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Title: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: BigCountryOK on October 25, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
I'm not sure if I'm crazy or what, but I have one bow that just leaves my shoulder and elbow in pain after a practice session.

It's a Korean Hwarang recurve and it's probably the smoothest bow that I have shot but for some reason I just hurt after shooting it for very long. I'm also more consistent with it than any bow so far.  It's 55lbs@28in and my longbow is 60#@28 but I don't seem to suffer the same pain with the longbow.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this?
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Stumpkiller on October 25, 2011, 11:41:00 PM
My left wrist after shooting my one and only longbow for any length of time.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: McDave on October 25, 2011, 11:54:00 PM
I've bought and sold many bows over the years.  Most were made by well-known bowyers.  Some I sold within a week after I bought them; some I still have and never intend to sell.  There is a big difference among bows, and if you get one you don't like, it's best to sell it and move on.  Hopefully sombody else will like it better than you did.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: 30coupe on October 25, 2011, 11:56:00 PM
Well, the grip position is probably way different from recurve to longbow. Changing from a low wrist (longbow) to a mid or high wrist (recurve) grip could cause pain in your bow arm.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: 8leg-lover on October 25, 2011, 11:59:00 PM
I had a Widow SAG that was like that for me. But man did I love to look at that bow.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: cyred4d on October 26, 2011, 07:21:00 AM
It happens, different wrist positions and types of bows can make it happen to anyone.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Bill Carlsen on October 26, 2011, 08:28:00 AM
I shot a Howard Hill longbow once. It hurt so bad i still have pain in my shoulder from time to time.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: JamesV on October 26, 2011, 09:30:00 AM
Won't mention the builder but I had a HH style longbow that had so much hand shock that it actually stung my hand when I shot it.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Stumpkiller on October 26, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
I think 30coupe hit it.  We all have different wrist shape/bones and some bows just don't feel right.  My favorite bow is a very high wrist - almost all contact is right at the web of my thumb.  Limits the draw force, but for me is very easy on the wrist.

A while back I took one shot with each of my bows, one right after another.  I was AMAZED how one of the recurve bows I remember as a nice little shooter kicked and was way louder than I remember.  We get used to what we shoot and forget or forgive faults.

That's what marriage is all about.  ;-)
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: lablover on October 26, 2011, 09:44:00 AM
Shot a Robertson recurve a few years back that did that. No shock smooth pull but after a while it just hurt at the elbow. Great bow just not for me. Never figured out what caused it same draw I now shoot, same grip style basically. Who knows?
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: dirtguy on October 26, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
I'd move on to another bow
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: BigCountryOK on October 26, 2011, 09:59:00 AM
Thanks for the feedback...The problem is that it's not my bow arm that hurts, its my right are (shooting right handed)

The only think I can think of is that the brace height is much shorter (5in) and for some reason the strain of the additional pull may be just a bit more than my worn out shoulder and elbow can handle.

Its a sweet shooting bow, but I may have to part with it and stick with the long bow.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: cbCrow on October 26, 2011, 05:34:00 PM
Big, what kind of bow do you shoot. That sounds like a very low brace height
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: SERGIO VENNERI on October 26, 2011, 08:52:00 PM
Probably as simple as that you are probably shooting it for to long at one time as compared to your longbow!?
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: BigCountryOK on October 27, 2011, 02:36:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by cbCrow:
Big, what kind of bow do you shoot. That sounds like a very low brace height
It's a Korean Hwarang recurve.  According to the bowyer 5-5.5in is the proper brace height.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Kanuck on November 30, 2011, 09:54:00 PM
Big C

The problem may be the way you are pulling it.  If you look at the way Asian bows are usually drawn, the bow starts out held high, the arrow is drawn back and the bow is pushed away.  The Koreans call it "Pushing the Mountain and Pulling the Tiger's tail" or something similar.  Bottom line is don't start with the bow arm extended and then reach forward and haul the arrow back - start high in the middle and move your hands in opposite directions.

There is plenty of good video of Korean traditional archery on You Tube to give you an idea.  

I'm also a longbow shooter and I've played a bit with a Mongolian style bow but I just put my order in for a Hwarang bow today.  Only 4-8 weeks to wait....
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Big Ed on November 30, 2011, 10:03:00 PM
Any bow over 50 pounds at my draw feels like the hardware is gonna fly apart in my hand!!!
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: moleman on November 30, 2011, 10:16:00 PM
I had a longbow like that,I loved the bow and the way it shot but the degenerated discs in my kneck said ,nope this aint gonna work.Traded for a different bow of heavier poundage and longer length and havent had the first issue with it.I guess if it aint broke dont fix it,so im still shooting it.  :archer2:
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Gray Buffalo on December 01, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
Yes I have and the new owner is real proud of it. In the old days I shot 70 to 80# bows and over the years my body wouldn't handle it anymore. A good bow should be shot and I couldn't anymore so I passed them on. I'm sure there are a few Gangers out there that understand.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Mudd on December 01, 2011, 11:13:00 AM
As the old country Dr. once told me "If it hurts, don't do it!".

Any bow that made me hurt and thus endanger my ability to shoot my other bows would be headed somewhere else PDQ.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: ron w on December 01, 2011, 11:54:00 AM
I have a R/D longbow that I got from a friend, he sold it so cheap because the hand shock was so bad he was in agony every time he shot it. I bought it and it was not good for me either. I started to play with a bit threw it on the belt sander and took the high wrist grip and made it low. Put it on the band saw and cut the thumb rest off. Kept raising the brace till I was happy with it. Now with a low grip and a brace of 8" this bow is a joy to shoot. It's fast, silent, no hand shock and I hunt with it now and then. I also loan it out when somebody needs a bow....I usually have to ask for it back! Maybe you can mess with yours to make it better!
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: joe skipp on December 01, 2011, 12:32:00 PM
Worse bow I ever shot was a Jerry Hill longbow. Not only hand shock but my elbow and shoulder would ache the next day.

Right shoulder problems could be the start of bone spurs or rotator cuff.
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: ron w on December 01, 2011, 02:38:00 PM
That's funny Joe.....I had a Jerry Hill that I wish I never traded, I really miss that bow and shot it well! I guess that's why they make different kinds....LOL!   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: bayoulongbowman on December 01, 2011, 04:08:00 PM
some self nows!!!!
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: Red Tailed Hawk on December 01, 2011, 06:21:00 PM
Some of the selfbows I have made sure packed a wollup!!! Some Dont!!!!
Title: Re: Ever have a bow that just hurts
Post by: JamesKerr on December 01, 2011, 06:55:00 PM
I have an old kodiak magnum. Love the way it shoots it just hurts my hand because of the grip if I shoot it for a long period of time. I much prefer a longbow grip than a recurve for the most part.