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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: ranger 3 on September 23, 2011, 04:45:00 PM
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This Magnus 150 buss cut Stinger was shot at a Bear last week at Eldon's place and was a complete miss over it's back and penetrated the barrel up to the feral and bounced out. It is still straight with a little damage to the blade.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm216/ranger500us/IMG_0816.jpg)
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They are definately tough. I have had good results with them myself.
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Not to start an argument but I really don't get the design of those or any other serrated blade design like that...just less cutting surface plain and simple.
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Originally posted by MikeW:
Not to start an argument but I really don't get the design of those or any other serrated blade design like that...just less cutting surface plain and simple.
You should do a little more research on it. Not saying you should or shouldn't use them, but they work just fine.
Stingers and Buzzcuts are both great, tough heads. Plus, Magnus is great to deal with.
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Serrations are scary. I have a folding knife my father gave me years ago. I have to sharpen the non-serrated part often. I have never shrpened the serrated part and it is still scary sharp. I have used the serrated part to saw through saplings as I bent them slightly. My experience is that serrations are a deadly cutting design and hold an edge well.
Good to see the Stinger hold up. I have wanted to try their 150gr BHs. Now I just might.
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Thats awesome good heads for sure. I got one of my first 3pt with a Buzzcut he didnt know what hit him! Im still gloomy that they sold their traditonal line of broadheads :(
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Magnus is great heads!!!
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I have had great luck with Stingers.
Very well made fly great and tough as hell.
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I have Stinger 150's on my trad rig. I've killed afew deer with Stingers, though w/the wheelie bow. One 8 pt I shot at 10 yards looking right at me. It entered the throat, cut the aorta, went into the chest cavity and came out under the backstrap. He ran about 150 yards into a Cypress swamp. A blind man on a 21 speed bicycle could have trailed him. Funny thing, I got the arrow but the Stinger came unscrewed and fell out somewhere as the buck ran. Right wing feathers helical. I have shot one deer with the buzz blades, but have since retired those main blades. I don't like them. I'm from the old school where we had the rubber band block example in Bowhunter ed., and I believe in the razor smooth cut denying platlets something to cling to.
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Originally posted by 2Blade:
Im still gloomy that they sold their traditonal line of broadheads :(
Are they no longer available? Ive been on the fence about these stingers for this upcoming season, but this thread has me leaning towards them. I mainly use the paper wheels to sharpen my heads, but I have other tools as well. How would you go about hitting the serrations?
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The serrations on buzz blades are not your normal " scooped out" serration. They are simple notches in what is otherwise a plain Stinger blade, therefore you sharpen them like if the serrations weren't there.
I will likely never use any other head. I grew up killing deer with Bear heads in the 80's. But the later heads were not quality controlled, and each differed from each other, and alot of them were not true on their axis ( ferrule). Plus for me, the ferrule seemed to get in the way of my sharpening device. So, With Magnus Stinger's removable main blade and guaranteed true on axis, it was a no brainer.
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You should do a little more research on it. Not saying you should or shouldn't use them, but they work just fine.
Stingers and Buzzcuts are both great, tough heads. Plus, Magnus is great to deal with.
I have and I've been bow hunting for 30+ years but I've never understood the engineering or physics behind a serrated blade, like I said before less cutting surface & less penetration period,why would you want that?
Yes Magnus is great I have a bunch of their heads and killed for few hogs with them.
Edit: I hope someone with a higher IQ than I comes in and backs me up.
:wavey:
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Thats why I love them !!
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They are good broadheads. mine are not the serrated. I have never had any problems with them.
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(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w31/clwalkerpic/IMG_0872.jpg)
Broke the ferrule trying to pull it out. This is the off shoulder after going through the lungs and heart. 42 lb. bow at 18yds.
Ya there tough enough.
(http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w31/clwalkerpic/IMG_0380.jpg)
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Originally posted by Zmonster:
Originally posted by 2Blade:
Im still gloomy that they sold their traditonal line of broadheads :(
Are they no longer available? Ive been on the fence about these stingers for this upcoming season, but this thread has me leaning towards them. I mainly use the paper wheels to sharpen my heads, but I have other tools as well. How would you go about hitting the serrations? [/b]
These are still available from Magnus as compound shooters use them as well. I believe the Snuffers were sold to company in Louisianna.
