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Full Arrow photo is with my 2009 Ohio "flint" arrow Killed Buck
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Red Osier natural shaft...flint point.... Goose wing feathers
Niiiice arrow! The pics are cool too. You could frame those! How many of those missiles do you carry to the woods?
That's nice but the first thing that came to my mind was that the head is barbed and would not be legal to shoot in NH and a number of other states. In any event, good luck with this season.
.b.glass Three stone arrows! !
Nice. I'm working on my three arrows now. I'm not really pleased with my rhyolite points but believe that they will be okay. I have picked out and heat straightened the Japanese arrow bamboo that grows in the back yard, and the turkey feathers have now been preparted for fletching except for the final trim. Haven't decided yet which bow to use. It will be either an old self bow (dogwood or osage) or one of the David Knight bamboo backed Ipe that I'm not quiet finished with. Good luck Getstonedprimitivebowhunt and others in the quest for primal adventure.
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That head wouldn't be legal in NC either.
QuoteOriginally posted by Pat B:
That head wouldn't be legal in NC either.
Well he is in Ohio and it looks like a wall hanger to me anyways....very nice my man!
Go get'm Jeff.. :thumbsup:
here is mine..BUT! i have a couple tradgangers to thank for getting me on this path..all i did was mount the heads..but can't wait for a good shot.. (http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j411/scottlangston1/P1000437.jpg) (http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j411/scottlangston1/P1000438.jpg)
Stickbow ... heres a trick for great penetration ! melt bees wax on head wrap. then smooth out. A real nice flow !
Very nice arrows ..good luck !!!
Pat B is mecanical heads Legal in NC... There Barbed when open ? Just wondering? Thanks ,,Jeff
Thanks Guys.. I'll update when theres blood on it !
Sticbow are those Blackwell points?
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Pat B is mecanical heads Legal in NC... There Barbed when open ? Just wondering? Thanks ,,Jeff
god point? I wonder how they get by with that? debate for another time nuther place.
Great lookin arrows yall - love to try knapping but I still stink at it!
J
Osage good eye :thumbsup:
Mechanical heads are not illegal because they do not "lock" out into a barbed position. They will close back with little to no force on them.
Hope that made sense.
Great looking arrows, both of you.
Mark
really, who would even follow such a stupid rule? I mean come on, they are knapped stone heads. Who cares if they have a barb on them
Thats government "helping" people. I'd hunt with them anyway. I get the feeling that if you're checked by a game warden they will say "Cool. Going old school. Good luck."
Here are my three for this years hunt if i have this photobucket thing figured out right.These shafts are stained with pokeberries and sealed with bee wax.The wrap glue i made with dried pine sap and beewax.
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I don't know about expandable heads. That head would be considered barbed because the trailing edge is not 90deg to the shaft. I called the head law enforcement guy for NC DNR and asked him what they meant about a barbed head. He thought for a minute and said...it can't look like a fish hook. Then after a few seconds he said...maybe you should ask the officer that is writing the ticket. So not even the law enforcement can tell me what they meant by a barbed head.
I also hunt GA and SC and neither of them mention barbed heads.
I'll post a few of my stone hunting arrows when Photobucket quits cutting up.
Realy cool arrows good luck.
GetStonesprimitivebowhunt,
Cool arrows and heads!
Question?
Do you practice with those heads once you get them mounted to your arrow ? and if you do does it make them dull? How do you " resharpen" them?
Sorry for so many questions just curious.
Copper1
Thanks Guys .Love to hear from you all ..on this "primitive" stuff Jeff
Yes. I shoot them into a 6 foot round bail. I have on farm. I never had them dull that way. But then I don't shoot them alot (the ones I hunt with). But you can reknapp edge if needed though.
I have killed 7 deer now with "stone' and my selfbows.
I want to say someday ..."I shot the biggest Buck in Ohio with Flint point"
One thing I must stress when making Stone" pointed arrows.
MAKE SURE THAT THE TAPER FROM HEAD TO SHAFT IN FLAT. IF ITS BLUNTED OUT WITH WRAP ..it will not penetrate well.
This is a problem with most "FIRST" arrows.
Get them well tappered and smooth and they will work very well.
Also try a little melted Bees Wax on the tapper. A nice flow!
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So are those heads legal? I know in NY they can't be barbed.
They are legal in Ohio.
anyone know where I could get heads like that, know a good knapper.
lot's good ones on flintknappers.com, who to choose.
..I feel Its a unreasonable law ! Makes no sense to this Ignorant Old Bowhunter. My arrows,99% of the time go clean through deer !
Any way..I started this tread to show the art and right way to hunt with a Stone point arrow !
So If Your state alow's ,,,then great. If not get it changed ..!
QuoteOriginally posted by Molson:
They are legal in Ohio.
That's cool :readit:
Wait, are you guys saying that you actually worry about "barbed" rules?
It's an absolutely pointless reg. I'm sure that once upon a time a very smart lawmaker decided that the most pressing issue of the day was to make sure that people couldn't use barbed arrow points because they might get stuck if you try to pull them out of yourself after an accident.
Guess what? THEY ARE RAZORBLADES! A barb is the least of your worries. It's stupid.
I'd like to know if ANYONE has actually ever been ticketed for a "barbed" broadhead.
It sounds a bit like the "Well, if cops catch you with BlackTalon ammunition they will confiscate it" urban legend.
And I'm new to traditional bow hunting. Now you guys have me wanting to use knapped arrowheads and handmade arrows, lol. I can, in no way, knapp an arrowhead like that to consistent sizes and shapes and the things cost like $25 a piece at 3RiversArchery.com
It's something that's going to have to wait a while. It looks like fun.
