Hey fellows I need some advice on the style of broadhead to shoot for my poundage. My bow is a Sammick Sage 45 pounds at 28 inches. I draw 26 inches so Im guessing I will actually be shooting about 40 pounds.The question I have is should I go with a two blade or something like a Wensel woodsman? I will be shooting Easton axis arrows and I would like to keep my point weight around 200 grains. Any and all advice would be greatley appreciated.
You will do fine with either a good 2-blade or a Woodsman, provided they are SHARP and put in the right place. A 45# bow will shoot through deer all day under those circumstances. 40# will also do the job.
i have a 40# bow and i shoot 2 blade 160gr. for larger animals. you have to compinsate speed (since trad bows are slower than compounds or crossbows) for weight. on belly scraping animals (animals that move close to the ground) like squirells,groundhogs,rabbits,etc. i use a 3 blade 125gr. way i see it no matter what you use it all still boils down to shot placement.
question- is the samick sage a good bow. i was thinking about getting one.
QuoteOriginally posted by cody94:
question- is the samick sage a good bow. i was thinking about getting one.
Cody, I have a sage T/D and I believe its a great bow for the price, shoots well and straight once you get it tuned up. For $129 its a great bow. :thumbsup:
Could possibly consider a Victory VForceHV 400 set-up. (6.2 gpi and accepts std gold tip weighted inserts)
Length - 27.5
100 gn insert
200 gn pt
tot arrow wt -487
12.3 gpp
29.2% FOC
or
Length - 28.5
50 gn insert
200 gn pt
tot arrow wt -444
11.2 gpp
26.4% FOC
There are many good 2 blade broaheads available. A possibly more optimized arrow design should lessen the pressure of selecting that one broadhead.
Best of luck!!!!
tusker delta, aztec or concorde come in that range for screw in at braveheart archery.
I would also suggest 2 blades. There are several that will fit the bill. Zradix posted a couple good ones. Not sure if you are shooting glue on or screw in. but its easy to get a head in that range. 2 blade = better penetrations IMO
Cody I am really pleased with the Samick the grip is very comfortable it holds well and is very smooth to draw so for for me its a very good bow. Now keep in mind Im new to this but it soots my needs very well.Thanks for the responses fellows Im leaning toward a two blade as well.Would a single bevel design be ok? I didnt know if my light poundage would be a handicap or not.
You could use a Muzzy Phanton 225gr. They come out of the pack as a 4 blade at 225gr. but if you remove the bleeder blade it makes a 200gr. 2 blade. They are stainless & come pretty sharp!
I would recommend the Bear razorhead with a 75 grain brass insert for a 2-blade. But my first choice would be a 200 grain Woodsman Elite head.
Zwickey No Mercy two blade is what I would use with 40 pounds and I would feel very good with it.RC
I know that they are heck to sharpen, but I strongly recommend the Grizzly BH. I have used both the 145 grain and the 190 grain on various set-ups depending on final tuning. That said, the 190 ElGrande is my favorite overall broadhead for lighter poundage set-ups. With the long insert it weighs about 220 grains and when sharp, is a lethal head.
If you hate to sharpen BHs, then my second choice is the Muzzy Phantom. It is another great BH, will give you high FOC and is sharp from the pkg.
Claudia
RC kills lots of stuff and I like his choice, a snuffer or a woodsman will do well, but the 2 blade will penetrate a tad better. Friend where do come up with these recommendations? If that is a .400 spine even with the heavy point weights mentioned, they will be over spined. Shawn
Well, i'm going to hunt with my Eagle Wing Talon 11 (40#@28") this year and i'm probably goina shoot GT1535's 28 3/4 with either a 125gr or 150gr Snuffers.
Maybe even both of them because as fast as it shoots, its probably going to blow right through a whitetail, bear, or whatever i decide to shoot at.
Two or 3 blade should do fine through your bow as long as they are Sharp. God Bless and happy hunting.
Pretty hard to beat a No Mercy, a STOS might do it, but I wouldn't put money on one beating the others. Pretty sure I'd put money on those two beating all the rest mentioned.
