Hey Gang,
South is in the process of developing new limbs for his new "hybrid/classic" handles. These recurve limbs will be the new interchangeable limbs. This will allow you to shoot both recurve and longbow limbs on the same riser.
South has decided to experiment by building a few static recurve tips. It is still very early in development. What do you guys think about static tips? Pros? Cons? Suggestions?
I'll be sure to keep you guys updated.
Aloha!
Ryan
Ryan,
I know a lot of guys that love Jack Kempf's Static limbs, I have not tried them yet.
Ed
Great idea! Dryad makes a static tip bow that's very popular!
Thanks for the input guys! Any other insights regarding static tips?
Check out some posts about Sovereign Ballistiks. Smooth draw, fast at lower weights, no hand shock. I often wonder why more bowyers don't build static limbs. BTW...his machines and patterns are up for sale. South could probably make a go of it.
I would love to see that!!
Interested. Shot a buds RER w static tips. I liked. I hope South can have a demo ready for KZoo.
I good static tip is hard to beat IMO. I've had a couple and have been much impressed with them. For my dollar, I prefer them over non-static.
I will say this though, I poorly designed/inefficient static tip is no better than any other limb. Being a "static tip" is kind of trendy but without doing some pretty good research and development it would be easy to turn out another "vanilla" limb.
Please understand, in no way am I implying that South would do that. Just stating an obvious fact that consumers will rush to a great design and shy from one that's ho-hum.
I think it's a great idea and look forward to seeing (and shooting) anything coming out of the Stalker shop.
I have been looking at South's bow for a while now....I have a RER with Static tip limbs and really like it. Maybe those static tips will push me over the edge to get one....lol!
Thanks for all the info gang.
hockey7,
I'll try to do a search.
Jedimaster,
I totally agree with what you're saying. I'm hoping to get additional information from the gang to help with the R&D process.
ron w,
I'll be sure to post some pics in the near future. ;)
Aloha!
Ryan
The only thing I would like improved on South's recurve is to make the tips more stiff(so it's not so easy to twist the limbs).If the static tipped curve is timed correctly and more stiff at the limb tip w/out sacrificing performance,than why not!
The Fazio(sp) static is by far the best static I've shot but there are some I have yet to try.
Static tips are Smokin! :thumbsup:
Those first few static tip prototypes are fun to play with. Definitely worth while. IMO
Back off on your taper rate, and hold on to yer lug nuts, you are in for a ride! :biglaugh:
Good sport!
Btw.... how bout some pics?
I just got my Raven with static tips from Jack Kempf. It smokes a arrow,dead in the hand and whisper quiet. Have his KWYK STYK also. Jack has it going on with his static tips. Unbelievable BOWS I love them.
Good luck, Randy
QuoteOriginally posted by rjackson:
I just got my Raven with static tips from Jack Kempf. It smokes a arrow,dead in the hand and whisper quiet. Have his KWYK STYK also. Jack has it going on with his static tips. Unbelievable BOWS I love them.
Good luck, Randy
how about some pics? :bigsmyl:
Guru shoots a Kemp bow with static limbs. Cannot deny how well he shoots it. Can't imagine him shooting anything but what he considers to be the best.
I love the Tracker longbow I got from South and just figured out the correct arrow to use. The longbow shoots "lights out". Very quick, quiet and stable. If he can come up with a static limb that's as good as the longbow limb he'll be making lots of them.
I'll be sure to post some pics and videos as soon as I get my hands on one of the prototypes.
Thanks again guys!
Ryan
I have had three Rivers Edge bows with the static tips. I really liked them. With a good limb design I don't think you can go wrong.
Is there room on the left coast for another static limb bow? :bigsmyl: I like my Stalkers as is, great wood combinations, excellent finish, and good performance. South has a nice line-up of choices available now also. It may pay off better to continue to tweak what South has now then to go into another niche of trad archery.
Hey Mike,
What type of tweak would you recommend to his current recurve limb design? Looking for suggestions, keep in mind that the new riser is a little slimmer.
Mahalo and Aloha!
Ryan
P.S. Say hi to the family!
I have one of Sixby's static-tipped Talons. It is quiet and really smokes an arrow. For some reason, though, it scares the crap outta me to brace it :scared: ... but doesn't stop me! :bigsmyl: I should probably mention, too, that it is a work of art! :thumbsup:
Ryan, I was thinking along the lines of some new core materials, ala a foam matrix, some carbon, I really like the feel of the accelerator limb wedges on the Zippers. Maybe stiffen up the limbs just a touch, and I like the slimmer riser as long as he can maintain the grip he has. That is the best feature, most repeatable grip I have shot. Maybe a more radiused shelf also.
