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Title: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: snag on June 17, 2011, 02:59:00 PM
I see a lot of folks asking about how a certain bow's shelf is cut. Thought it might be helpful for selecting arrow spine if everyone, who knows, how their bow is cut to list it.
I'll start with:
Blacktail recurve......-3/16"
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Post by: Bjorn on June 17, 2011, 04:42:00 PM
Good idea. ACS CX 3/16 past center. Schafer LB Center.
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Post by: snag on June 17, 2011, 05:07:00 PM
Thanks Bjorn. Just thought it would help us all. Would be nice to get info. for:
1) Toelke Whip---------to center
2) Schafer TD                      LB- to center
3) Wallace TD--------- -3/16 Royal LB--
4) Brackenbury
  Legend------------- -3/16
5) Morrison all models
6) Stalker------------ -3/16
7) Zipper------------- -1/8(?)
8) Shrew
9) BW
10)Apex Predator
  Cumberland--------- +1/8
  Sapelo------------- +1/8
  Ossabaw------------ to center
  Wassaw------------- to center
11)Griffin
12)Acadian
13)Habu
14)RER
  Arroyo------------ -3/16
  XR t/d------------ -3/16
15)Boice Liberty
16)V-Archery
17)Hoyt
18)Border
19)Bob Lee
  Recurve---------- -3/16
  Stick------------ to center
20)Fedora
21)Kanati----------- to center
22)Pronghorn
23)Northern Mist
24)Cascade
25)Assenheimer
26)Rose Oak----------- -1/8
27)A&H ACS CX--------- -3/16
28)Harrelson LB------- to center
29)Abbott LB---------- +1/16
30)Pittsley Predator-- -3/16
31)Kohannah Kurve----- to center
32)Howard Hill Wesley- +3/16
33)Eaglewing---------- all options
34)Savage SS---------- -3/16
...there are many more, don't mean to leave any out. Just list what you have or know about. Thanks, David
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Post by: Night Wing on June 17, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
All of the Rose Oak Creations recurves by bowywer Brandon Stahl are cut 1/8" past center which mean they have a (-1/8) number.
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Post by: cbCrow on June 17, 2011, 05:19:00 PM
Lynn Harrelson longbow- to center
Abbott longbow- +1/16
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: Night Wing on June 17, 2011, 05:22:00 PM
I know all the recurve bows built by Wes Wallace are cut 3/16" past center so their numbers are (-3/16).

I don't know anything about how the shelf is cut on the Royal longbow he builds.
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Post by: Pat B. on June 17, 2011, 05:32:00 PM
Unless I'm mistaken, the shelf is what the arrow sits on; the sight window is what you're asking about..
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: snag on June 17, 2011, 06:11:00 PM
Thank you for the correction. I always refer to it as how the shelf is cut. In other words, it's how deep the shelf is cut into the riser. But I think we are on the same page.

Good start on these bows guys! Keep it coming. Let's cover all the bases.
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Post by: Nathan Killen on June 17, 2011, 06:31:00 PM
Stalker recurves are 3/16 past center.
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Post by: LEWIS VADEN on June 17, 2011, 06:34:00 PM
Kanati is cut to center.
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on June 17, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
Pittsley's Predator is cut 3/16" past center or -3/16".
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Post by: BWD on June 17, 2011, 06:59:00 PM
Apex Predator's are listed on his site...apex predator llc.

Cumberland  +1/8"
Sapelo  +1/8"
Ossabaw  to center
Wassaw  to center
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: snag on June 17, 2011, 07:44:00 PM
:thumbsup:  This will be a good resource for all of us.
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Post by: snag on June 17, 2011, 07:46:00 PM
Kohannah Kurve is cut to center....just read this on another thread.
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Post by: ChrisM on June 17, 2011, 07:49:00 PM
Bob Lee Recurve -3/16
Bob Lee Stick 0 (cut to center)
Howard Hill Wesley Special +3/16
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Post by: Outwest on June 17, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Brackenbury Legend - 3/16 past center.