Bowmania
I agree with Pinecone. I shoot both the Grizzlys 145 with an adapter at 210gr or a Muzzy Phantom at 200gr ( I remove the 20gr insert blade ). They really perform well on anything that I have shot with them. Keep them sharp.
You might take a look at the Tuffhead, 3:1.
Thanks gang for all the help Ive decided to go with a 2 blade thanks to all.
Take a look at the VPA 300 gr. Terminator(3 blade). I know it will at 43#@26" put a hole in both sides of a deer.
Hi Shawn,
Per your inquiry concerning the basis of my offered considerations, I hope the following response alleviates your concerns. Normally, I use Stu's Calc for focusing on Dynamic spines that have worked with many of my set-ups that are Hi range EFOC or Ultra-EFOC. The differences in the dynamic spine and the bows-arrow required spine may be in the 25# range. His system seems quite accurate for normal and lower range EFOC.
Just a recent example:
I have 350 shaft w/350 gns up front that bare shafts nicely at 25 yards.(51@ 28 – 30% Ulta-EFOC). Stu's calc yielded that a 225 gn(24%-EFOC) up front on the same 350 shaft should put me close. This set-up too, also bare shafts nicely at 25 yards w/o any modifications.
Per Stu's Calc which actually has the Samick Sage listed:
***The 1st possible consideration using Stu's Calc yield an Arrow spine 60.1 vs 61.3 Bow-Arrow Dynamic spine required spine***
Length - 27.5
100 gn insert
200 gn pt
tot arrow wt -487
12.3 gpp
29.2% FOC
and
***The 2nd possible consideration using Stu's Calc yield an Arrow spine 61.4 vs 61.3 Bow-Arrow Dynamic spine required spine***
Length - 28.5
50 gn insert
200 gn pt
tot arrow wt -444
11.2 gpp
26.4% FOC
My area of uncertainty, besides the reality performance, is that I have never dealt with such a short arrow that seems to naturally permit such hi FOC by utilizing arrows with low gpp to spine ratios.
Best regards,
Friend
Sorry but Stus calculator has been useless in all my testing and for many people when it comes to high FOC. When I plug the data in from my arrow set up he has me at 30#s underspined and I get a perfect tear at 12-15ft. and my bareshafts are perfect as well. If I followed his chart for any bow I own I would be 25-35#s overspined. Been doing this a lot of years with carbons and I can assure you most guys I have seen shoot in person are overspined with carbons. If a person gives me all the info on there bow and drawlength, poundage etc. I can get most on the money and I do not need a calculator, I use actual real world experience. Nothing against Stus calculator if yoy like it and you feel it works, that is wonderful. Just not for me. I also can tell you a 350 out of a 75# Silvertip at 28.5", cut to 29.5"s needed 350 up front to get perfect flight. Sorry but I would bet dollars to donuts that the 350 you are shooting is stiff. Sorry don't want to hyjack thread but I shot a Sage very recently and it was 53#s at my draw and a .487 spine cut to 29.5"s with 225 up front flew perfect, plug that in and Stu will say I am 25-27#s underspined. Shawn
I will say Stu's calculator shows me 20#s under spined, but that's not the case at all. So many things to take into consideration.
2-blade razor sharp!
Using tapered cedar shafts and either Zwicky two blade Eskimos or 125 grain Grizzlies, my wife, with 38 at 26 inches has only had once that the arrow did not either pass through or dangle by the feathers and fall out the opposite side. The one time she did not get two holes was on a deer that jumped the string and got hit in the back right rump, the arrow stopped in the far left shoulder blade and stuck nearly an inch into the shoulder blade, that was with a right wing Grizzly file sharpened on a left wing cedar shaft. i don't even want to get into what happened with her 39@26.5" draw with her new Lost Creek NAT, the magical vanishing arrow trick, that was an Eskimo that was shaving sharp.
:bigsmyl: :thumbsup:
This works for me!
I will make it a point to check out those zwicky and grizzly broadheads. It seems a lot of yall have had great success with the.