Got my blems in today and outta a dozen I got 5 straight shafts and 3 of those have a slight wobble. Now ya can`t complain about the price and I recieved `em 3 days after I ordered `em so I can`t complain about Big Jim`s customer service either. I`m just wondering if when you order Goldtips at the full price are they all straight or is this just the norm with Goldtip ? I understand they are what they are and i`m no way blaiming Big Jim for anything. In fact at his price i`m keeping these for target and stump shooting. He`s passing on these blems at a very fair price and i`ll be ordering from him in the future. I`m just wondering if everyone else is happy or not happy with shooting the blems ?
Burch :dunno:
No problems with blems from my use. Never a crooked one.
I've gotten 3 dozen blems and not had a single solitary issue. All straight, all tough. Pretty much the exact same thing as regular GTs, but 2/3 cost. Just a bit off cosmetically. I guess they could be considered "blemished" for any number of reasons, to include unsoundness. Dunno. I like mine though.
Blems are supposed to have cosmetic blemishes only. They are still supposed to be within tolerance for straightness and spine stiffness. So I would say that you have the same possibilty of getting crooked ones as you do the unblemished ones.
I have bought hundreds of carbons over the years from a bunch of different companys. Goldtip blems have been better shafts than some very expensive ones I have bought. Of all those arrows I have never had one that wasen't straight.
I have NEVER had an issue with blems from Big Jim. Never had any sort of wobble what so ever.
The shafts have a tolerance of + or - .006 . If they are more than that, I would contact Big Jim. I'm sure he will make them right. Don
I spun these on my spinner and only a couple didn`t have any wobble at all.
Could be a bad batch. I have some and they are all straight. I don't mind the cosmetic as long as they shoot great. I'm planning on getting my next set soon and ordering some for my Dad also. Mike
I suggest you shoot them all. See if you can tell the difference in how they shoot. I'd bet that unless you are as good a shot Rod Jenkins or some of the other World Champions, you won't know the difference.
never a problem - always good
I just got some more in....3 doz and gonna get some more! Ive put together 3 doz this year not including the ones Im into now....and not one problem! 2 doz of the order I got just today are Uncle Teds zebra deals....and they are rockin' cool! Gotta love the blems! Not sure why ya got wobblers.
Well with all this good pointing toward no problems, maybe it`s my dang spinner LOL !!!!!
Burch
I just got mine today, I cant even tell why they would be blems. very happy with them!!
Burch,
I was just about to ask you if you have ever checked your spinner? You could have a very small flat spot or some wax or something on it ..Even a small section of rust on a wheel could make an arrow look like a bent stick....Sight down that shaft and rotate it and see if you see any belly's or crowns also...Roll them on a very flat counter top also...I would try all those things before calling Big Jim...Keefer's <><
I've got two dozen made up and ready to go for my elk hunt. They shoot as good as any shaft I've ever put on my bows.
Mike
Your arrows are straight as can be I bet.
I would re check em'.
Burch, did you check them full length or after you cut them. If you glued the insert you might have a little more glue on one side or the insert might be a little off. Did you spin them with a field point or broad head.
Is there a way you can heat the insert and twist it and see if that helps. I always try 1 or 2 new field points. I spin them on my finger to feel if there any wobbles. If this not the cause then I do not know.
Burch, I'm gonna be the odd man out here.I've gotten several doz. Gts and some are absolutely horrible for straightness.The last doz I got were 1sts,not blems.The spine varied by 8# and a couple wobbled by at least 1/8".
Can't really say the straightness made much difference in accuracy, but I could tell the diff in spine when bareshafting. Gotta say though,the crooked shafts don't instill a lot of confidence in your equipment.
Have you weighted the shafts can be as much as 10 grains off for 3 out of a dozen price wise you still come out..
Alot of times you can cut a bit off each end and take care of the run out.
SL
I'm sure you can get some quirky shafts.
I have had a couple dozen but never spined tested them, as I've heard occassionally they can be way off.
I've bought 4 dozen blems from Big Jim in the last couple of years, I've never had a problem with the ones I received.
Never had a problem out of any of the blems I`ve purchased either.All spin true
The "Blem" in suppose to be visual ONLY, they should still be within the .006 . Id check your spinner and/or how the inserts are installed. If you cant find the problem Id contact Goldtip or whoever you bought them from and see what they say.
