Interested in hearing any comments on the Nano. Has anyone tried the free trial offer? I've heard this bow is essentially the ACS in all carbon. Is there any truth to that statment.
It's a great looking bow and I'd like to give it a try. Just wanted to hear what the gang thought first.
Paul
I now own one. 54# at 28 and 66 long. My draw is 31& 5/8 inchs at that it draws 63 lbs. Arrows weight is 734 grains arrow speed is 184 fps. K.E. is 52.8. It uses a plunger: Buy a AAE for it. The one that comes with it is not that good. Draw is the smoothest I have ever pulled and in my test with a chrono it is amazingly consistant.
Contact Joebuck
Doesn't have the ACS patented limbs. rpm's bow seems to be plenty quick though.
I've shot it. Very smooth and forgiving bow. We did test it in the shop through the chrony and bare shafted it but I don't remember all the details. It's a heck of a good bow and I was really impressed. I think another bowyer did the design on it but Im not naming anyone until I get my facts for sure.
Jim Belcher is the designer and Win&Win is the builder
QuoteOriginally posted by atatarpm:
Jim Belcher is the designer and Win&Win is the builder
Yep Jim did a heck of a nice job designing that with ABS. It is one smooth sweet shooting bow. Dino
Thanks for the input. I've been saving for a new bow, and thought the ACS was the one, but think I'd like to try the Nano too. Anyone shoot both? What do you think?
I wouldn't give $20 for a barrel of.. oh wait, that's the other high priced bow company ;-)
Sorry, somebody had to say it. The ad in this months TBM caught my attention and I seriously considered their try before you buy offer until I saw the price. Too many other good ILF bows out there to justify the price of this one to me. Still, I'm interested in hearing how it works out for others.
my trial did not work out, bow came without string , did send string three days latter, i was told i would still have to return bow as of orginal time, tried to put bow together, holes did not line up, had to send back, got no support to see what idid wrong was told if i was unhappy go to diiferent bow maker, it turned out okay as i get someone else place in centaur line due in march. none of this makes sense to me as they came highly recommended, was going to show bow at three day shot. still do not know if it was problem putting bow together which seemed like a no brainer, any comments would be welcome so cant comment on bow. just treatment, thanks
Can someone post a picture of this. Is this an A&H bow? I'm confused!??! Thanks
(Nevermind, I just found GOOGLE!)!! It's a search engine that let's you...................................... :knothead:
Click on forum home. The ad is top center on that page. It is not an A&H bow. It is not for everyone, is anything? I'm surprised you had less tham stellar customer service from ABS. They have always gone above and beyond for me.
If you read the reports in the Traditional Bowhunter magazine it was featured a couple of months ago. Personnaly I don't like the looks of it as I like a 1 piece bow made of wood.
I'm sure that the Qarbon Nano is a very fine bow. However it does NOT have ACS limbs (I own the patent and they don't have a licensing deal with me) and it is not made by any company here in the USA.
John
It seems like after Blacky tested this heavely promoted bow for TBM magazine and the results came public some of the buzz died?
QuoteOriginally posted by RLA:
It seems like after Blacky tested this heavely promoted bow for TBM magazine and the results came public some of the buzz died?
I agree they had claimed it was going to take performance to the next level and it really didn't. I don't think that many of the top of the line bows are going to ourperform another one by much, maybe 2-3 fps. That's why there are so many bow manufacturers. If one was truly the best wouldn't we all be shooting it.
A bow that cost that much and NOT made in America would change my mind. Not that its not a good bow..I never shot one but I have shot a lot of American made bows that cost less and shot plenty good enough.RC
I agree with RC on this one. :thumbsup:
I agree also guys. There are a lot of US bowyers that craft heirloom quality bows that perform just as good or better, for less cash.
QuoteOriginally posted by usmc2444:
my trial did not work out, bow came without string , did send string three days latter, i was told i would still have to return bow as of orginal time, tried to put bow together, holes did not line up, had to send back, got no support to see what idid wrong was told if i was unhappy go to diiferent bow maker, it turned out okay as i get someone else place in centaur line due in march. none of this makes sense to me as they came highly recommended, was going to show bow at three day shot. still do not know if it was problem putting bow together which seemed like a no brainer, any comments would be welcome so cant comment on bow. just treatment, thanks
If that's the truth, that's very interesting. No disrespect but that's hard to believe. Phone conversation or email?
