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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Phil Tuccillo on November 26, 2011, 12:27:00 PM
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Ordered 6 glue on Cliff heads the other day from Kustom King Archery. They are legal to hunt with here in MT. so I will give them a try next season. I thought they looked pretty cool, and I've never had a bad experience w/ a sharp zwickey.
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A agree they look cool and will likely work well. Which states are they legal in? They are illegal in AZ.
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Canyon, I'm not sure what all states they are legal in. I just checked our regs. and saw nothing in there about barbed broadheads. Does anyone know what makes barbed heads illegal? With all the junk broadheads out there guys are shooting it don't make much sense to me.
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just a guess, but in our State, lawmakers are NOT knowledgeable about anything hunting!!!!! They put the damn rifle season during the peak of the rut!!!
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just a guess, but in our State, lawmakers are NOT knowledgeable about anything hunting!!!!! They put the damn firearms season during the peak of the rut!!!
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I don't think they are legal in Michigan.
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Where I'm at it doesn't say they are illigal..All I can find is our arrowhead must be metal,7/8" wide and can't be poisonous...Nothing found anywhere about can't be barrbed but if someone does find it post me the imfo cause I checked and rechecked the web,the 2011 hunting manual and couldn't find that we can't so I'm getting some even if I don't hunt with them...No Law you can't buy them...
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They are neat looking heads anyway, they are legal in MO as far as I can tell.
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Warrior, you got that right about the ones who make the laws. We are pretty fortunate here with the FWP willing to take some input from the Montana Bowhunters Association about archery regs.IMO.....
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Those are neet looking heads. Looks to be legal in Wyo. All our regs say is that the broadhead must be steel and a minimum cut width of 1".
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Legal now in Illinois. Reference to non-barbed was removed a few years ago.
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If you can use a Rage legally in your state I would think that Barbed heads would be legal cause those mechanical things look like a Carp fishing head to me.
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I see nothing in the Wisconsin bowhunting regulation banning their use either.
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I've been searching and all I can find in Michigan was a minimum of 7/8" width. Can any Michigan archery experts confirm or deny this?
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Legal in Arkansas and Louisiana. I agree don't know why those political cry babies would outlaw a barbed head. If I don't get a complete passthru I want the broadhead in the animal to do as much damage as possible.
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I may have been wrong. After checking the latest AZ regs the only requirment is that broadheads have a metal cutting edge with a width of 7/8". Wish I had a set of the older regs to help me figure out if I am loosing my mind or not.
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Looks to be legal in Indiana. But we cant have poison or explosive tips :nono:
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i think most of those rules are refereing to harpoon type heads where you can atatch a rope or lead to an animal, thats just what i think. so i would not abide by that rule. thats just me!
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I Googled " barbed broadheads illegal" and came up with a list of states where they are not legal. Please bear in mind that this did not come from official State sources but from another forum discussing the VPA turkey head. The states where they are said to be illegal are: AK,IA,KS, MA, MN, MT, NY, OR, PA, SD, TN And Alberta Canada. This list is probably not complete, But I hope it helps. Some states only ban barbed broadheads for big game, so in those states you could still use them for rabbits and squirells.
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From what I see in the Texas regs., Texas has dropped any mention of barbed broadheads in the hunting regulations. So, if not specifically prohibited - they look to be legal in Texas. If someone knows different I'd like to hear it?
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From what I see in the Texas regs., Texas has dropped any mention of barbed broadheads in the hunting regulations. So, if not specifically prohibited - they look to be legal in Texas. If someone knows different I'd like to hear it? How do they pull from a broadhead target - might be a one way trip.
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What Tim said. Went thru the Mo. regs. We have our regs. written so that unless it expressly states that it is illegal, it's legal. No mention of barbed heads. minimum width or minimum draw weight. So, they're legal here.
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Uncle Buck, Like you said that info. did not come from state sources. Everyone who is interested in hunting w/ these heads needs to check there states regs. on broadhead requirements. They are legal in MT. according to the regs. and as told by our local game warden, so be sure not to go by that googled source.
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I agree its better to be sure than sorry
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Owlbait, what do you base that on? I've been searching everywhere on the DNR web site and the only thing I've found so far was a point size requirement (I think 7/8") for crossbows. Were you able to find something specific for MI bow hunting? I can't even find a minimum bow weight and surely there must be one.
Ron
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Ron, I was going on what I believe the rules used to be. I'm sure I read it somewhere, but I've been doing this for almost 40 years here in Michigan so I may have lost my "exactness" on my memory. If it did change, I'm not sure when, but I'm sure the mech broadhead manufacturers probably had a hand it it. All I could find on my newest searches was the 7/8" minimum also.