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Originally posted by MikeW:
You should do a little more research on it. Not saying you should or shouldn't use them, but they work just fine.
Stingers and Buzzcuts are both great, tough heads. Plus, Magnus is great to deal with.
I have and I've been bow hunting for 30+ years but I've never understood the engineering or physics behind a serrated blade, like I said before less cutting surface & less penetration period,why would you want that?
Yes Magnus is great I have a bunch of their heads and killed for few hogs with them.
Edit: I hope someone with a higher IQ than I comes in and backs me up.
:wavey: [/b]
I didn't mean to imply that you weren't an experienced hunter. I've just done a lot of reading up on these heads.
I can't remember all the technical jargon, but I have seen video of the buzzcuts passing through a deer faster than a stinger so I don't think penetration is the issue. This was performed on a dead animal.
I'll see if I can find the video. I've also seen video of Mike Sohm discussing the purpose of the blades....he says he prefers them for low poundage bows.
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Awesome broadheads !!!! :thumbsup:
Bill
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Stingers are the best screw in head for the money IMO.I love em.Thiers other great heads and probably tougher heads since some are thicker these days but they are cost prohibitive on my budget.The diamond tip is the bomb and they fly superb.Its a very well made head of high quality and precision.
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serated heads have been killing things for thousands of years.
anyone heard of stone?
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The physics behind them is called "shear". Take a piece of paper and pull it - it's tough to pull apart because of the "fibers" - just like meat or animal tissues. Yet, scissors cut (they actually shear) a piece of paper easily. Shear can make an easier cut on some tissues. The same reason I go for a steak knife instead of a smooth blade when cutting a tough steak. Every sharpened blade has serrations, you just can't see them without magnification - they're micro-serration.
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If the low spots, the serrations, are sharp and since flesh under the pressure of penetration will compress into the the surface of the blade, the serrations give the blade more cutting surface, not less. The part I am stuck on, it only penetrated up to the ferrule and then bounced back. Sounds to me like a ferrule problem. I shot an old style Bear through a car once, no ferrule problem there, of course in was only a double rear fender hit not a barrel. (Just playing with ya, Stingers are fine broadheads.)
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While I killed a bull elk last year with a 125 grain, 2 blade stinger, I have also been disappointed in one particular shot.
While my shot was a little off, striking the shoulder bone of a mature bull, I was still disappointed that the broadhead failed the way it did. The blade broke away from the ferrule... leaving most of it in the bull.
I have a WW that is impaled in a vertebrae of a whitetail deer (a spine shot from years ago) that put the deer down.
I would like to share the pic of the Stinger, but photobucket isn't cooperating with me.
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Been shooting Stingers for about 6 yrs now. My last deer before hanging up the compound was at a broadside deer. Arrow went clean through, splitting a rib on both sides, and plowed into the ground on the other side. broadhead was fine--just needed to be re-sharpened.
Now with Trad. equipment, I've used the same arrow on a coyote (which also plowed the earth) and then a deer from a treestand: the broadhead did stop in the leg bone on the far side, but again, only needed resharpening between the 2 animals........it is now retired since it took down my first trad deer! Love those broadheads! :bigsmyl:
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I'm pretty sure the serrations increase the surface area kinda like a cars radiator or the villi in the sm. intestine. Just thinking.
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I'll let yall know nex Saturday morning.
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Yea you can still get them. Just a diffirent company producing them now.
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According to Spyderco, the serrations on their knives adds 24% cutting surface on a blade. I don't know if it's the same for the Stingers, but it could be true, who knows? I can say this those heads are a top 5 choice for me!
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I talked to my buddy and he works in there shop down the street from me and the reason he said that they did it was the tissue issue and it atcualy creates less dragg when it impacts an animal I have been shooting them sence I started just cause they make in my town they have great customer service and never bock over replacing a head the serations actualy will break the vacum on entery just like a blood groove on a bayonet and in a target when tuning I get much better penetration than the regular stingers