I am perfectly happy with the Bows i shoot, one was built in 1984 and it still performs GREAT!
both, absolute truth will send you e-mail i sent if you would like. i was told by jack harrison they were good people should try bow. todd was very nice but he was not in charge i was very surprised and very disappointed.
Ditto for me also RC ! Not made in AMERICA with pride I'll pass !! IMHO kinda ugly bow there guys! Give me a handsome bow made with wood anyday.
mike w e-mail is usmc2444@aol.com, or phone 954-205-6302 prefer phone if you want to reach me, wil discuss. stan
Wow: one thing is certain this bow has brought out a lot of opinions from some of the older members.
Might be a great shooting bow, but not for me (even if I had the money to drop on it).
As the Zipper moto goes "Life is too short to shoot an ugly bow."
A bow needs to be made in the USA or in Australia, for me.
Ya know, I got a budget that will no where near allow me to spend that kind of money on a bow or most anything else from ABS. Maybe its the best of the best and if you can afford and desire it go for it, but my 35yr old Bear Takedown mag bow with a Zwickey head on a cedar shaft put meat in the freezer for a whole bunch less cash.
So really, as the post says, we have 3 reports by people who have shot it, with a 66% approval rating? Pretty small sample size. Sounds like it needs more testing.
Blacky Schwarz did some testing. And the numbers seem pretty normal.
problem resolved, ed president of company that sells nano bow called me and tried to resolve problem which i felt speaks highly of them, and i mean really went out of the way to set things right. so all i can say is anything i said before i must take back which i am quite happy to do. case closed stan
QuoteOriginally posted by Ben Kleinig:
A bow needs to be made in the USA or in Australia, for me.
Yeah, and there is a Scottish outfit who is pretty good, too.
Something about "CARBON" being spelled with a "Q" in big letters all over the limbs drives me nuts. I humbly submit that in these times we should patronize our hard working American bowyers.
Has anyone tried this bow with the 5gpp arrows that they state it will forever withstand? That sounds interesting. Now why can't someone exceed this performance domestically?
It will take a whole lot of 100% positive for me to consider anything but an American custom bow. Made
In China or Korea product sold at top end prices? Not on my dime. Buy American made is my way of helping our economy!
I must have read this topic wrong, I thought the poster wanted opinions on the bow not the origin?
i also thought we had more class than LWers? shame on a company trying to put a quality product on the market!
It is not my cup of tea,that being said it will probably work for lots of folks.I try to buy American but did buy my last bow out of Canada from Abe Penner.
Too much $$$ for me :nono:
Concerning the Quarbon Nano, on their website they make claims about how hard the bow shoots heavy arrows but then chronograph a number of arrow weights normally shot with compounds. The heaviest are 10 to 1 and their speed can be matched by many wood/fiberglass bows produced in this country and exceeded by many with some carbon in them. On their website they extoll the bows light weight even including a picture of one showing the weight on a postal scale. It weighs almost twice what my own wood/glass Toelke Whip weighs at the same length! In my personal opinion it is particularly ugly. None of this has anything to do with being "older" and there is nothing wrong with pointing out that it is made overseas to avoid labor costs necesarry for a citizen of this country to live on and that the price is still extremely high.
A simple observation from my perspective shows this bow is certainly having a polarizing effect among trad archers. No middle of the road here, huh?
OK, it may be foreign, expensive, ugly, non-wood, etc....but a few folks have paid their hard-earned money and like the way it shoots and looks. Why not give them a break?
Should we spend time criticizing some of our friends' choices in bows they shoot?
Jim wright wrote "on their website they make claims about how hard the bow shoots heavy arrows but then chronograph a number of arrow weights normally shot with compounds"
Appears they tested their bow against IBO specs.Thats an industry standard but not a Traditional standard. I personally like AMO standard ( 540 gr, 30" at 60#)
Jim Wright wrote.."On their website they extoll the bows light weight even including a picture of one showing the weight on a postal scale. It weighs almost twice what my own wood/glass Toelke Whip weighs at the same length!"
is your Toelke/Whip a takedown like the Nano? How much does a Toelke/Whip solid carbon riser cost?