John
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Post by: Sixby on June 17, 2011, 08:49:00 PM
Eaglewing, Whatever the customer wants
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Post by: snag on June 18, 2011, 12:45:00 AM
Very good guys. Keep 'em coming. After we compile this list I'll make a sheet up that anyone can come and view in the future.
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Post by: TxAg on June 18, 2011, 12:55:00 AM
Toelke Whip is cut to center
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: snag on June 18, 2011, 02:08:00 PM
Thanks Tx. I have one coming next week. This is what got me thinking about this.
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Post by: Shawn Leonard on June 18, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
RER Arroyo and the XR T/D 3/16th. past and actually on the 3 I own almost 1/4" past. We will say 3/16ths. for good measure. Shawn
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Post by: Bjorn on June 18, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
Zipper is cut to center, Centaur is cut to center.
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Post by: Shawn Leonard on June 18, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
I believe Zippers are cut past center at least the ones I owned were at least 1/8th. past and I think more. Shawn
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Post by: snag on June 18, 2011, 04:25:00 PM
I emailed Bob and Tracy for clarification on the Zipper. Thanks!
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Post by: Bjorn on June 18, 2011, 04:43:00 PM
Sometimes bows can be tricky to measure especially if the surface is curves, I measured my Zipper..... it will be interesting to see what Bob responds.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: saumensch on June 18, 2011, 04:55:00 PM
Arcs Millenium Mohican: +1/8
Samick SHT: - 1/8
BigJim Thunderchild: 0
Bob Lee Signature LB: -3/16
Bear TD Hunter 1: -1/16 (not 100%sure)
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: snag on June 18, 2011, 04:56:00 PM
I updated the listings on page one. Please take a look guys and see if you know of any others. If we get stumped by next week I will start contacting bowyers.
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Post by: coaster500 on June 19, 2011, 10:32:00 AM
Big Jims Buffalo Bow: 0
IdahoCurts 3pc Hunter: +3/16
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Post by: Javi on June 19, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
Sarrels are cut pretty much to center.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: Swamp Yankee on June 19, 2011, 10:43:00 AM
Just a word of caution re: Stu's calculator numbers.  Just because a bow is cut 3/16 beyond center does NOT mean you enter -3/16 into the calculator!  The calculator wants to know how far the ARROW is from center, which needs to include the thickness of the arrow plate too.  Typically a -3/16 cut bow has a 1/16 plate which equals -1/8 for the calculator.  I can't tell you how often I've seen plate thickness not considered when people complain the calculator does't work for them.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on June 19, 2011, 12:26:00 PM
Dan you got that one right.  

If you select a bow from the database you have to enter the plate thickness in the box below. where it says.

"For specific bow models, enter strike plate thickness  _          
(X.XX or fractional equivalent)         ."
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: bowtough on June 19, 2011, 03:02:00 PM
Talked with Bill of Zipper bows at Cloverdale. His extreme risers are 3/16 past center. And I beleive all others are either the same or 1/8th.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: David McLendon on June 19, 2011, 03:19:00 PM
BW PAX -3/16
Tall Tines recurve -1/8
Shrew Carbon Classic Hunter cut to center
BW Crown Jewel -3/16
1965 Bear Kodiak ____?
1968 Bear K-Mag ___?
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on June 19, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Swamp Yankee:
Just a word of caution re: Stu's calculator numbers.  Just because a bow is cut 3/16 beyond center does NOT mean you enter -3/16 into the calculator!  The calculator wants to know how far the ARROW is from center, which needs to include the thickness of the arrow plate too.  Typically a -3/16 cut bow has a 1/16 plate which equals -1/8 for the calculator.  I can't tell you how often I've seen plate thickness not considered when people complain the calculator does't work for them.
Absolutely! I believe this measurement is the single most important entry into Stu's calc.
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Post by: kat on June 19, 2011, 06:04:00 PM
Schafer Silvertip  T/D is -3/16".
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Post by: hkmp5 on June 19, 2011, 10:34:00 PM
Hello David,
Good post!  Here is the data I have.  When you get this totalled up please let me know and I will include them in the DSC.
-Stu

