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Title: Somebody help me understand why....
Post by: SuperK on July 06, 2011, 05:25:00 PM
Somebody please help me understand why if you put an aluminum footing on a carbon arrow, the dyn. spine increases?  I thought adding weight to the end of the arrow reduces the spine, not increases it.  For example on Stu Millers calulator:
Goldtip 3555 black
27.5 inches
200 grain point
15 grain insert
15 grain nock
3x5 inch feathers=  D.Spine of 60.8
If I add a 2 inch aluminum footing of 25 grains, the D.Spine increases to 72.8!
Am I doing something wrong or what?
Somebody explan this to me....PLEASE!
Title: Re: Somebody help me understand why....
Post by: njloco on July 06, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
Wish I could help, but I don't put footings on my arrows.

Sorry.
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Post by: Buckeye Trad Hunter on July 06, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
Because it effectively makes the arrow shorter.  Not by actually decreasing the length but by shortening the amount of the arrow that can flex.
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Post by: McDave on July 06, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
Spine increases as the stiffness of the shaft increases. Spine decreases as the point weight increases.  A 2" piece of aluminum arrow shafting doesn't weigh very much, but does increase the stiffness of the shaft as a whole somewhat by making the front 2" inflexible.  I would assume the increase in shaft stiffness more than offsets the increase in point weight.
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Post by: Ragnarok Forge on July 06, 2011, 06:29:00 PM
I have found it makes no difference in arrow flight unless you shoot short shafts.  I shoot full length shafts and two inches of footing does not impact the spine at all.   With shorter shafts it can have a greater impact.
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Post by: wtpops on July 06, 2011, 06:34:00 PM
McDave and Buckeye hit it on the head, when you add a 2" footing on to your arrow you are making that 2" non-flexable there fore turning your 27.5" arrow into a 25.5" arrow as far as spine goes. The same goes for incerts. The calulator uses the standered incert lenght for its calulations, if you use a long 100 grain incert you need to put the diferance in incert lenght in the footing box.
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Post by: gto_guy on July 06, 2011, 06:45:00 PM
How about adding 1.5 inch footing that`s what I do and spine goes down on stu`s calculator.
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Post by: Bill Carlsen on July 06, 2011, 07:50:00 PM
A 1" footing is all I use.
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Post by: SuperK on July 06, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Thanks ya'll...now I understand!    :notworthy:
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Post by: Guru on July 06, 2011, 09:28:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Bill Carlsen:
A 1" footing is all I use.
Me too and I've never seen a bit of difference how my arrows shoot with or without the footing.
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Post by: wtpops on July 07, 2011, 11:24:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Guru:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by Bill Carlsen:
A 1" footing is all I use.
Me too and I've never seen a bit of difference how my arrows shoot with or without the footing. [/b]
With a 1" footing you should not see a difference as a standerd incert is just shy of 1" so that first 1" is already rendered non-flexable by the incert.

Just throwing that out there for the guys that might not understand why a 1" footing would not make a differance.
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Post by: coaster500 on July 07, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
pops is right even with brass inserts.

If you are using 100 brass inserts you have about 1 1/4" inside the shaft and 1/4" in front of the shaft. If anything with a 1" footing your spine should decrease the tiniest bit due to the extra weight. If you are using 50 grain brass inserts you have 3/4" inside and 1/8 in front. This should cancel out the 1" footing and should make no noticeable difference in spine.
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Post by: TroutGuide on July 07, 2011, 02:24:00 PM
I 2nd 1" footing and no difference.