Food for thought..lets also cast a stone at every sponsor on here that sells an imported non American made product.
i have my oppinion about a lot products i see being sponsored on here, but until i buy them and use them ......i just respectfully withhold it. Thats just me....Reason being because i know behind every family trying to make a living in archery/hunting business, is a hard working American family trying to pay their bills and make ends meet regardless of where ever they can buy their wares or have them produced. I applaud EVERY company out there in Trad land bringing unique and staple hunting products to the market that gives me CHOICES at a great financial risk to themselves.
i think joe buck said it all, all we want to know is how it shoots, then decide if you want to buy.
i'll try to get back on track for Paul the Viking!! heres my personal oppinion of the Nano i own.
64" 50# @ 28
Pros.
1. First bow i ever owned tapped for a plunger. I said what the heck and installed it. its drilled for two holes ( one for shooting off the shelf and other one higher for targets)..settled on the higher one...A little tweaking and adjusting after reading up on how to set a berger button, and i was dialed in. matter of fact i loved it so much, i drilled out my personal homemade recurve and installed a plunger. What's real nice is i can shoot broadhead weights from 125 to 300gr by just adjusting the plunger tension.. best arrow flight i ever had..............so in short really LIKE the plunger option....I'm not ready to dominate Fita but i know i can pound a hog with a range of BH's without having to adjust my old leather side plate
2. Carbon Riser......did not grab me at first. Really thought i was not a great enough shot to tell any difference between that and Bodark (ex.). Also thought the light riser weight would transmit hand shock....so i got a 50#er...i normally hunt with 68# to 70#......WISHED i had gotten a 70lber!!!!!!!!!!!! Makes sense now why Holt and some others have gone to all carbon risers. I really like the light weight riser as opposed to my heavier T/D longbow riser. It swings as fast as my lighter mass weight longbows through the target.
3. Handle grip....i thought at first too skinny .. no problem,i would put a glob of Form-a-grip on it , spray paint it black and "get it Right"..the redneck way ( buy something NEW and fix it). Well i forgot who was building it and which country wins gold medals...it wasnt rednecks like me from North MS.. The grip seats PERFECTLY in my hand like i suppose all those "target punchers" know how a torque free grip should...i spared the riser the Form a Grip...gosh i am glad.. how ugly would that have been.
4. Perfomance..Now thats a wide open subject...speed? handshock? cast? etc.....having layed up a limb or two myself ;) , Of all the factors, heres what impresses me the most...the limbs cast the string straight. Sounds simple...it's not and today slow motion cameras show it. i guess if your limbs are made out of a multi-million dollar machine, they better be straight...these are straight....and in time. i liked that.. I have never layed up a carbon limb, i know its light mass is attractive for a lighter limb design but i am impressed with limb recovery.. it is fast and quick...no excessive vibration after the shot..of coarse i measured this with no stringer silencers and still dont have any on it....it's quiet real quiet i like that.. limb bolt to carbon may lend that hand.
5. Speed.. it's not the fastest..but is in upper class..but speed has it gives and takes....usually a faster bow is noiser.......i like an Accurate bow..this fits the bill
6. finish .....woven carbon is growing on me..its not warm fuzzy feeling and looking like wood because it aint wood.. it's different..
Cons
1. Stickers or logos......totally not traditional...got to thinking why? well to me it appeared that they made this bow to market to the guys coming from compound that wasnt ready for cocobolo and red elm just yet.. sort of a 'bridge' bow. honestly..i think that was a smart marketing move..maybe brillant...they probably asked themselves "Why jump in the market with a wood bow when there are already some fantastic bowyers out there"..."How can we be different?" "ok this is different, who can make a carbon riser in USA?"...."where can you buy carbon blocks?" .......see the trail?...This is not their official response but only my assumptions. I do have a BBA in marketing.. it's from Ole Miss and yes..our football team suxs.
2. price .. it's steep...However There are a couple of bows out there more expensine with substantial less cost of material in them.. Carbon is expensive when you buy it like they have too. Have you checked ACE hardware's price lately? exactly..you just cant get it unless from oversees to make a riser out of it.. so i give them that....so then i put my logical hat on...Who's making one? Who can make it?...There was no longbow being made by this company (win and win)...R&R..start from scratch....20 trips overseas , staying for week at a time..thats exspensive!!....they also had to buy molds, cad work, re buy molds...etc...i'm guessing it might have cost 50 to 100,000 ball park. there has got to be some mark up to recoup your investment.... basically the bow is expensive because the material are expensive and it was a start up project. only my oppinion.
is it worth it? each one of us is the judge...if you only judge a product on where it's made..then No this bow is not worth it.....then you will probably need to also re-evaluate your Full Metal jacket with that magnus stinger on it too...etc...