3Rivers Dalaa T/D Recurve   - 11/32
3Rivers Tomahawk     1/16
A&H ACS CX TD Longbow     -  3/16
Abbott D/R Longbow     1/16
Acadian Woods Cajun Hunter   -  3/16
Acadian Woods Carbon Reflex Recurve   -  3/16
Acadian Woods Tree Stick   -  3/16
Allen Boice Liberty English      1/8
Ancient Spirits Cahokia   0      
Assenheimer Master Hunter   -  3/16
Bateman R/D Longbow   0      
Bear A or B Mag. Riser   -  1/8
Bear AuSable longbow   0      
Bear Cheyenne Recurve   -  1/8
Bear Grizzly (Current Prod.)   -  1/8
Bear Grizzly (Old Model)   0      
Bear Kodiak Hunter   0      
Bear Kodiak Mag   -  1/8
Bear Minuteman   -  3/16
Bear Montana   0      
Bear Super Kodiak    0      
Bear TakeDown A or B Riser   0      
Belcher Patriot Recurve    -  1/8
Ben Pearson Palomino   0      
Ben Pearson Mustang   0      
Big Jim's Buffalo Bow   0      
Big Jim's Thunder Child   0      
Bill Stewart MultiCam Super Hunter    -  1/4
Bill Stewart MultiCam Trad Hunter    -  3/16
Black Widow PCH   -  1/8
Black Widow PL   0      
Black Widow PMA   -  3/16
Black Widow PSA   -  3/16
Black Widow PSR   0      
Blacktail Recurve   -  3/16
Bob Lee 1-piece Recurve   -  1/16
Bob Lee Stick   0      
Bob Lee Takedown Longbow   -  3/16
Bob Lee Takedown Recurve   -  3/16
Border Black Douglas   -  3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Longbow   -  3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Recurve   -  3/16
Browning 50 Cobra I   0      
Browning Wasp   -  1/8
Caribow Peregrine   -  1/16
Carpathian (CTA) Red Stag     4/41
Centaur Carbon Elite   0      
Centaur Longbow   0      
Checkmate Hunter   -  1/16
Crow Creek Black Feather   0      
Dale Dye Good Medicine   -  1/8
Dan Quillian Longhunter     1/8
Dry Ridge Longbow   0      
Dryad Bush Wacker   0      
Dryad Orion Longbow   0      
Great Northern Bushbow     1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter     1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter Special     1/8
Great Northern Fireball   0      
Great Northern Ghost     1/8
Great Northern Super Ghost   0      
Great Northern Trad Longbow     1/8
Great Plains SR Swift Black Hawk   -  1/4
Great Tree Volcano   0      
Greatree Dearslayer   -  3/16
Habu Death Ader   -  1/16
Habu Vyperkahn   -  1/8
Holm-Made Osprey    0      
Holm-Made River Runner   0      
Horne's Brush Bow   0      
Hoyt Buffalo Recurve   -  3/16
J.K. Traditions Kanati   0      
JD Berry Appollo   0      
JD Berry Renaissance     1/8
Kohannah Kurve   0      
Kota Prairie Fire    0      
Leon Stewart r/d Longbow   0      
Leon Stewart Recurve   0      
Leon Stewart Slammer   0      
Lost Creek Judge   0      
Lost Creek Life-Ender   0      
Lost Creek N.A.T   0      
Martin Bamboo Viper   0      
Martin Dream Catcher   -  1/8
Martin Hatfield   -  1/8
Martin Hunter   -  1/8
Martin Jaguar   -  3/4
Martin Savanna   0      
Martin Serengeti   0      
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Longbow    -  3/16
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Recurve    -  3/16
Pearson Hunter   -  1/8
Pearson Predator   -  1/16
Predator Classic Recurve   -  1/8
Predator Hunter   -  1/16
Quinn stallion   -  5/16
Ragim Black Bear   0      
Ragim Impala   0      
Rose Oak Prowler T/D   -  1/8
Rose Oak Super Wildcat   -  1/8
Rose Oak King Panther   -  1/8
Samick Black Onyx   -  1/16
Samick Legend     1/8
Samick Red Stag   0      
Samick Sage   -  3/16
Schafer Silvertip Longbow   -  1/16
Schafer Silvertip Recurve   -  3/16
Shakespeare Purist X-4   0      
Thunderstick Ram Horn   0      
TimberHawk Falcon     1/8
Toelke Whip     1/16
TradTech Galaxy ILF Recurve   0      
TradTech Recon ILF Recurve   0      
Treadway Black Swamp     1/16
Wapiti Recurves (all models)   0      
Wes Wallace Recurve   -  3/16
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on June 20, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
Stu thank you for providing your database from the
DSC. I have combined the information Dave had in his list with yours. I will send the excel spreadsheet to both of you

There are some discrepancies that I noticed.  Check BOB LEE..Recurve and Toelke Whip.  

