Hey all,
Thinking about getting a predator camo jacket for DEER hunting.
I'm torn between the green deception and the brown deception.
I'm not looking at the spring green as I believe it's too light of shades for when/where I hunt.
I'm in michigan and hunt hardwoods and pines.
Normally I'm hiding out in a pile of sticks. Often I can lay a few pine branches on the blind.
Inside I'm generally sitting at the base of a tree.
I understand how predator camo works and I'm sold on the concept.
Even though deer can't see color ( well maybe blue and yellow to a point ) I feel it is important to try to have the right shades to blend in when you "black and white" a photo.
The green is darker when you B&W it than the brown. and it seems the shades are better.
However the brown has much more break-up of your form because of the white in the pattern.
I'm a bit worried the white might flag me if I move a bit at the wrong time... or just plain attract attention. I've always been leery of wearing white when hunting whitetails. Let's face it their warning sign is a white tail...
What do you all think is the smartest way to go?
Hopefully someone here has some experience with both.
Thank you so much!
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I think the brown would work well considering your background.
Use whatever best matches your suroundings/blind.
Pete
Here is a pic of one of my blinds...
This is with my current really noisy jacket..
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/predator/greenhat600color.jpg)
same in B&W..
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/predator/greenhat600desat.jpg)
here's with green pred..
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/predator/greenpredcolor.jpg)
and the brown..
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/predator/brownpredcolor.jpg)
now the green in B&W..
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/predator/greenpreddesat.jpg)
and the brown in B&W..
(http://i748.photobucket.com/albums/xx121/Zradix/predator/brownpreddesat.jpg)
You can see the brown breaks up the outline so much better, but boy that white is bright looking.... :help:
What do you say?
If they just made the stuff colored like my hat I'd be all set..lol
Thanks
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I say the Brown.
After looking at the black and white photos, add a little distance of 10-20 yards and I vote for green deception.
I was told that if you get the brown you can darken the white parts with coffee and then vinegar to lock the colour in.
Thanks for your time
After black and white photos.I say GREEN!!!!!!!
First off nice job inserting the shirts and changing to BB&W that would have taken me a LONG time.
The white serves a purpose look at the background in the photo where the sun makes it through the trees looks like spots of white which the brown to me is more realistic. Just my observation and .02 cents.
Ive only used Predator Brown, Predator Fall Grey and ASAT. So no actual field experience with the 2 you are asking about.
Nice job on the photos. I don't want to stir the pot, but I really like the Predator Deception. I have pants in that color and am amazed looking down at my legs. Had to pinch myself to make sure they were still there.
Nice work with the pics, I don't think you could go wrong with eather the green or brown!
I use the brown a lot, and love it. There is a lot of white where I hunt though, but I don't worry about it. You can't go wrong with either one.
I'm a big fan of the Fall Grey and Brown. I don't spend a lot of time hunting ground blinds, but I can tell you that it works great in a treestand! As long as you don't blow it by moving, they have a tendency to look right through you. Like Andrew stated, the white blotches are there for a reason.
I've never used the Deception pattern, but my guess is that the brown would be the better pattern.....but then again, I'm biased.
For a tree stand the brown would be on my back for sure.
I don't spend time in trees anymore....
hence the problem...grrrr
Personally, I think the brown is more versatile. But, your photos seem to show the green to be a bit better in that particular situation. It would be interesting to see what your b/w photos would look like after the leaves have dropped. Tough call but in the end, I think either would work well. Availability and/or price might sway you one way or the other.
It really doesn't matter what you wear, just sit still. I shot deer wearing red and black plaid jus sitting next to a tree.
I agree with the leaves off pic...have to wait a while for that one..lol Most likely going to make a not as informed as I should be decision by then.
So happens price and availability are the same in this situation...too bad coulda made the decision easier..lol
Thanks for the input everyone!
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(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/Stjoeriverbows/adphoto-2-1.jpg)
Here is a picture of the Brown Deception Pattern in Black and White. It is by far our favorite pattern
HEY HEY HEY!!!
Oh boy looking good!
Thanks
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I like the look of the green in the B&W photo breaks you up more.