I work in the engineering field and can tell you that American made carbon is available in any size you can imagine. As for folks who buy foreign that is their choice and their freedom to practice.
Joebuck, that's an excellent and seemingly honest evaluation of the bow. That's the kind of stuff I like to read. :thumbsup:
As for those who are hung up on "buy American", I can see some validity...but not totally. One needs reminding sometimes that two can play this game.
I personally know more than one bowyer who sells numerous bows to folks in Austria, Germany, Italy, Australia, and other foreign countries.
I know one Washington state bowyer who exports more bows to Europe than he sells in the USA.
...so what if all those Italian trad archers decided to buy only Italian? :dunno:
American carbon might be available but If this bow was built in the usa by union labor, It would cost more than your house. Not trying to stir the pot but , thats the sad hard truth. I spent about two hours with one of these bows and gave it a real going over. It's a great bow and I like alot about it. It's just not my cup of tea. Not because it cost too much. Not because it's not made in the usa. If Lee Hoots lived in China, I'd shoot a imported bow. I wonder how many products in the 3 rivers inventory are made outside the good old USA?
the carbon ABS uses is an exclusive Win Win pre/ preg carbon. it's produced in a kit. basically a mold where the carbon is layered in the mold...called kitting. Win and Win uses their top secret resins, heating and cooling and pressure for a day and a half. this is NOT a riser block of carbon CNCed..Additionally all the metal hardware is " kitted" into the mold. not drilled and tapped....inserted with the layering process.Win and Win carbon is only available through them. no other bow is made from their carbon except a Win and Win bow and Alaska Bowhunting supply. Win and Win does sell their carbon on the open market. it can't be bought raw. There's the difference when I mean it cant be bought downtown.
My bows need to be made by a USA Bowyer.
Here is that last I will say on this. And it is long winded! Win and Win makes excellent products. They are not American products, but they are at least an ally.
Win and Wins method is not unique as to how they lay up their carbon. That is how almost every carbon part in the world is made. All carbon is pre-impregnated before it is laid up as scrim or sheets. And for reference carbon is just carbon, You can change it's characteristics thru thicker strands and creative patterns in the lay up of the fibers. There are no super secret carbons out there. Unless of course your the US military and then they are secret because you call them that in your paperwork. Yes, I have worked with carbon and glass matrix materials and their lay up processes in my career.
Super secret or standard resin makes no difference in a riser block. The riser mass is great enough to counter any special effect. A limb is another story. Any properly trained materials engineer can take the characteristics of a Win and Win bow and design a riser and limbs that will match their system. That is why we have engineers, and why they are well paid. It might take a few runs to get it perfectly matched but it is not that hard.
Joebuck, we are talking about the difference between potatoe and potato here. I am glad that some folks like the bow. I am even glad the some folks are buying them. That is the american way thru freedom of choice. It does not change that the bow is overpriced and hyped past reality in it's advertising.
Buying foreign products in place of American products negatively impacts our economy and the American people. That my friend is why I do not buy foreign products. Most particularly during a depression.
I can clearly state that a full on production carbon bow that will match or beat the Quarbon Nano can be easily made for $1500 In the US. And quite frankly for less by a union shop. I sat down and ran the numbers. I then had a buddy who is a materials engineer who manages a union shop check my numbers.
Joebuck. Thanks I was feeling pretty beat little up there for a while. If you will put beaver balls on the string the bow goes dead quiet. You can not here anything frm mine now except for the arrow flying. 54# 66" Qarbon Nano. Plus my 31.5 inch draw. Making it a 63#er
And I do like the looks of my bow.