I have purchased 4 dozen in the past from Big Jim and all were excellent.
I am with GATOR1, I have top quality bows,strings,etc, arrows are the business and of the whole set up, and are not expensive. I will not skimp on them, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.
I use goldtips and only goltips for trad and compound , along with my three boys that equals a few shafts per year, I have never shot blems, but many years ago the shop I buy from here in Oz told me that you always cut Gold Tips from the nock end, his theory was that is the way they apparently come off the mandrel and that is where the most variance occurs in straightness.
Anyway cutting from the back is what I have done for quite a few years now and will do for along time to come.
Cheers
QuoteOriginally posted by Keefer:
Burch,
I was just about to ask you if you have ever checked your spinner? You could have a very small flat spot or some wax or something on it ..Even a small section of rust on a wheel could make an arrow look like a bent stick....Sight down that shaft and rotate it and see if you see any belly's or crowns also...Roll them on a very flat counter top also...I would try all those things before calling Big Jim...Keefer's <><
The only thing that confuses me is a couple spin pretty straight.
QuoteOriginally posted by The Whittler:
Burch, did you check them full length or after you cut them. If you glued the insert you might have a little more glue on one side or the insert might be a little off. Did you spin them with a field point or broad head.
Is there a way you can heat the insert and twist it and see if that helps. I always try 1 or 2 new field points. I spin them on my finger to feel if there any wobbles. If this not the cause then I do not know.
I haven`t done anything to these but unwrap `em from the package and put `em on the spinner
QuoteOriginally posted by SL:
Alot of times you can cut a bit off each end and take care of the run out.
SL
Accually, that`s exactly what I was thinking of doing. Cut about 1/4" from each end before tuning them.
I honestly think these blems are a good product at a good price. I might have gotten the exceptional bad batch and I might not have. As far as I can tell I really can`t see cosmetic flaws in these either. I know some carbon shafts can be defective from the process of making them at the factory. I`ll cut a bit from both ends and shoot `em.
You're not losing your mind... I setup a dozen 35/55's recently and most of them had some runout from one or both ends. Find a couple with runout on one end, glue your point in the straight side and start bare shafting. I don't think you'll have any problems, mine shoot just fine!
Pardon my ignorance (it's temporary) but what is "run out"?
I just got mine today and just now spun them. One had a little "hanging chad" on one side of the point end -- inside it -- and it wobbled, but I cut that off with a box cutter and it spun fine.
They're not perfect, but they're well within my tolerances.
I do note that the straightness tolerances are right there on the label, but there aren't any promises about weight. I'm at work and don't have my scale with me.
When I think about imperfections in my carbon arrows, I always think, "Well, when I'm shooting wood I'd better get used to it."
I'm very happy with them. I notice there is another thread just like this on another trad forum. Hmmm.
I bought several dozen blems last winter. The weight per arrow varied between 22 to 32 grams within each dozen. This is more than a cosmetic issue. Great rabbit arrows however.
best thing I ever done for my shooting, is buying a scale,took a lot of problems out of my shooting,CEO is right check weight on your blems,You will be surprised....
just fletched up and tuned some gt blems and they are shooting great out of my bow.
I just bought another dozen :thumbsup:
Never had any issues. The first dozen I bought had no cosmetic issues, the second set was obviously blems, they all shot just fine for me.
Never had any issues with the blems. I also use a ASD to make sure ends are true and with the 50 or 100 grain brass inserts never had one not spin true.
Still straighter than you would likely get a wooden arrow.
I have never had a problem out of any of the blems that I have recieved.
Might want to check you spinner?
Just got a doz. today. Not one single problem.
OK. I just weighed my latest dozen 5575 GT blems from Big Jim on an accurate manual Pacific powder scale. They are full length with nocks only. Here's the data and the verdict:
309
311
309
310
312
312
310
310
310
311
311
312
Two of them (309) are outside the advertised weight tolerance of ±2 gr. at 9.3 gr./in.
But once I get them cut down, wrapped, four-fletched, inserted, epoxied and fronted with a 175 terminator... really... 1 gr isn't a big deal.
All spun with a barely discernible wobble.
I'm happy.