Take on good look at all the photos again. The element that blends in most in both color and black and white photos is the color and pattern in the hat your wearing.
I know...lol
Like I was saying if they just made that I'd be all set..lol
Personally I've always loved woodland camo.
But it's hard to find good stuff in that camo anymore.
Partially what Night Wing said...... "add 20yds then look at it. " But I respectfully disagree and would use the brown instead of the green due to more white in it like huntin_sparty said. The white keeps you from becoming the dark blob and truly breaks your outline.
That is the whole reason we switched to Predator about 4 years ago. Have not been visually picked off yet while wearing Fall Gray in a tree ! Even had the same flock of turkeys walk by at 7 yds with me AND my son in the same lone white oak in a clearcut in December two days in a row ! Like the Predator motto goes.... " Trophy Racks not Store Racks. " I think the biggest mistake we made was looking at camo up close rather than hunting distances. Most become black blobs at distance, colors are all the same and all dark. Attractive to the human eye and pocketbook in the store. Hard to change the thinking on all the white in some Predator patterns but it works as advertised. JMHO
Nocams...
I here you loud and clear.
My buddy shakes his head at the stuff...he just doesn't get it.
You hit on my problem too.
The white "light tan" is what REALLY does the break up.
Prob is the only white stuff I see in the woods are deer tails and snow.
I'm sure both would work.
You can shoot a deer wearing a white t-shirt.
I just want all the help I can get!
Thanks everyone!
Like Dave posted above, I love the Brown Deception for deer hunting!!
Starting to become a fan of Spring Green after getting a gobbler so close I could see his pupils while just plain sitting on the ground.
I also like to mix up two patterns.
Here are a few pics:
Brown Deception
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/ad2877/projects/022.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/ad2877/projects/0173.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/ad2877/Harvests/021.jpg)
Spring Green:
(http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff369/arwin29/0232.jpg)
(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g128/ad2877/projects/0093.jpg)
Tracy,
Can you or someone post a B&W pic of the green deception? I live in south MS and the green deception appears to be the bomb for my area. Although i like the idea of mix and matching.
Lot of work on those pics! Don't deer have trouble seeing red and green anyway? :dunno:
I think the brown will be more versatile and break up your outline better. Even at ground level (and sometimes especially there) the gaps in the trees show horizon, and there is a lot of white/grey on tree trunks and branches.
I am biased because I only wear Fall Brown and Fall Grey and have had several good experiences with it.
QuoteOriginally posted by South MS Bowhunter:
Tracy,
Can you or someone post a B&W pic of the green deception? I live in south MS and the green deception appears to be the bomb for my area. Although i like the idea of mix and matching.
The green deception is the green predator on the first page.
5th pic down.
Here is some pictures of the Spring Green
Sorry about the compound in one of them I took them from the Predator Camo web site
Give us a call us for you Camo needs Monday - Saturday 9-5 eastern time. Or email us and we will get back to you the next day
http://www.stjoeriverbows.com/Predatorcamo.html
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QuoteOriginally posted by justracey:
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Here is a picture of the Brown Deception Pattern in Black and White. It is by far our favorite pattern
As you look at this picture notice all the light patches coming through the trees
I have used both and like both but brown is my go to pattern hands down- especially in michigan hardwoods
QuoteOriginally posted by justracey:
(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/Stjoeriverbows/adphoto-2-1.jpg)
Here is a picture of the Brown Deception Pattern in Black and White. It is by far our favorite pattern
Great picture. If I look at it and let my eyes go out of focus just a tad, you disappear. I'm really enjoying this thread.
QuoteOriginally posted by TxAg:
QuoteOriginally posted by justracey:
(http://i905.photobucket.com/albums/ac260/Stjoeriverbows/adphoto-2-1.jpg)
Here is a picture of the Brown Deception Pattern in Black and White. It is by far our favorite pattern
Great picture. If I look at it and let my eyes go out of focus just a tad, you disappear. I'm really enjoying this thread. [/b]
I think the bow is kind of pretty also :goldtooth:
David,
Actually I think the pic's you posted are the green deception and not the spring green, and if that the case They are awesome in B&W! That guy in the corn field actually melts into the image!
Yes I am sorry I miss typed that it is the green Deception