R Forge...there is no union shop in America that will or wants to make this bow riser. If it is, ABS would love to talk to them.Furthermore there is no carbon manufacture in USA that has ability to make archery limbs under same roof. Additionally there is no company in USA that inlays metal bushings in their carbon lay up. Win and Win makes an " archery " grade carbon. if carbon is so accessible in USA, who else is making a solid Carbon Riser in a traditional bow? where does Holt buy their carbon. why buy carbon from win and win? would you go to a custom kitchen and cabinet maker and order a TV? additionally when your building a " Brand" align yourself with the most respected partners. building a Brand is very expensive. .Win and Win has 30 million dolllar carbon plant making carbon unique to their olympic presence. I am not aware of any USA Union produced risers in the competitive archery circles. little known fact also ,ABS took this bow to two well
known American traditional bow companies that are sponsors on here and was turned down......
Now your comment about over priced and over hyped..That's your opinion and I respect that. But you and your buddy are at a disadvantage to me that is privy to costs of this bow. Did your buddy figure in how much a mold cost at Win and Win for the riser? $20,000 ? 40,000? how much does 20 round trip oversea tickets cost? what experience has he had with
building a bow with Win and Win? the start cost up cost for
this bow was staggering. Additionally Have your buddy run these numbers......what it cost to make the bow you are currently shooting? I have made a lot of glass bows and know cost myself :) .... Heck you can even get a Bingham Catalog and figure it up yourself......what do you think is the mark up on your personal bow 3-4-500%?? Seriously you have about 80 to 100 dollar material cost in
your bow and what does it retail for 500', 600, or 1000? And I am sure rightfully so . I wouldn't sell my handmade recurves for less than 1200. :) .
In closing , ABS did not simply pick this bow out of a Win and Win / Belcher catalog and say" put our name on it". 2 year project at least with a failed partnership to begin. a lot of overhead. What is a reasonable return on investment 10,5,3 years?
IMO we are talking difference between an Idaho and sweet potato ....both make french fries.... I
no problem Atatarpm! You will learn I am a self appointed Alaska Bowhunting Supply guardian angel on here.. it's a rough job sometimes. :) ...... Very close friends of mine for 20 plus years.
batman....after seeing you shoot that Hoots bow, I believe you could take a Win and Win 300lb Korean woman Pro shooter on 20 targets at Clarkehill!
Joebuck. I said my piece and stand behind it. We ran the price of molds, start up, production and all other expenses. That is what we do for a living. The bow is overpriced and over hyped and that is my opinion based in 20 years of engineering experience. If you would like to continue the friendly disagreement we are having send me a pm.
I find it interesting that when the decision to develop and market the bow was made, it was an American bowyer who was chosen to design and bring it along from concept to product. I find it amazing that there are some who believe that A.B.S. had to go overseas because of a lack of technological expertise in this country that produces the world's finest nuclear submarines, smart bombs, computer chips etc.., etc..
Finally, there are quite a number of custom bowyers in this country that produce bows that equal and some that exceed the Quarbon Nanos performance in lighter bows made from the most expensive exotic woods available charging FAR less than $1500.00. But the idea that if any of them thought there was enough demand to produce the bow the cost of material and the national bow builders union would drive production overseas?
GIVE ME A BREAK!
QuoteDid your buddy figure in how much a mold cost at Win and Win for the riser? $20,000 ? 40,000?
I once looked into having molds made for a fly tying idea I had(which someone else finally did)
and I was quoted $10-12K for the first proto type and after that more would be cheaper but that was the cost to just tool one and I needed 6. That was around 20 years ago so I'm sure that would be doubled today.
RagForge...opinion respected...we agree to disagree...on carbon....
Jim wright...the original design was going to be 100% american made..Then that Bowyer fell off the map ( thats been kicked to the curb on here!).. then they regrouped, offered to several other american bow companies that turned it down. I believe the carbon aspect was what the Hot issue was..Nobody over here wanted to touch it. So if your going to build a carbon bow, why not build it in a 100 million dollar Archery manufacture plant that produces it own carbon......ABS would love to have this bow produced state side..if anyone knows a plant that can reproduce this bow exactly stateside...then PM me and i will give u Garrett Schlief cell number..or call then direct.. That would cut down on costs tremedously.
QuoteOriginally posted by usmc2444:
my trial did not work out, bow came without string , did send string three days latter, i was told i would still have to return bow as of orginal time, tried to put bow together, holes did not line up, had to send back, got no support to see what idid wrong was told if i was unhappy go to diiferent bow maker, it turned out okay as i get someone else place in centaur line due in march. none of this makes sense to me as they came highly recommended, was going to show bow at three day shot. still do not know if it was problem putting bow together which seemed like a no brainer, any comments would be welcome so cant comment on bow. just treatment, thanks
What happened here??
