Saw this on another site. Thought it might be interesting to some on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AaCIcxz-5U
good video. I found his video with the rage vs hog shield interesting as well.
Great video, really showing the kill zone well.
Thanks!
Thanks for posting that was a great video of were to shoot a hog.
good video. Only question is the liver. He did not show it but said it's back there somewhere ?
Good info!
QuoteOriginally posted by fireball31:
good video. I found his video with the rage vs hog shield interesting as well.
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Never thought kill zone on any animal was halfway across the torso. Always aim for the crease behind the shoulder exactly where he showed the heart. Plus, I try to get relaxed quartering away everytime.
Especially good info & vid. This would be good to edit & post in the headings for everyone to review. Much thanks.
Yeah...that's another good representation, cause the vitals are not as far back as on a deer for sure...and as you can see, there's not a vertical line where they stop...but more of an angled line.
You can make a perfect 'deer shot' on a hog and you'll never see it again.
Extremely good presentaion!
Just forwarded the presentation to McKenzie's.
Informed them that for several years the subject of the vitals being much farther forward has been covered well and numerous times. Terry has done an excellent job in the past educating many of us. This current demonstration should serve to further seal and validate the need to be set-up to handle the further forward required arrow placement.
Also, relayed that I weekly took the lower scoring shot placement do to taking the appropriate shot on a hog at 3D's. Having an improper targetted area may serve to engrain an incorrect arrow placement on a live animal.
We should all be quite knowledgeable of the vitals of any game we pursue. The animals deserve it most.
Thank you for posting.
good to know thanks for posting
Another thing, you can shoot MUCH further forward on a hog and get into the vitals without hitting bone...long as you are mid point or LOWER on the body. The leg bone angle is much further forward than you might think.
Good info there, but dude...wear gloves always on a pig!
QuoteOriginally posted by Robert Honaker:
Good info there, but dude...wear gloves always on a pig!
It wasn't me in the video.
Here is an exit wound from a Delta 4 blade. You can see how far forward the exit was and no bone was contacted.
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/hogshotplacement.jpg)
Here's something related...I'd like to see the results of a single bevel head and a heavy arrow.
Hog Shield (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ1Mg0a7Tpw&feature=related)
There's a couple of big shielded hogs on the Hog Shot Placement thread that were passed through with Zwickey 4 blades. And yes, it sure helps to have SHARP cut on contact heads AND heavy arrows.
Those boys were sure enlighten huh?
QuoteOriginally posted by MikeW:
Here's something related...I'd like to see the results of a single bevel head and a heavy arrow.
Hog Shield (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ1Mg0a7Tpw&feature=related)
That guys is so funny with his accent!
That sir is what you call a 'coon a$$'.
That ain't a coonass. That's the wrong part of the country. You want coonass? Go to Terrebonne Parish, LA. This fellow is a prime example of a Geechie. Big difference.
QuoteOriginally posted by TxAg:
QuoteOriginally posted by MikeW:
Here's something related...I'd like to see the results of a single bevel head and a heavy arrow.
Hog Shield (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ1Mg0a7Tpw&feature=related)
That guys is so funny with his accent! [/b]
i didn't hear anyone say anything about the BH being busted..... better "beef up" them head if your going to hunt with Troy.
yall don't talk like that in TX? haha Terry nailed it.
Looper....I said that cause he sure sounded like one....just figured he was a transplant. :biglaugh:
Never heard of a Geechie.... tell us more sir!
Terry, can I see an outline of the sheild above the exit wound and angling toward the head?
Bona
looper is spot on. i didn't think other people would know what i was talkin bout if i said he got a little geechi goin on.... i'm sure you hear a lot stronger in the dark corner.
ahhh the english language and all of it's dialects brought together by sticks and strings.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Looper....I said that cause he sure sounded like one....just figured he was a transplant. :biglaugh:
Never heard of a Geechie.... tell us more sir!
here's a start...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullah_language
Ms Bona....here's a few pics that are better that will show you the shield....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboar10a1.JPG)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/paraboar10.jpg)
Here's another Boar where you can see the outline....AND, just how far back it goes....
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield2.jpg)
(http://www.tradgang.com/upload/terry/michshield1.jpg)
Interesting video, but he is off on the liver. They back up the lungs, guts behind them, not vice versa.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
That sir is what you call a 'coon a$$'.
I've spent a lot of time working in LA. At times I really had a hard time understanding some folks, I wondered if they were even talking English.
I finally got to know a few locals and one day I finally got the nerve to ask what a "Coon A$$" was, and I quote..
"A Coon A$$ is someone who will eat anything that doesn't eat them first"
I thought that was pretty funny.
I've traveled all over the US and them Coon A$$'s are some of the nicest, down to earth, give you the shirt off their backs kind of folks you will ever meet.
Ah...Geechie is a creole language....just like coonasses.....no wonder they sound alike.
It looks like you hit dead (little pun there) center of the thickest part of the sheild. How many grains of arrow wt. do you shoot Terry?
Second to a moose hunt I would like to go on a hog hunt. I could do a hog hunt before I could do a moose hunt. Then of course I want antelope, elk and merriams turkey hunts. Heck I want to hunt them all!
580 to 630 grains Gal....the only difference in the two arrows would either be a steel adapter in the bhead...or aquarium tubing inside the shaft. Mostly shoot 580 though as my all around weight. And those are shot from 60-70# bows.
It looks like the only way to the vitals is through the sheild. Is that right? Do the sows have a sheild too?
In your opinion would a 50# bow and 550 gr. arrows with an extremely sharp 2 blade do the trick?
