I spoke with Jeff at VPA and he could make a single bevel 2-blade in much the same style as their Penetrator head. If there is enough interest I will order 100 packs on a Pre-Sale basis and make them available. I will only be able to order one weight and one bevel. If you are interested please let me know the weight you would prefer.
I'd be interested in a 200 gr glue-on single bevel true 3:1 MA blade that would work with left wing fletch.
Stan: I think there would be alot of interest, I know I am and i beleive there were several questions about single bevel heads in the Peneterator introduction thread. But your never gonna satisfy everyone with just one head, and the weight would depend on if it was a glue on or screw in head. Personally give me a 250 gr. screw in head right bevel. RW
200 grain glue on or screw in either works for me. I'd buy 1/2 dozen
What kind of price are we talking about. As well are we talking three pack or six pack.
200gr glue on allows for a wide range of set ups. 200 if put on wood, 225 to 245 if used with aluminium adpt. and 300 to 325 if used with steel adpt.
As for bevel? Either will get you started. Might even try offering it without either bevel. Grinding the bevel you want isn't that hard.
Troy
I would go for a 150-160 gr glue-on right bevel 3:1 two blade head. That way if someone wanted to use an adaptor they could pump up the weight for carbons or aluminums. Just seems like you'd cover more needs. Whether those who shoot wood shafts or those who need a screw-in head.
Tell you what I would like...
The exact specs of a 150 Grizzly El Grande a quarter of an inch wider.
Looks like the glue on is the early favorite. I'll have to run that by Jeff and see what he thinks. If not, I'll probably have to go with a 200 - 250 grain screw in.
I your going to do it.... I want 300 grain screw in left bevel, more 3:1 and a higher angle on the tip...
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Tell you what I would like...
The exact specs of a 150 Grizzly El Grande a quarter of an inch wider.
Me too.
QuoteOriginally posted by Troy Breeding:
What kind of price are we talking about. As well are we talking three pack or six pack.
200gr glue on allows for a wide range of set ups. 200 if put on wood, 225 to 245 if used with aluminium adpt. and 300 to 325 if used with steel adpt.
Troy
concur, bu
oops bud!
RW bevel
True 3:1 ratio
200 gr screw-in
or
175 gr glue-on
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
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QuoteOriginally posted by Bowbldr:
I your going to do it.... I want 300 grain screw in left bevel, more 3:1 and a higher angle on the tip...
Amen, Bob! :thumbsup: That is exactly what I was thinking.
Allan
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QuoteOriginally posted by amar911:
QuoteOriginally posted by Bowbldr:
I your going to do it.... I want 300 grain screw in left bevel, more 3:1 and a higher angle on the tip...
Amen, Bob! :thumbsup: That is exactly what I was thinking.
Allan [/b]
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QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Tell you what I would like...
The exact specs of a 150 Grizzly El Grande a quarter of an inch wider.
X 2!!! This gives you a load of options if it is a glue on.
Isn't that what the Tuffheads are, single bevel, one piece, two blades?
200 grain glue on, or 300 grain screw in, either bevel. If they come sharp and the price is decent I just might order fifty or a hundred and never buy broadheads again. I would prefer them to be made to the Grizzly El Grande specs.
X3 for what Terry said. I'm a LW bevel guy though.
QuoteOriginally posted by yukon chuck:
Isn't that what the Tuffheads are, single bevel, one piece, two blades?
And the Ashby's and the Abowyers and the Alaskans......
i agree with terry. i would like a 150 grain screw in. so i dont have to buy screw in adapters for glue on broadheads. rv
I would love a 300 gr right bevel screw in. Sharp and ready to go out of the package would be a plus also.
Thanks for all of the feedback so far. I'm in communication with Jeff to help answer some questions and give more specifics on what we'll be able to offer. Really appreciate the help.
Now, I've got to get ready for a date with a herd of elk this Saturday morning :)
What Terry said;
150 grain glue on same as Grizzly El Grandy but 1/4" wider. With a steel screw in addaptor of 100 or 125 grain it would weight 250 or 275 and your carbon arrow would weight approx @29" about 550 to 600 grains according to which carbon you are using! With most wood arrows it would be about 525 to 540 grains.
The trouble with screw on, it leaves your broadhead mounted different on each arrow? Ken
Screw in one piece 200 grain right wing.
200 screw in left wing
Seems like the perfect time for the El Grande replacement.
Personally I would like a double bevel Abowyer Bonehead without the back of the blades sharpened. Or a thicker, heavier, Magnus I.....I like a wide cut with a sraight edge......glue on of course.
Hello, good idea, perhaps make it wiiiider, a least like an EL GRANDE, and that will be very interesting for the money vs what you can get on the market today where can get good SB but to "skiny" on the wide side ...
keep us posted !
TTT
Any updates?
What Shinken said x2 :goldtooth:
as said above lw bevel and longer than vpa's current two blade,more close to 3:1, glue on
Still gathering information and working on this. If we get a chance to have VPA machine a head for us, we'll only be able to afford one model initially. At this point it's looking like we'll make it a glue on if we can, as long as possible and whatever weight over 150 grains it comes out at. Thanks again for all of the replies.
