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Title: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Spearchukka72 on November 20, 2011, 01:48:00 AM
I`m sure this has been dicussed before but I can`t find a decent answer anywhere. I am a right handed archer and have always used left wing feathers with a left helical. My wife is a lefty and I flecth her arrows with right wing and right helical. Now this is purely about economics - will I be able to use her right wing feathers on my arrows and if so - right or left helical?
Thanks
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Looper on November 20, 2011, 01:53:00 AM
You need to match the helical to the wing. Right wing, right helical. Left wing, left helical. If you try to mix it up, you'll get some really noisy flight.

I'm right handed and use left wing/ left helical, but don't notice any difference when using right wing/ right helical.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Spearchukka72 on November 20, 2011, 02:14:00 AM
Thanks for that.
I`ll give it a try. I`ve heard about the noise issue before. Now it`s all about clearing the shelf I suppose....
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Bill Sant on November 20, 2011, 02:40:00 AM
Definitely do as looper says,,,,right wing feathers only being fletched by right helical fletcher and left to left hand fletchers.  As for the old school idea of right handed shooters using left helical, that has pretty much been debunked.  You can shoot right hand fletched arrows out of your right hand bow just fine.  It used to be the belief that left helical helped the arrow spin away from the shelf, when in fact the arrow doesn't spin at all for quite a distance past the bow when shot, so that theory has gone the way of the dodo bird.  You can use any feather configuration with whatever bow you want as long as the arrow is tuned for your bow.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Spearchukka72 on November 20, 2011, 02:49:00 AM
Outstanding news!
I`ve just bought my wife 2 x 100 packs of the nicest RW feathers.
She`ll  use less than half of that. Now I know where the rest is going.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Night Wing on November 20, 2011, 06:54:00 AM
The shape of the feather has more to do with noise than left wing, left helical or right wing, right helical twist.

It's a known fact a 5" shield cut shaped feather will make more noise in flight than a 5" parabolic shaped feather.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: straitera on November 20, 2011, 07:21:00 AM
Should be a slow-mo vid in the archives showing arrow flight w/each (RW, LW, & straight) out of RH bows. Less shelf & riser contact w/RW vs LW & Str out of RH bows. BUT, minimal contact w/cock feather in also. Suit yourself.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: kpete on November 21, 2011, 03:05:00 PM
I am a righty and have used rightwing feathers fletched right wing helical for over 30 years.
Just send the other half of the right wing fletches to me.  I am sure they will work.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: bowhunterportugal on April 22, 2012, 10:15:00 AM
I'm sorry about the question but I'm new at this.

I'm left handed. Should I use right wing or left wing? Right helical or left?
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Flinttim on April 22, 2012, 10:26:00 AM
I've always used left wing (I'm right handed) because that's what I read or heard. I picked up some right wing full lengths at KZoo last year and decided to fletch up a new dozen arrows. I get a LOT better flight. Must be my release or something but it's right wing for me from now on.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Bjorn on April 22, 2012, 10:42:00 AM
I'm right handed and have used both; I got a deal on right wing Bitz'es years ago so RW is it for me.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: gringol on April 22, 2012, 10:58:00 AM
Either one will work.  You can't tell the difference when you shoot.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: traditionalman on April 22, 2012, 12:08:00 PM
In theroy a right hand shooter should shoot left wing an a left hand shooter should shoot right wing. Your feathers should turn away from your shelf for better shooting.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Alexander Traditional on April 22, 2012, 12:14:00 PM
I've heard that as long as you match the helical to the cut you are all right. I've heard the arrow doesn't start spinning until it is a few feet from the bow,so you can go either way.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: bowhunterportugal on April 22, 2012, 01:42:00 PM
But, won't it be harder to glue a right wing with a left helical? Won't the "base" (don't know the name, sorry) of the feather be twisted opposite side?
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Zdogk9 on April 22, 2012, 02:24:00 PM
I'd stay away from left wing feathers, unless you keep a close eye on them they'll be writing letters to the editor calling for stricter gun control. They are prone to to voting democrat, and tend to soak themselves in patchouli. I've noticed no difference in the shooting qualities of either though.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: gringol on April 22, 2012, 05:33:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by bowhunterportugal:
But, won't it be harder to glue a right wing with a left helical? Won't the "base" (don't know the name, sorry) of the feather be twisted opposite side?
Just make sure your fletching jig and feather are the same (both RW or both LW).
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: JamesKerr on April 22, 2012, 07:38:00 PM
I am right handed and have used both right wing and left wing. Just make sure you fletch a right wing on a right helical clamp and left wing on a left helical clamp.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: old_goat2 on April 22, 2012, 10:50:00 PM
Just have to match the feathers to the clamp/jig, I shoot both and can't tell the difference, I miss equally well with both
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 23, 2012, 12:58:00 AM
I have played with both and see very little difference. I am right handed and shoot right wing most of the time.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Grey Taylor on April 23, 2012, 01:07:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by traditionalman:
In theroy a right hand shooter should shoot left wing an a left hand shooter should shoot right wing. Your feathers should turn away from your shelf for better shooting.
This is one of the old "rules" of archery which has now been settled to be false. This whole thread is full of people showing that they have seen no difference in which wing they shoot.
As has also been mentioned, the arrow can not turn until it is off the string and high speed photography shows that they don't turn until well away from the bow.
However... some shooters, especially those shooting off their hands or with their hands very close to the arrow rest, have found they get better clearance with the old standard. Other people in the same situation don't find any difference at all.
As long as we've got this old archery "fact" rolling, perhaps we should ressurect the osage vs. white woods debate!