Well, technically, the Geechie, or Geechee, is what the Gullah people call themselves. They are the direct descendants of African slaves, and live along the coast of southern South Carolina and Georgia. They speak a combination of some african dialect, french, and english. It's confusing to listen to, but you can make out about every other word and get the gist of what they are saying. They have managed, for the most part, to keep their heritage alive and are a very colorful, no pun intended, people.
That guy in the video would also be considered a Geechie, but it's different than the Gullah. His people are among the first white people to settle in the lowcountry of South Carolina. They are Europeans, but I don't know where from, exactly. Could be Scotland. Many of those settlements date back to the late 1600s, early 1700s. It was tough country back then. Lots of hostilities with the natives.
I do know that their dialect was influenced by the Gullah and the French-Huguenots. At any rate, they speak very distinctly. The fellow in the video is a classic example, but some of them speak with a much heavier accent. A lot of those little towns have not been influenced very much by outsiders, so the way they speak hasn't been diluted over the years.
The area I'm talking about is the lower quarter of South Carolina and into Georgia. Charleston has it's own distinct dialect, as does Savannah. The Charleston dialect sounds very different from the surrounding rural areas, because of the influence of Sephardic Jews, from Spain.
Unfortunately, the dialects and customs get diluted over the years. People move in from elsewhere, and, while they might pick up a hint of an accent, they essentially corrupt the original. To find the genuine dialects, you have to go to the small settlements, where there is no reason for an outsider to move to.
I live in the opposite corner of the state. We have our own distinct dialect and unique history. Where I live was once the domain of outlaws and bootleggers. The city folk used to scare their children with tales of the "Dark Corner of the world". Sadly, our history and dialect is fastly fading. Our land has been bought up by developers who have turned it into a vacation home paradise for wealthy northerners. You wouldn't believe the beautiful country that has been closed off to the local people here. That's a whole other infuriating tale, though.
My own accent has changed due to the fact that I lived most of my adult life in Alaska and Washington. I did live in Louisiana for a couple of years, but I held strong and didn't let that influence me too much.
That set up would kill 'meat hogs' all day long....and would kill a big shielded boar but everything would have to be a little more 'right' if you know what I mean.....proper shot at the proper distance, tuned arrow, and sharp head, no mud caked on impact spot.....
The Tusker Concords with the tip left pointy would do the trick. That's the head I'm going to let my gals use when they decide to hunt them.
Click Below and check out the video clip in my 1st post....
Shield and Shot Placement Info (http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=108224)
QuoteOriginally posted by b.glass:
It looks like the only way to the vitals is through the sheild. Is that right? Do the sows have a sheild too?
In your opinion would a 50# bow and 550 gr. arrows with an extremely sharp 2 blade do the trick?
You want to shoot them right in the arm pit, I've killed a few hogs with a 54# bow one with an STOS head and got a pass through the rest with a WW but I didn't get a pass through with those but the arrow was sticking out the other side. I found a .243 bullet in hog's shield one time, it made it about 2" in and mushroomed perfectly. My opinion is you do not want to hit the shield unless you are using a 2 blade head, heavy arrows and the yardage is short.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MikeW:
Here's something related...I'd like to see the results of a single bevel head and a heavy arrow.
Hog Shield (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ1Mg0a7Tpw&feature=related)
I had to watch the video again. I just love the accent, ha.
I agree that they should be using a heavier arrow, but that shot placement and that broadhead didn't do him any favors. Looks like he might of clipped vertabrae and that head looks like a cheapy Allen head....don't think they're too sharp.
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What's on your mind, Mike?
QuoteOriginally posted by looper:
What's on your mind, Mike?
I don't know what happened, I made a post and had a typo in it, went to edit it and for some reason it posted like 3-4 times and all messed up and I don't see a delete button to just delete the messed up ones. Sorry
very interesting video thank you i put the link to the french bowhunter trad website, we don't have hog but it should be the same on our Sanglier ( russian boar i guess in english ? )
Only the boars have shields, protects them from rivals tusks when they are battling it out for a hot sow.
I've shot a few sows with shields. Not anything like that one Terry showed, but they definitely had a layer of cartilage over their shoulders and ribs. In fact, the last sow I shot was about 170 pounds and she had a shield a little over 1/2" thick. I think they must get that from constantly rubbing on trees. She was an old girl, too.
QuoteOriginally posted by kibok&ko:
very interesting video thank you i put the link to the french bowhunter trad website, we don't have hog but it should be the same on our Sanglier ( russian boar i guess in english ? )
How big do those hogs get?
for those i know well from here , living in the alps where you don't have any more fields ... only sheep and wolf triyng to eat the sheep ... we have also many snow and the hunting regulation don't allow us to feed them , there are not many
The biggest i saw is the one on pics below, a trophee of a lifetime for us even for the drive hunt gun huenters with dogs, very close to 100 kilos and he was wounded by a bowhunter friend and try to kill our blood dog, we have no gun and i was lucky anough to be on the rock and to had the possibility to shoot two El GRANDE to finih it
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd133/kiboko_bucket/DSCN2997-1-1.jpg)
in other place where you have corn fields or even rice fields like in the mediterranean french border they can weight over 160 kilos
In Bulgaria by where they feed them all year long for "foreign" hunting purpose they can be over 200 kilos
Very nice trophy! I bet that was an exciting hunt.
Yeah...sorry about that....forgot to answer the question about sows having shields.
The sow I killed at Rays that weighed 300 did have a shield I think Ray has pics of that too....again, I was too busy skinnin.