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Barbed broadheads are illegal in N.C.
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my $.02 is do not like the idea of barbed broadheads. If I make a non-fatal hit the arrow will fall out and the animal has a chance. With a barbed head that arrow will not fall out and that animal will die..sometime next week.
Just my thoughts.
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Joe, that was exactly what the reasoning was behind banning the barbed head, at least from what I remember. It isn't in there doing extra damage, it is just in there, and making it harder for the animal to recover from a non-lethal hit.
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From "Hunting the Hard Way" by Howard Hill...
"If the barbed-head type of broadhead is used and it is shot completely throught the prey, there are ten chances to one that the protruding head will hang on some limb or brush in a short time and will pull the shaft out, so that if the game has not been hit in a vital spot, there will be left a clean wound which will heal quickly. For this one reason I use only barbed broadheads.
I have never seen a broadhead arrow come back out the way it went in unless someone pulled it out, no matter what type of shoulder the head had; yet during my twenty-five years of hunting, I have had at least thirty arrows pulled out by having the barbed head hang on limbs, weeds, tall grass, and so on."
In the fifties there was a distinct disrespect for the power and efficiency of the bow and arrow. The myth of the "pincushion deer" flourished during this time and it seems that game commissions succumbed to public sentiment... for the most part I believe they harbored the same sentiments.
The barbed broadhead was seen as cruel and inhumane and to a great extent that mind set persists to this day.
My experience with barbed heads echoes that of Howard Hill.
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I appreciate hearing that info Charlie.
thanks,
Brian
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Interesting info Charlie. I've seen non-barbed arrows back-out ,if you will, and drop from a deer. Even seen a pass thru pull out on a non-barbed too. I would guess the head shape itself lends itself to catching on to brush, weeds, etc and pulling the rest of the way thru. You and Howard have a ton more experience than I do, and I can see where public opinion may have swayed actaul field results. I'd like to see Myth Busters do a show on this one! Which barbed heads have you used? Those Zwickeys look deadly for sure.
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I am from Texas and was wondering on the legality of the head and was told by a gamewarden that the current regulations now allow the use of this type of broadhead. They once were illegal hear, but no longer.
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Charlie, you are a wealth of information! I was going to ask a question on barbed heads and you covered it and more.
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I've used the "new design" Howard Hill broadheads that I modified to make them barbed and also heads that I made myself. (Hill's first offering of commercially produced heads were barbed)
My latest barbed heads were made for me by Doug Campbell and replicate the head design favored by Saxton Pope.
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Here's a pic of the Pope broadhead template.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/charlie/PopeandYoungTemplatetang.jpg)
A couple other advantages of this style is that surface area is reduced which helps remove extra weight and also makes the broadhead more aerodynamic, reducing chance of windplaning.
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Excellent info on this broadheads , they sure will look nice on some wood arrows with natural turkey feathers
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I just got 6 my self. they flew great for me.cant wait to take a deer with one.
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Well if Charlie says they're legal I guess I oughtta give 'em a try. :thumbsup:
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
From "Hunting the Hard Way" by Howard Hill...
"If the barbed-head type of broadhead is used and it is shot completely throught the prey, there are ten chances to one that the protruding head will hang on some limb or brush in a short time and will pull the shaft out, so that if the game has not been hit in a vital spot, there will be left a clean wound which will heal quickly. For this one reason I use only barbed broadheads.
I have never seen a broadhead arrow come back out the way it went in unless someone pulled it out, no matter what type of shoulder the head had; yet during my twenty-five years of hunting, I have had at least thirty arrows pulled out by having the barbed head hang on limbs, weeds, tall grass, and so on."
In the fifties there was a distinct disrespect for the power and efficiency of the bow and arrow. The myth of the "pincushion deer" flourished during this time and it seems that game commissions succumbed to public sentiment... for the most part I believe they harbored the same sentiments.
The barbed broadhead was seen as cruel and inhumane and to a great extent that mind set persists to this day.
My experience with barbed heads echoes that of Howard Hill.
I learned much I did not know from your post. Thank you!
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Anyone know if the Clff Zwickey's are illegal in Iowa? Thanks
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Barbed heads are not legal in Kentucky.
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They are illegal in OR and according to a F&W biologist I talked to it is because it makes it harder to shed a non lethal hit, especially something like a shallow hit from hitting heavy bone.
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Classy looking heads. I got me a half dozen. Since they are legal in Texas, I may try them out on javelinas in Jan.
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Trying them this fall in Wisconsin.