I have never shot a deer with one yet, but i would like to hear from anyone that has.I have read that they kill real well but, they wont come anywhere near shaveing hair off your arm.I do know that they penetrate just as deep if not more than reguler broadheads in a target and they make a very loud wack when they hit a bag target for sure.
I do bone, ivory,antler and stone carvings and i have several guys that trade me points for some of my carvings.I can knap them myself too if i have stone but we dont have much good stone for that where i live.
How do you know if the arrow will fly right i mean can you practice with them i have one but im scared to take it into the woods because i dont know what to expect
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I can knap them myself too if i have stone but we dont have much good stone for that where i live.
If I still lived in Northwest Arkansas then I would pick you up some chert. Up there, Beaver Lake has beaches that are nothing but chert and it's all along the headwaters of the White River.
Might find a Trad Ganger up around there that can send you some in a USPS Flat-rate box or something.
I just know it sucked when I was kayaking in the river and forgot that the beach was made of razorblades.
Here are a few of my stone tipped arrows. These are 2 fletched, 2 Eastern Woodland style and one on my style...
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...and another set...
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NKW
I shoot mine into a styrofoam target or a cardboard box filled with wadded up paper and plastic grocery bags.
You can also shoot them into a hay bale. Never tried the 3d target with one but I'm sure it wouldn't hurt the head as long as it didn't come off in the target.
I shoot every arrow I plan to hunt with. If they don't shoot well they don't hunt. I use a large ruberized foam block to test shoot all of my hunting arrows.
Stone heads are easy to resharpen with a small pressure flaker if needed.
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I have never shot a deer with one yet, but i would like to hear from anyone that has.I have read that they kill real well but, they wont come anywhere near shaveing hair off your arm.I do know that they penetrate just as deep if not more than reguler broadheads in a target and they make a very loud wack when they hit a bag target for sure.
I do bone, ivory,antler and stone carvings and i have several guys that trade me points for some of my carvings.I can knap them myself too if i have stone but we dont have much good stone for that where i live.
Obsidian can be made to be much sharper than steel.
Here's a blurb I found: "Obsidian also has a use as a surgical scalpel. Because the obsidian is a glass (amorphous - without any internal structure), it can be honed to an extremely sharp edge. Steel scalpels can be very sharp but are limited to the structure of the crystal boundaries. In glass, there is no such boundary and the cutting surface can be much finer."
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Osage good eye :thumbsup:
I saw that a mile away cause I have memories ingrained in my mind like the flakes off his points... I know what his points can do and I love his work. Hope he is doing well!
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TxAg, Obsidian doesn't have to be honed to a sharp edge. A fresh flake of obsidian is hundreds of times sharper than any steel edge. I've seen a comparrison of the two from an electronic microscope and there is absolutely no comparison. When obsidian(and other knapable stone) is flaked the edge is at a molecular level, one molecule wide.
Stone points don't seem sharp to the touch but generally you are only touching the high points(ridges) of the flaking process. The valleys are where the sharp edges are. I have not shot an animal with stone yet but I have seen the wounds stone points make and they are devistating and bleed quite well.
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TxAg, Obsidian doesn't have to be honed to a sharp edge. A fresh flake of obsidian is hundreds of times sharper than any steel edge. I've seen a comparrison of the two from an electronic microscope and there is absolutely no comparison. When obsidian(and other knapable stone) is flaked the edge is at a molecular level, one molecule wide.
Stone points don't seem sharp to the touch but generally you are only touching the high points(ridges) of the flaking process. The valleys are where the sharp edges are. I have not shot an animal with stone yet but I have seen the wounds stone points make and they are devistating and bleed quite well.
Yeah, they are cryptocrystaline structures from dead organisms and waterlife from millions of years ago. They piled up on the bottom of lakes and rivers and all formed together as chert or flint.
Obsidian is volcanic glass though. It's different. It can have a much finer edge than cherts because it doesn't have the same impurities from their deposits.
They all break conchoidally though. That means they don't have a defined structure, like glass, and will break with irregular edges that take on concave sorts of shapes. Essentially it's like a serrated knife edge, but much sharper.
I realize they don't have to be "honed." I was just copy/pasting. It's amazing how sharp a rock (...er, glass) can be. I also read that some surgeons use them because they cut at at the cellular lever....actually cutting, not ripping cells like a steel scalpel. In turn, this reduces swelling and scarring. Thanks for the additional info. Nature is amazing.
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A flake and a bifacially knapped point are two completely different things. The flake, sharp as it may be, would likely never hold up on the front of an arrow.
ChuckC
I have a couple ready to go:
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This obsidian one is not notched yet
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Amazing what you guys can do.
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Hitman those are awesome points! Mine are 3-obsidian and two flint. Maybe when I get back from iraq I can put mine to the test.
Good looking arrows guys. :thumbsup:
Hitman , what are your shafts and nocks made from ?
Hitman , what are your shafts and nocks made from ?
shafts are bamboo and nocks are horn nocks with real turkey feathers.
razorsharptokill, Those are great arrows and when you get back put some blood on them. Our prayers are with you ,so get home safe. My hat is off to you and all your buddies.
This is so great to see so many using ..."STONE" too hunt !!!
You guys are from another planet! Wish I could do that. It's all I'd use. Beauts!
Straitera ... go for it !!!
If the barbs are a concern just take your small percusion flaker and knock them off. It will not change the profile of the head or it's lethality and will make them legal. Take about 2 seconds.
Wondering what is a .."barb" IN LEGAL TERMS???
Here's some of mine, I can't take credit for making the points but I did mount them and made the arrows.
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Have agreat season all.
Birt ..is that Osage in nocks ?? Great arrows too !
Yup, Osage nocks of my own making, been doing that trick for years now.
Thanks for the compliment.
Regards.
Bert. :archer2: