've always done.
I seriously considered using my turkey vest, but like the fly fishing vest pocket (17 total) orientation better. So I don't know if this will help anyone, but I wanted to share the idea. I will be purchasing the GW, & all new HD camera gear next month, so stay tuned...
Merry Christmas, & Happy New Year. :thumbsup:
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Here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7IAgwDkTc0
Hey Dave! Good stuff right there. look forward to your next video on Guidos. thanks for advice on the climbing strap. I'll give it a whirl with my Guido. Keep up the great Info work.
Yep, that is slick. I am going to have to get one of those Guido's and climbing straps. It would be good for the traveling hunter; lot easier to check that bag on the airplane than the Lone Wolf and sticks!
Very cool! Now I am wondering if a near geezer can climb and shoot out of one of those things. I am impressed with the safety aspect and Dave's efficient rigging. The more I go the less I like going up a tree with treesteps, climbing sticks, etc. Wondering how quiet one of those can be in a big loblolly pine...
It seems like there is a lot more movement required to get into position to shoot, am I mistaken about that? Are there any problems maintaining a consistent shooting form?
QuoteOriginally posted by GregD:
It seems like there is a lot more movement required to get into position to shoot, am I mistaken about that? Are there any problems maintaining a consistent shooting form?
To tell ya the truth, it's so new to me I'm not sure. I had only shot 6 arrows out of it, before I filmed the shooting section of the vid.
I expect that with more practice, it will only get better. It felt great to shoot out of it, just very different from anything I am previously used to.
The next day off I have I plan on getting 20 ft up, with a dozen arrows and shooting quite a bit. I couldn't be happier with it, I just need to learn how to use it.
I sold my step ladder steps, and much prefer lone wolf climbing sticks. I use webbing to carry them on my side, 4 straps...done. I actually got the mini for the last stick, so 5 straps, lighter, less fuss, and a couple screw ins and you are set. I was good at the step ladder, and before lone wolf sticks, that's all I used. The guido's web is very comfy, I took Joe's advice on some of the set-up and much better.
Downside is that when deer are close, you can't move to position for a shot. I wear wool and still you can hear the fabric scrape, and at close range, so can the deer. I need to position for a guaranteed shot to the left (rh shooter) or I would be lucky to pull it off. I still tend to use my lone wolf stands over the web, but should probably use it more to figure out nuances of shooting different directions.
Okay been looking and researching this product for the last week. Thanks to all for the indepth knowledge on here helped alot. My question is this how much colder do you get using this and it would appear rain would flow down straps? Rain thinking of a gasket flange to stop it or stop.
toddster, it s actually warmer than a lock on for two reasons
1. The tree in front blocks wind. For example on a north wind , I set up on the south side of tree to anticipate game moving up wind of me. I position my stand so my shot is on left side , north to west.. Many a morning I have positioned myself out of wind. If wind changes , I move around the tree, a traditional loc on on that and most situations blows in your face.
2. The back rest and padded seat are really warm and block wind. Down fall in the south, in early oct it is too warm and have to dress accordingly.
Rain, maybe a down pour water could run down the trunk then onto a strap but that kind of rain I climb down. Really no difference in wetness vs a lock on
Good luck and hunting
Makes sense thanks joebuck, for your experiance and knowledge.
I have made up a bridge for my GW for this season which makes the set up a little more versatile and maneuverable. Going to give it a thorough run down this season and should know by the end of the season whether this is going to be my "go to" stand system or whether it will fine a new home.
Just ordered a GW for next yr so I guess I need to read this