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Title: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: owlbait on November 29, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
Hey Gang, I have a 62" Zipper recurve 44#@28". My draw is @29. Can someone point me in the right direction for using one of these shafts? I haven't shot aluminum for quite awhile and can get some "new old stock" shafts reasonable. Thanks for any help or suggestion.
Mike Gerard  owlbait
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: KentuckyTJ on November 29, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
I think 2114's Mike. I shoot 50-52 lb bows and a 2117 is too stiff for my setups.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: ksbowman on November 29, 2011, 10:50:00 PM
If you have to choose one of the two the 2114s are alot closer in spine for you. The 2117s are way heavy.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: owlbait on November 29, 2011, 10:54:00 PM
Any idea what point weight I should shoot for? Sure appreciate the help guys!
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: ksbowman on November 29, 2011, 10:59:00 PM
I'd start with 150-160 gr total (broadhead and adapter) then go from there. I bet the 160 is pretty close.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: KentuckyTJ on November 29, 2011, 11:01:00 PM
I agree with ksbowman
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: Night Wing on November 29, 2011, 11:13:00 PM
Just curious. What length arrow are you going to shoot?
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: owlbait on November 30, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Hey Joe, I'm thinking 30". Do you think I should go full length or cut it closer to my draw length? Thanks for the help everyone!
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: KHALVERSON on November 30, 2011, 06:57:00 PM
mike
im thinkin you should leave them long
to start and trim as nessasary

i have a few 2016s if ya wanna try em
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: owlbait on November 30, 2011, 07:07:00 PM
Thanks Kevin, I might do that, but the Sport Shop is trying to discount those Quattro shafts and I'm thinking maybe those 2114's would work good thru my lightweight, 62" limbs on that ZSR riser.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: KHALVERSON on November 30, 2011, 07:15:00 PM
mike
are you lookin for a good indoor league arrow
or tryin to get a good huntin set up?
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: owlbait on November 30, 2011, 07:39:00 PM
Multipurpose! I could use a "league" arrow, a 3D arrow that maybe I could punish you with, and possibly a deer arrow if I can get great flight from it.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: hvyhitter on December 01, 2011, 01:15:00 PM
you should try 2016s if you can....my "go to" 45# shaft...........smaller dia and thicker walls..........
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: Flyboy718 on December 01, 2011, 02:36:00 PM
2114 will be too weak...use the 2117 with 150 grain heads cut to 30" that will get you pretty close...sometimes I don't understand the arrow recommendations that are given...I see a lot of awfully weak shafts most of the time.  I shot a 45 @ 28" Quinn Stallion with 30" 2117 and 100 grain points and I draw to 30"  bare shafts flew awsome and grouped with the fletched.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: mongoose on December 01, 2011, 04:02:00 PM
I have a Pittston Predator Classic 43#@28" and I can shoot 2117's(29.5") with 200grn points, 3 4" fletch. Works just fine  :thumbsup:    :campfire:
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: ksbowman on December 01, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
Fiyboy, I can shoot 2114's with 57# @ 29 1/4" (30 1/4") with 160 gr. upfront and get great flight. Maybe your release is different. The 2117's fly like rocks for me with 160 gr. up front at 64#@29 1/4".
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: owlbait on December 01, 2011, 08:10:00 PM
Flyboy and mongoose, what is your total weight on those 2117's? Ben, what is your weight on those 2114's? The 2016 is not an option for the "new, discounted" shafts.   :D
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: ksbowman on December 01, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Mike, The 2114's weigh in at 375 gr. cut to 30 1/4" plus the broadhead (160)nets a total weight of 535 gr. I don't shoot these everyday, but have some setup for my lighter weight bows. My everyday is a 2215 and with broadheads they weigh in at 575-580. Both are withwraps,fletch, nock and screw inserts. My everyday bows are 54-64# bows. The lighter bows also handle the 2215's fine, but to keep the same trajectory the 2114's work out just right and I can switch from bow to bow and still hit relatively in the same place with different draw weights.I think you'll find the 2114 weigh 9.9 gr. per inch where the 2117's weigh 12 gr. per inch (basicly 20% more) which will affect your trajectory greatly.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: owlbait on December 01, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
Thanks Ben. That's the weight range I'm shooting for too. I'm going to give them a chance. I'll let you know how they work out. I appreciate your help everyone!
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: Night Wing on December 02, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
With your 29" draw length, if it was me, I'd start out with a 31" BOP (back of point) length arrow since you're shooting somewhere between 46#-47#. If your bow is cut past center, the 2117 arrow will really wallop a bag target if you want a heavy arrow setup for bowhunting. Taking into account your strike plate thickness, play around with the point weight.

Since my Blacktails are cut 3/16" past center, with a 1/8" thick strike plate, my 42# @ 30" recurve shoots a 32", 2117 with a 135 grain point weight. The 2117 is my very heavy arrow setup for my 42# bow.

The only intangible is the brace height. If I want to shoot a 125 grain point weight tipped to a 2117, I have to change my brace height.

I can also shoot a 32", 2215 tipped with a 130 grain point weight which is a heavy arrow also, but not as heavy as a 2117.

The 32" 2215s overall arrow weight is 536 grains and the 32", 2117s overall arrow weight is 572 grains.  

Many people set the brace height for an arrow and never change it. Brace height experimentation is also involved if you want to shoot different sized spined aluminum arrows.
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: texophilite on December 02, 2011, 01:00:00 PM
I have always been able to make an over spined arrow work especially with a hunting head. I am pleased that my arrows group better with hunting heads than field points
Title: Re: 2114 or 2117?
Post by: Flyboy718 on December 02, 2011, 01:35:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
Flyboy and mongoose, what is your total weight on those 2117's? Ben, what is your weight on those 2114's? The 2016 is not an option for the "new, discounted" shafts.    :D  
Mine is about 510-515 grains