3Rivers Dalaa T/D Recurve  - 11/32
3Rivers Tomahawk 1/16
A&H ACS CX TD Longbow - 3/16
Abbott D/R Longbow 1/16
Acadian Woods Cajun Hunter - 3/16
Acadian Woods Carbon Reflex Recurve - 3/16
Acadian Woods Tree Stick - 3/16
Allen Boice Liberty English 1/8
Ancient Spirits Cahokia 0
Apex Predator Cumberland +1/8"
Apex Predator Sapelo +1/8"
Apex Predator Ossabaw 0
Apex Predator Wassaw 0
Bateman R/D Longbow 0
Bear A or B Mag. Riser - 1/8
Bear AuSable longbow 0
Bear Cheyenne Recurve - 1/8
Bear Grizzly (Current Prod.) - 1/8
Bear Grizzly (Old Model) 0
Bear Kodiak Hunter 0
Bear Kodiak Mag - 1/8
Bear Minuteman - 3/16
Bear Montana 0
Bear Super Kodiak 0
Bear TakeDown A or B Riser 0
Belcher Patriot Recurve - 1/8
Ben Pearson Palomino 0
Ben Pearson Mustang 0
Big Jim's Buffalo Bow 0
Big Jim's Thunder Child 0
Bill Stewart MultiCam Super Hunter - 1/4
Bill Stewart MultiCam Trad Hunter - 3/16
Black Widow PCH - 1/8
Black Widow PL 0
Black Widow PMA - 3/16
Black Widow PSA - 3/16
Black Widow PSR 0
Blacktail Recurve - 3/16
BOB LEE RECURVE -3/16
Bob Lee 1-piece Recurve - 1/16
Bob Lee Stick 0
Bob Lee Takedown Longbow - 3/16
Bob Lee Takedown Recurve - 3/16
Border Black Douglas - 3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Longbow - 3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Recurve - 3/16
Browning 50 Cobra I 0
Browning Wasp - 1/8
Caribow Peregrine - 1/16
Carpathian (CTA) Red Stag 4/41
Centaur Carbon Elite 0
Centaur Longbow 0
Checkmate Hunter - 1/16
Crow Creek Black Feather 0
Dale Dye Good Medicine - 1/8
Dan Quillian Longhunter 1/8
Dry Ridge Longbow 0
Dryad Bush Wacker 0
Dryad Orion Longbow 0
Great Northern Bushbow 1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter 1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter Special 1/8
Great Northern Fireball 0
Great Northern Ghost 1/8
Great Northern Super Ghost 0
Great Northern Trad Longbow 1/8
Great Plains SR Swift Black Hawk - 1/4
Great Tree Volcano 0
Greatree Dearslayer - 3/16
Habu Death Ader - 1/16
Habu Vyperkahn - 1/8
28)Harrelson LB------- to center
Holm-Made Osprey 0
Holm-Made River Runner 0
32)Howard Hill Wesley- +3/16
Horne's Brush Bow 0
Hoyt Buffalo Recurve - 3/16
J.K. Traditions Kanati 0
JD Berry Appollo 0
JD Berry Renaissance 1/8
Kanati   0
Kohannah Kurve 0
Kota Prairie Fire 0
Leon Stewart r/d Longbow 0
Leon Stewart Recurve 0
Leon Stewart Slammer 0
Lost Creek Judge 0
Lost Creek Life-Ender 0
Lost Creek N.A.T 0
Martin Bamboo Viper 0
Martin Dream Catcher - 1/8
Martin Hatfield - 1/8
Martin Hunter - 1/8
Martin Jaguar - 3/4
Martin Savanna 0
Martin Serengeti 0
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Longbow - 3/16
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Recurve - 3/16
Pearson Hunter - 1/8
Pearson Predator - 1/16
30)Pittsley Predator-- -3/16
Predator Classic Recurve - 1/8
Predator Hunter - 1/16
Quinn stallion - 5/16
Ragim Black Bear 0
Ragim Impala 0
RER Arroyo------------ -3/16
RER XR t/d------------ -3/16
Rose Oak Prowler T/D - 1/8
Rose Oak Super Wildcat - 1/8
Rose Oak King Panther - 1/8
Samick Black Onyx - 1/16
Samick Legend 1/8
Samick Red Stag 0
Samick Sage - 3/16
34)Savage SS---------- -3/16
Schafer Silvertip Longbow - 1/16
Schafer Silvertip Recurve - 3/16
Schafer TD LB 0
Shakespeare Purist X-4 0
6) Stalker------------ -3/16
Thunderstick Ram Horn 0
TimberHawk Falcon 1/8
Toelke Whip 1/16
1) Toelke Whip---------to center
TradTech Galaxy ILF Recurve 0
TradTech Recon ILF Recurve 0
Treadway Black Swamp 1/16
Wallace TD--------- -3/16 Royal LB--
Wapiti Recurves (all models) 0
Wes Wallace Recurve - 3/16
7) Zipper------------- -1/8(?)