Static tips produce an extremely even force draw curve when made in the recurve style. I have never shot the lever (Kemph) style so I cannot speak to that.
The draw of the static tip bow is so smooth and even it just blows you away the first time you try one. They also are extremely quiet as the string goes back on the limb very early and does not slap the limb like a working recurve does.
Another thing you get with static limbs is a longer draw with very little if any finger pinch. The design just has tons going for it.
I have been building statics now for quite a few years and no way am I going the other direction.
I think South is making a smart move. If something works better then you should address it instead of sticking with something that is a bit less efficient and does not have the inherient qualities that a static has.
EagleWing Talon 11 now has double carbon, foam core or yew core available with static tips.
Andy one of the main reasons i changed the design of the Talon 1 was easier stringing. What I did not want to do was change performance. It worked.
God bless you all, Steve
Andy,
I know what you mean! I owned one static and loved everything about it except for stringing it. Sold it because I just felt uncomfortable getting it to brace.
Thanks Mike!
Steve,
Thanks for your detailed info! I really appreciate it! I'm going to check out some of your bow pics right now!
I just got the bow in the mail. Here are the pics as promised. I'll be updating you guys with better pics and more info this week.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1202.jpg)
Stalker Hybrid Handle (interchangeable limbs)
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1199.jpg)
Unstrung Profile
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1204.jpg)
Strung Profile
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1201.jpg)
Top Limb
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1200.jpg)
Bottom Limb
58" Right Hand 59# @ 28"
Ryan, how about some pics next to your other Stalker? How much slimmer is it? Is Stacy going to help you string and draw that one back? :bigsmyl: Is South traveling to KaZoo or Compton's this next year?
Hey Mike,
I'm not sure of South's Schedule but I'll be sure to ask.
My biggest fear was stringing this bow up. I was totally surprised, it was actually really easy to string.
I will be sure to post more pictures. I need to take my string off of the stretcher so I can get a few shots off before dark.
I'll be back!
Ryan
What type of stringer are you using? Did South say what limb cores he used on this?
I like it. Cant wait to hear what you say Ryan.
Is there a tip overlay on the belly side of the limb? I'm asking because when I built my tips with that recurve I had a problem getting the notches cut in without the glass splitting. Answer was to add a thin overlay ala Damon Howatt.
God bless you and you all have a great Thanksgiving, Steve
Hey Mike,
I know it may not be the "correct" stringer, but I prefer the ones that attach to the tips of the limbs.
Steve,
Thank you for the valuable insight. Information like this can really shorten the learning curve and save money and time. He does have a thin lamination on the belly of the tips, but I'm not sure if it's for aesthetics or for added durability. I'll be sure to discuss this with him.
Gang,
Let me preface with saying that I only had one hour of shooting so far. I didn't run it through the chrono yet and I didn't map a draw force curve so everything is based on my opinion. I just wanted to give my first impressions.
58" STATIC TIP I'm shooting just under 9 gpp.
STRINGING: This was an area of concern since it was an issue for me as well as others who owned and shot statics. I had no problems stringing this bow. It's not a "radical" design and it strung up as easy as my standard Stalker limbs.
NOISE: In my opinion, this bow is the quietest Stalker recurve that I've shot so far.
SHOOTING: The bow had no limb vibration, dead in the hand. At brace there was a little more preload but the draw was smooth all the way to my anchor. Again I would have to map it out for the real results.
SPEED: I didn't chrono it yet but it did seem to have more preload, which in turn may add for more stored energy which could translate to more speed. Visually it seemed just as fast if not faster than my Striker model. I will get it chrono'd this week.
I'll be sure to add factual information in the coming month. I have a good feeling about this bow and I'm hoping to really put it to the test.
In all honesty, I didn't think South could build a bow that I would like better than my 56" Striker but if I can convince him to build a shorter model, I may be hunting with a Static Stalker for the new year!
Thanks gang!
Ryan
Ryan,
Could post a pic of that bow unstrung w/ the limb tips against a wall or flat surface.I want to see how far the tips go past the riser?
Hey Ryan: Tell south to put those limbs on his 1-piece riser, I'd buy one. Very Nice, have had an RER and Dryad Static Tip, both shot very well, smooth and quiet, a good design. RW
overbo,
I'll take some pics when I get home from work.
Ryan
Love static tip, my Border Hex-5Hs have the most radical statics I have seen and they are the fastest and quietest limbs I have ever owned. Love the looks of those Stalkers! Shawn
Thanks Shawn!
overbo,
Does this work?