WV,
he posted the resolution on page 3 in this topic.
It's interesting how so many people on this website like to throw rocks at the ABS bow. (probably the same who also enjoy trashing their broadhead line for being too expensive and made overseas). Border bows are popular and made in Scotland yet no one seems to bash them for price and for being non-American made. And how about the price tag for the all-American habu bows? As far as advertising hype...there is truth to that as the test speeds for the ABS bow are respectable but hardly spectacular. But let's chuck rocks at all the other archery manufacturers/bowyers who exaggerate the performance of their products. I have yet to see a bowyer advertise, "My bows are slow and kick like a mule in your bow hand!"
I read the resolution Lon, I just wanted to know why the bow would not align together.
My brother of the bow ,JohnV, brings up a great point. well he should , he's a smart cookie, he's a scientist.
ABS is a very well oiled marketing company when it comes to marketing their product. I understand that aggressive approach will rub some. Hype? in this day and age in a global market, if you have something different than your competitors ( ex.solid Carbon Riser)you better promote it or that is lost invested money. Who else makes a SOLID carbon riser in their longbow? IMO...thats something to Hype about....
but yes ABS knows how to market products for sure.they are stacked in that dept...Garriet Schlief , their president, worked years running the marketing side of one of the nation's largest hunter org. Todd Smith, who needs no introduction, handles some detail also. Ed Schlief,co-owner, well if you know ED, he has a passion for making, inventing and marketing archery hunting products. We were in the bush one time togehter in north alaska and stumbled upon some bow hunters a week deep into our solitude bowhunting trip north of Aniak lake..( my bow is still there, another story), first words out of ed's mouth ....NOT how are ya'll doing? or "any luck?"......but this. "have ya'll ever tried seal skin for arrow rest?"..i hit the ground with laughter. Thats how Ed got started in this buisness, buying seal skin from native American eskimos and turning it into an archery product. gosh that was lat 80's or early 90's...i'm gettin old...hit 50 next week. :)
now..Is that Bob lee bow really on Steriods?..or Hype?. :) .is easton arrows made in USA or assembled?. :eek: ...food for thought...hold your rocks till u know the truth.
QuoteOriginally posted by JohnV:
Border bows are popular and made in Scotland yet no one seems to bash them for price and for being non-American made ...
I have yet to see a bowyer advertise, "My bows are slow and kick like a mule in your bow hand!"
Perhaps John is shining a light on the elephant in the room. We all tend to choose our prejudices. In this case, you seldom here anything negative about some foreign manufacturers, while others are maligned. Perhaps it's not a "foreign" issue as much as an "Asian" issue. For the record, I'm fine with that if that's your sticking point ... let's just have it out in the open, otherwise it's hypocritical. I can quickly think of at least four Canadian bowyers that should be excluded if we are going to draw the line on foreign vs. domestic. By the way, did anyone's opinion of the (American) bowyer that contributed to this bows development decrease as a result?
No bowyer will tell you they think their product is inferior to another. They all make the "best". I'm inclined to agree with them ... all of them. Some make a "best" for me, others make a "best" for you.
Here's something I've considered but I don't think has been addressed yet: ABS brought in two (maybe more) high profile American bowyers. One parted company, but either way, somebody had to pay for their time and expertise. I doubt they would have given it away pro-bono to the "competition". I understand the bow could possibly be copied/duplicated at a cost savings but that does not negate the expense of coming up with the design in the first place. Folks have to get paid, American folks, consultants, experts, etc. along with R/D cost and now production costs. If you want to compare apples to apples, build up your bow from scratch and compare start up costs. You simply cannot compare what it would cost to make a suitable copy to what it cost to develop an original concept.
Jedimaster!!.....you are very well written...sorry i bring our state's literacy down.....thats good stuff......
i injected in my earlier post that there was HUGE cost in start up. Its not that easy buying a part here and part there. they sunk $50,000 alone in travel probably. i shot their first prototype, i forgot the investment they had in it only to scrap the whole bow 3 weeks later when the American bowyer fell through.