Guy
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Dave Worden on April 23, 2012, 07:27:00 PM
Bowhunterportugal, yes they will be difficult to load into the wrong clamp.  The feathers have a natural curve and if that curve is counter to the helical clamp you're using, you'll have to fight them to get them into the clamp. You can do it, but why?  Left wing - left helical.  Right wing - right helical.  If you're fletching straight, either wing will work, but again, don't mix left and right wing feathers on the same arrow.  You can, however, mix a dozen arrows, some left helical, some right helical, and you probably won't be able to tell which is which by shooting/acuracy.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: BOWMARKS on April 23, 2012, 07:41:00 PM
For some odd reason there are a few of us out there that have trouble with the right wing feathers cutting our bow hand.  :dunno:    :dunno:
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: 7 Lakes on April 23, 2012, 08:05:00 PM
Here is the real difference from an old timer.

Many years ago the guys that caught up the turkeys for transport to the slaughter house were mostly right handed.  It was easier for them to grab up more turkeys by the right wing in their right hand thus destroying more right wing feathers.  This led to an overabundance of left wing feathers for use in archery applications.  Left wing feathers became less expensive and more and more people began ordering left handed jigs. This is how left winged fethers originally became more popular than right winged.

I don't believe anyone can tell the flight difference between the two.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Grey Taylor on April 23, 2012, 09:22:00 PM
Bowmarks, I absolutely agree that some archers have clearance issues. Those folks should use what works for them.
But not everyone has that same clearance problem. I shoot right handed and have always used right wing feathers. I don't experience that clearance issue... go figure?
What I get my panties in a bunch over is people blindly repeating the old saw of right hand/left wing and left hand/right wing without giving any thought to the issue. Or saying that the feathers should rotate away from the shelf when we can plainly see on any number of YouTube videos that the arrow doesn't begin to spin until it is well past the bow. Even common sense would tell people that the arrow can't spin until it's left the string.

Guy
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: dragon rider on April 23, 2012, 09:31:00 PM
At the risk of being redundant, there is no sound evidence for the proposition that it matters whether you shoot LW or RW fletching.  Nothing happens until the arrow has flown well beyond the riser.  

There is ONE EXCEPTION - if you shoot single bevel broadheads, match them to your fletching.  Otherwise use whatever you want.

There have been several tests that suggest that straight fletching is quieter than helical fletching.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Don_G on April 23, 2012, 09:37:00 PM
Don't know much about general rules, but I read years ago that a RH shooter should use LW. But it's now much harder to find LW, so I used RW for years.

However, no less authority than Ashby says when using Right single-bevel heads, you should use RW, and vice-versa.  Also, he said(and my experience backs it up) that in general a Left Bevel and Left Wing combo has the advantage that the twisting acceleration tightens the head in the shaft rather than loosening it. If you glue your heads in, then this won't matter.

Edit to Add: I guess this took 7 minutes to type!
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Andy Cooper on April 23, 2012, 09:43:00 PM
LW feathers spin an arrow clockwise, yes? Wouldn't that tend to keep screw-in heads from loosening...or am I thinkin' bassakerds?
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Orion on April 23, 2012, 09:46:00 PM
Left wing feathers spin counter clockwise and loosen heads when they hit.  Right wing feathers spin clockwise and tighten the heads when they hit.  Spinning clockwise, the shaft tries to screw itself into the head.  Spinning counterclockwise, it tries to unscrew itself from the head.
Title: Re: Right wing VS Left wing?
Post by: Don_G on April 23, 2012, 09:51:00 PM
The LW w/left bevel is sort of self-explanatory.  

With a double-bevel head when a RW (clockwise spinning shaft) hits the target, the spinning stops and the head tightens in the shaft.

Left wing feathers tend to spin an arrow counter-clockwise, but the left bevel head spins it even faster when it hits flesh - and the acceleration tightens the shaft.

I think.   :)