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1215.jpg)
58" Stalker & 58" Static Stalker
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1211.jpg)
Limbs side by side
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1220.jpg)
Thanks Ryan. Can you get a picture of the risers in the same plane as the limbs. I'm amazed at how much slimmer those limbs are. Is the riser slimmer also? Any difference in the grip? Looks like the riser is a bit shorter to, eh? Thanks for all your pics Bro.
Mike
That grey stained curly maple looks familiar ryan ! Lol
Thanks Ryan,
Man those are narrow limbs.I like that alot!
Looks good. How did he make the limbs static? Did he use a wedge in the limb tips?
Thanks.
Ryan that is going to keep south busy love those narrow limbs Thanks Shane
Yup, gonna have to save some money and try out one of them for sure!! Love the look and the riser looks very nice, love the look of the grip! They will be interchangable? Great job!! Shawn
I like the fact that there is not a bunch of string laying on the limb when strung, some statics have a lot of string laying on the limb and ya get quite a bit of string slap. Shawn
Mike,
I'll be sure to get the additional pics up tonight.
Aloha Shane!
Good to hear from you.
Festivus,
I'll double check with South before I give you an answer.
Shawn,
Yeah, I'm really liking the design so far. Yes the static limbs and the longbow limbs will be interchangeable. This is the same riser that is on the "Hope and Faith" longbows. He has a "test drive" program too.
Aloha gang!
Looks great!!! I would love to shoot one!
I just got back from a week of hunting and shooting with the new limbs. It was my first chance to give them any real extended test, as I sprayed the last coat on my prototype limbs (and the bow I shipped to Ryan) the day before I left. The bow Ryan is shooting is only the third set of limbs of this design that I have built (I dropped off the other bow with Jason Hairston from Kuiu to get some feedback from him and his dad). I was a little nervous taking a totally new, untested bow out on a hunt, but I was so impressed with how the first set of limbs shot that I decided it would be a great way to get acquainted with the new bow. I got a chance to do a lot of stump shooting on the trip, but was plagued with crunchy snow, so no good shot opportunities presented themselves. I'm super happy with the results, but still want to do some more experimenting. Steve and I were talking on the drive home and were wondering aloud, "well what if we did this or that and it increased performance--even slightly!?!" We are going to be playing around with some tweaks to the forms and checking results on the chrono to see what happens. Time consuming and expensive, but FUN! I will keep you posted as I work on finalizing the profile. I expect to be able to be shipping by the first of the year (maybe if I push it, Santa will have a few in his sleigh!)
Sixby:
The profile of the static tip is determined by the shape of the limb form. It is cranked over pretty hard, that--along with an internal reinforment--keeps the profile of the tip intact as more force is applied to it as the bow is drawn. A "working tip" recurve has a much gentler, more gradual curve to the tip. It will flex some, straigtening out a little and becomes an extension of the working part of the limb.
After I get the profile on this limb hammered out, I'm thinking about playing with a static tip limb design on my other recurve handle. I was digging through some of the limbs that Stalker's founder, Charlie had made and found a set of static limbs he had built. When I questioned him about them on Monday, he said the string was a little too mushy at brace (not enough preload)and he was getting too much vibration. The limbs were really wide. I think the lack of preload and the extra mass weight he had with the wide limbs were the culprits. I'll be finding out soon.....
Nathan,
Those limbs should look familiar! I missed weight on your first set, so I made another handle to go with them. Ryan needed a test drive bow over on the island... so even if you can't vacation in heaven, at least a bow that was intended for you can kick it on the beach in paradise!
Whoops, my bad. The part of my first post that I'd addressed to Sixby was supposed to be addressed to Festivus's question. Sorry for the confusion Sixby.
Looks good South!!!
Sorry but I didn't have a chance to take more side by side pics today. I wanted to get to the local range before the sun went down.
Here is a group at 30yds. The bow seems to group well. I shot it out to 40 today.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_0168.jpg)
The bow tunes well. Here's the results from the paper tuning.
It seems forgiving. I can "heel" and "high wrist" the grip and get good results through paper. I also "gripped" the bow to see what happened and it still shot well.
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_0173.jpg)
I also ran it through the chrono. Keep in mind, I did not shoot it from a machine so there was human error. I did have my wife check to see that I shot the arrows at the same mark every time. She said at most, I was about an 1/16" off. Pound for pound between the static and the dynamic, I got a plus 2-3fps faster for the static.
So far, I am totally impressed with this bow. The bow is quiet, smooth and stable with speeds similar or a tad quicker than the standard Stalkers. It also groups and tunes well. Now for my true test, to find out if it's a great hunting partner.
Let me know if I can answer an other questions.
Aloha Gang!
Ryan
Hey Mike,
Is this is what you meant of a picture of the riser with the limbs in the same plane?
(http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t142/rysanpei/IMG_1249.jpg)
In my opinion, the grip "feels" the same but in what I would consider a low wrist.
Perfect Ryan. Thanks. South did well when he asked you to help him out.
TTT
This bow is looking to be a winner South....
Great review Ryan!
Will the limbs fitt you current recurves?
Thanks Jake!
String Cutter,
These limbs interchange on the hybrid riser. It's the same riser used for the 3pc longbow. These prototype limbs will not fit on his current recurve riser. In the future, South may experiment with static tip limbs for current recurve riser.
Aloha!
Ryan
It would be super Sweet if he came out with longbow and static limbs for his current recurves. :D
Soooo, I could get a set of limbs for the Ugly Green Monster riser? I need to see some limb prices! :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
Soooo, I could get a set of limbs for the Ugly Green Monster riser? I need to see some limb prices! :thumbsup:
unique green riser
just like you mike unique
My uniqueness comes from the Trad archery people I associate with! (Or that let me hang out with them)
South, sent you a pm about the limbs :)
Hey Mike,
Not could, should....You should get static limbs for your hybrid riser. :D
The prices are going to be similar to the longbow prices.
String Cutter,
Static limb tips for his current riser may be "in the works".
Thanks Ryan, what would look good with greenie? I'm not sure how to figure out limb prices on South's web site, can you pm some info to me while I go look again? What length was the ones you shot?
Mike,
Don't quote me on this, but extra limbs are about $425 according to his catalog.
I'm currently shooting the 58" limbs. Just shot them again today. It's going to be my "go to" bow for next year!!!
Thanks Ryan. I need to get a catalog. South still needs to fine tune the web site. Are the 58" limbs the shortest? I hope he makes it to Compton's or somewhere nearby so I can shoot them first.
My apologies for not keeping up with my website, I know it is lacking some current pricing info. I'll work on getting that to my webmaster so he can get it posted up. I confess, it is much more fun to build bows than it is to do the paperwork end of the business. :rolleyes: I am still working on nailing down the pricing for the static limb, but it will be LESS than the current recurve limb I'm building. It is not looking too promising that I will be making it to Kalamazoo this year. I have the ATA Show to attend a couple of weeks before Kalamazoo and it will be too much of a stretch to take an extra 5 days off in January. I will, however, be at PBS in March if any of you East Coasters make it out West to Portland.
I am planning on building the static from 56"-62". As Ryan pointed out, I am so excited about the performance of this new limb, that I will be experimenting with a new static for my regular recurve line. I'll keep you guys posted in coming months on that one.
I want me a set of those for mine new Honey. :notworthy:
I couldn't take it. I'm on the list of "Have to Have Them". Now I need to figure out what length, I wonder if the 56" will work for my (sometimes) 29"draw?
Up for Bill!
I love the static tips recurves from RER
AH HA HA !!! Im so stoked I got one comin !!!
Hope I don't sound dumb but I'm just getting into traditional... What are static tips vs conventional limbs?
Joshua,
I'm no expert at the subject, but I'll give you my opinion about statics.
They have a drastic curve near the limb tips which are designed to "stay put" during the "draw cycle". This may add preload at brace which in turn may add to more stored energy (more speed). The tips "stay put" so upon release, there may be less of a string slap, in turn a quieter bow. The tips may curve closer to the limb tips allowing for a smoother "working" limb. If designed correctly, you may end up building a smooth drawing, quiet bow that smokes an arrow. Just like any other bow, not all statics are built equally.
ryan and south-
i shot a surge recurve that a guy was reviewing for an australian magazine. it was a really nice bow. i liked the grip alot, the finish and workmanship looked 1st class. it shot very well too. overall i was impressed.
the only thing that i didn't like about it was the size of the limb tips. just my personal preference. i'd love so see them more rounded in cross section. the ones on this bow were quite square in cross section. for me if they were slimmed down and rounded off a little they would be more asthetically appealing. maybe the less tip mass would help performance?
JMHO south.
overall great bows man!
Thanks for the valued input Clint. If South doesn't see this post, I'll be sure to let him know.
Aloha!
Ryan
Clint, South has already sent(should arrive soon)one of his Hybrid risers with a set of longbow limbs and a set of static tip recurve limbs for a review.
I'll be bringing it to New Zealand with us so we'll get to have a play with it then.
From the feedback on this thread it sounds like it will be another great shooting bow from the Stalker fold.