Another point to ponder is what is acceptable markup? do you not figure in R&D? travel? setup molds? failed designs? fialed molds?office overhead? pre-order committment? volume minimun? shipping fees? container insurance?
what would you say is an acceptable mark up for our "American Bowyer?" 25 50 or 100 or 500%?
question me? call ABS and tell them you are thinking about having a carbon recurve made, can you give me some advice?
in answer to bow not alligning, no answer spoke to ed and he said bow fit together, i was not able to line up, we had no resolution, he said would make video and e-mail. i would think i might have did something wrong but cant figure out it looked like a no brainer, i am old but not demented,, yet. but i did appreciate the call and he did try to settle this
I don't have any input on this bows shooting charatistics as I have never shot one. I will say it does not appeal to me at all (I think it is butt ugly) and too much $$ for me. I don't know if it is overpriced as that is only decided by someone interested in one. Will they pay it or not is the ????.
Well here is one for you to try; I drive really big oversize trucks for a living all over the U.S. I have mistakenly left my bow in the truck in the summer and also had 30 to 40 pound objects fall on it. Picked it up and checked it out and it was fine and still as straite as the day I got it. This bow is tough.
Terry Green said something the other day in another thred that I thought about and find it quite true for the bows that I own " When you put 10 grains of arrow weight to the pound of bow they all fly about the same speed". And that at least is true on the eight bows that I own.
Whew ! Am i ever happy i found my goto Bows 28 years ago,IMO there are no better today! :archer2:
R.Forge no worries sir I am just amazed at the differances of opinons about this one bow. I go to ranges all over the U.S. and people are always asking to look at my bow. And I will. also say that my Great Plains Blackhawk gets the same responces. With great thanks Ric Mitchell
Wonder how many other sponsors bows would be allowed to be called butt ugly, overpriced, overhyped etc. by people that have never shot or even seen it.
One needs simply to look on the ABS website to judge the bows visual appeal and price, opinions are definitely allowed and in fact I can't imagine how they would be forbidden even for sponsor's bows.
kevgsp,
Last time time I checked most of us live in America. Freedom of speech and polite disagreement is a right. The mods step in when we become less than civil. I for one have enjoyed the conversations here and learned a lot about why the bow is overpriced. That it is overpriced really isn't in question when you can buy a Hoyt Carbon Matrix which is an infinitely more complex system with way more parts and expense to R & D / develop, and construct for the same price. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder.
I want a bow that i have a lot of confidence in and one im not afraid to reach out there and make a killing shot.
I paid more for a bow than the bow you guys are talking about and it just didnt feel right and i shot it a LOT, sold it and never looked back.
If i ever get a chance to shoot there new bow and i think it will greatly increase my chances of making a good killing shot i will be the first in line to buy one.
We owe it to the animals we hunt to hunt with the best weapon that we as trad hunters can make fast clean kills with.
That being said it is a ugly bow. :biglaugh:
QuoteFreedom of speech and polite disagreement is a right. The mods step in when we become less than civil. I for one have enjoyed the conversations here and learned a lot about why the now is overpriced.
You know what's out of line here? The original poster asked:
QuoteWho has shot the Qarbon Nano?
And am guessing here but I bet out of 75 some odd posts and 5 pages he only got maybe 6 people reply who have actually shot the thing, the rest is a bunch whining and complaining, it's not made in the US, it's ugly, it's overpriced ect. ect.
W.T.H...?
Next time somebody asks who has shot xxx bow (who is a sponsor here) just post up that it is an ugly overpriced piece of junk. See what happens. Don't forget to add that you have never seen or shot it.
Talk about disrespectful.
QuoteOriginally posted by kevgsp:
Next time somebody asks who has shot xxx bow (who is a sponsor here) just post up that it is an ugly overpriced piece of junk. See what happens. Don't forget to add that you have never seen or shot it.
Talk about disrespectful.
:thumbsup:
It is always interesting to me how people become upset and negative at the end of these posts. For the record I said a lot earlier that Win & Win makes excellent equipment. I also said that I am glad people are buying them along with my other comments. I wish the owner of ABS well in his business endevours. It does not change that the bow is ugly, overpriced, and overhyped in my opinion.
GEEEEZZZZZZZZ....
Why didn't someone hit 'report post' about 3 pages ago????
What a mess.