Lots of them available already.............Abowyer Brown Bear is the model to follow. IMO anyway.
As Snag said,
"I would go for a 150-160 gr glue-on right bevel 3:1 two blade head. That way if someone wanted to use an adaptor they could pump up the weight for carbons or aluminums. Just seems like you'd cover more needs. Whether those who shoot wood shafts or those who need a screw-in head."
Any updates on this? I have to agree a glue on in the 150-200 grain range would be they way to go.
I'd really like see it at least a 1 1/4" wide blade and close to 3" long.
QuoteLots of them available already.............Abowyer Brown Bear is the model to follow
I've been sitting on the fence on those for a long time now only because I've seen a few posts about failures. The ferrule doesn't go all the way to the tip like on the VPA's and they are not one solid piece like the VPA's . The VPA seems to be a much better designed head. If they don't come out with a glue on soon I'll be buying some Abowery's though.
Hey Mike, a glue on is what I'm looking to do and in the grain weight you listed. At this point, it'll be a matter of how quickly Jeff at VPA will be able to work on it. He is a really busy guy who works very hard for VPA, and he has a family, and he likes to hunt :)
I don't anticipate having them this season, unfortunately, but I will make them available as soon as we can. Thanks for your interest.
In the meantime, we do have a screw-in head available in 150 grain. They are a two-piece head that has a ferrule that has interchangable blades from 100 and 125 grain heads as well.
Here's a pic of one of my staff shooters that just took the first trad deer with one in 125 grain weight.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v215/missstanna/Razor%20Hawk/TysonBuck.png)
I really like the design of the Penetrators.I could really use a 200 gr glue on,right bevel though I think if you were going to make them,right and left would be a good idea.The approximate width and length of the Grizzly El Grande is what I prefer.225 gr is a very useful weight for me but I can get by with that 200 grainer if the ferrule runs deep.I would be very happy with the tip design exactly as it is on the Penetrator.Great looking heads.
QuoteHey Mike, a glue on is what I'm looking to do and in the grain weight you listed.
Do you know the dimensions you are looking at for this head?
TIA
The dimensions will be dictated a little bit by the weight we settle on and what stock we begin with. Probably be 1 1/8 inches wide. We'll explore wider, but that comes at a considerable higher cost. Length will be as long as we can get with 200 grains on a glue on.
Lookin' forward to your offerin' Stan!
Have a great 2011 hunting season!
Shoot straight, Shinken
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A flying axe comes to mind at an affordable price.
I'm interested! :wavey:
Stan
I too am interested in either a 200 glue on or a 250 screw in. Being a RH shooter, I would prefer a LW bevel and as close to 1 1/4" x 3" as you can get them.. :thumbsup: :clapper:
Gene :coffee:
I agree with Terry. A 150 gr grizzly El Grande with a wider cut would be great. Glue on, so with the various adapters. You can vary what weight you need. Very cool.
1 1/8" works very well for me.With the blade of the 300 gr screw in at 2.44",I would have to think that the length of the 300 glue on would be pushing that 3" mark.I'm still very interested.
250-300 grains. Left or right bevel
TTT...just checking in.
???
200gr glue on R wing
160+/- glue on..closer to 3" in length, at least 1 1/4 wide...more about 1 1/2 wide..either bevel.
150-170 grain LW would be my preference. Then I could glue it on an internally footed wood shaft or use a steel insert on carbons. If you decide to go RW, I'd still take some. 3:1 is still the ratio that makes the most sense to me.
Any progress with this?
QuoteOriginally posted by MikeW:
Any progress with this?
I'm afraid this will be on hold for a while. There are many factors to consider when bringing a head to market, some of which I don't have control over. Some are just related to feasibility.
The upside is, there are some really great two blade heads out there. Recently had a chance to handle some Tuffheads, and they look fantastic to me!
And of course the work Jeff does at VPA is top notch. If I were in the market for a double bevel two blade that'd be it.
In the meantime, we'll keep after it with the screw-in two blades we currently offer and continue to work on a one-piece single bevel, though it may be a while before we have it.
200 grain rt bevel glue on.
150 to 200gr glue on, at least a true 1 1/4" wide.
Have no interest in anything 1 1/8" wide, or less.
Another agreement with Terry. 150 grain 1/4" wider than an El Grande.
300gr screw in
They are coming from VPA.! We will be introducing them in a week or so. Again 1 1/8" Cut. Starting with 325gr model. Lighter models will be added. I doubt there will be a model lighter than about 160-175 though. We'll see. Detail will come during the release but I don't believe there is a head anything like it currently on the market due to a couple unique features.
Rayzor150,is the 325 gr a screw-on head?
Make the small game head in a weight to match and you will have two winners.
Making a broadhead that meets everybody's wants is gonna prove to be next to impossible. At 1 1/8" and 325 gr I figure they are screw ins. That puts me out.
one piece screw-in at 200 grn.
either a 200 or 250 grain would work for me.