Here is the list of unknowns
7) Zipper -1/8?
8) Shrew
9) BW
11)Griffin
12)Acadian
13)Habu
15)Boice Liberty
16)V-Archery
17)Hoyt
18)Border
20)Fedora
22)Pronghorn
23)Northern Mist
24)Cascade
25)Assenheimer
33)Eaglewing---------- all options
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: snag on June 20, 2011, 11:15:00 AM
Thanks Stu and Les! When I ordered a Whip from Dan Toelke he said it was cut to center. I'll try and verify the Bob Lee bows too.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on June 20, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
Dave will send a better spread sheet to you later.
I am breaking down the info into

bow type
center cut fraction
center cut decimal.

You and Stu should have it later this afternoon.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: Eugene Slagle on June 20, 2011, 11:55:00 AM
1991 Sky Sky Hawk = 1/8" past center.
2009 Zona T/D Recurve = center.

I've always measured the center by finding my center of the limbs, mark that spot then along with stringing the bow I also tape some B50 to those marks then measure the shelf.

Worked for me for may years.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on June 20, 2011, 12:45:00 PM
Just got off the phone with Ron LaClair at Shrew.
Prior to 2011 bows were cut 1/8 beyond center so -1/8
starting in 2011 they started to cut to center 0

Dave I included info in most recent excel I sent you.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: TxAg on June 20, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
Great thread guys. Good idea.
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on June 21, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
Here is the list as of this morning. Shrew and Zipper bows were confirmed by the bowyers yesterday.

If using Stu's calculator you need to account for the thickness of the strike plate material. example a bow cut to -3/16 with a +1/8 material on the strike plate would have a center cut of -1/16.


Bow Type
3Rivers Dalaa T/D Recurve   11/32
3Rivers Tomahawk 1/16
A&H ACS CX TD Longbow - 3/16
Abbott D/R Longbow 1/16
Acadian Woods Cajun Hunter
Acadian Woods Carbon Reflex Recurve - 3/16
Acadian Woods Tree Stick - 3/16
Allen Boice Liberty English 1/8
Ancient Spirits Cahokia 0
Apex Predator Cumberland +1/8"
Apex Predator Sapelo +1/8"
Apex Predator Ossabaw 0
Apex Predator Wassaw 0
Bateman R/D Longbow 0
Bear A or B Mag. Riser - 1/8
Bear AuSable longbow 0
Bear Cheyenne Recurve
Bear Grizzly (Current Prod.) - 1/8
Bear Grizzly (Old Model) 0
Bear Kodiak Hunter 0
Bear Kodiak Mag - 1/8
Bear Minuteman - 3/16
Bear Montana 0
Bear Super Kodiak 0
Bear TakeDown A or B Riser 0
Belcher Patriot Recurve - 1/8
Ben Pearson Palomino 0
Ben Pearson Mustang 0
Big Jim's Buffalo Bow 0
Big Jim's Thunder Child 0
Bill Stewart MultiCam Super Hunter - 1/4
Bill Stewart MultiCam Trad Hunter - 3/16
Black Widow PCH - 1/8
Black Widow PL 0
Black Widow PMA - 3/16
Black Widow PSA - 3/16
Black Widow PSR 0
Black Widow PAX
Blacktail Recurve - 3/16
BOB LEE RECURVE -3/16
Bob Lee 1-piece Recurve - 1/16
Bob Lee Stick 0
Bob Lee Takedown Longbow - 3/16
Bob Lee Takedown Recurve - 3/16
Border Black Douglas - 3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Longbow - 3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Recurve - 3/16
Browning 50 Cobra I 0
Browning Wasp - 1/8
Caribow Peregrine - 1/16
Carpathian (CTA) Red Stag 4/41
Centaur Carbon Elite 0
Centaur Longbow 0
Checkmate Hunter - 1/16
Crow Creek Black Feather 0
Dale Dye Good Medicine - 1/8
Dan Quillian Longhunter 1/8
Dry Ridge Longbow 0
Dryad Bush Wacker 0
Dryad Orion Longbow 0
Eaglewing Archery  cut to customer specs
Great Northern Bushbow 1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter 1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter Special 1/8
Great Northern Fireball 0
Great Northern Ghost 1/8
Great Northern Super Ghost 0
Great Northern Trad Longbow 1/8
Great Plains SR Swift Black Hawk - 1/4
Great Tree Volcano 0
Greatree Dearslayer - 3/16
Habu Death Ader - 1/16
Habu Vyperkahn - 1/8
28)Harrelson LB------- to center
Holm-Made Osprey 0
Holm-Made River Runner 0
32)Howard Hill Wesley- +3/16
Horne's Brush Bow 0
Hoyt Buffalo Recurve - 3/16
Hoyt Excel Riser
J.K. Traditions Kanati 0
JD Berry Appollo 0
JD Berry Renaissance 1/8
Kanati   0
Kohannah Kurve 0
Kota Prairie Fire 0
Leon Stewart r/d Longbow 0
Leon Stewart Recurve 0
Leon Stewart Slammer 0
Lost Creek Judge 0
Lost Creek Life-Ender 0
Lost Creek N.A.T 0
Martin Bamboo Viper 0
Martin Dream Catcher - 1/8
Martin Hatfield - 1/8
Martin Hunter - 1/8
Martin Jaguar - 3/4
Martin Savanna 0
Martin Serengeti 0
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Longbow - 3/16
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Recurve - 3/16
Pearson Hunter - 1/8
Pearson Predator - 1/16
30)Pittsley Predator-- -3/16
Predator Classic Recurve - 1/8
Predator Hunter - 1/16
Quinn stallion - 5/16
Ragim Black Bear 0
Ragim Impala 0
RER Arroyo -3/16
RER XR t/d  -3/16
Rose Oak Prowler T/D - 1/8
Rose Oak Super Wildcat - 1/8
Rose Oak King Panther - 1/8
Samick Black Onyx - 1/16
Samick Legend 1/8
Samick Red Stag 0
Samick Sage - 3/16
34)Savage SS---------- -3/16
Schafer Silvertip Longbow - 1/16
Schafer Silvertip Recurve - 3/16
Schafer TD LB 0
Shrew Bows prior to 2011
Shrew Bows manufactured 2011+
Shakespeare Purist X-4 0
Sky Sky Hawk 1991
6) Stalker------------ -3/16
Tall Tines recurve
Thunderstick Ram Horn 0
TimberHawk Falcon 1/8
Toelke Whip 1/16
1) Toelke Whip---------to center
TradTech Galaxy ILF Recurve 0
TradTech Recon ILF Recurve 0
Treadway Black Swamp 1/16
Wallace TD--------- -3/16 Royal LB--
Wapiti Recurves (all models) 0
Wes Wallace Recurve - 3/16
Zipper SXT -1/8
Zipper ZSR -1/8
Zipper Standard -3/16
Zipper Extreme Riser -3/16
Zona T/D Recurve 2009  0
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on June 21, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
I have turned the list into a pdf document. click on this link    Bow Center Cuts PDF (http://www.heilakka.com/bowcentercuts.xlsx.pdf)
Depending on your computer set up you should be able to either open it with Adobe reader or save it to your computer.


Here is the link to   Stu Miller Dynamic Spine Calculator (http://www.heilakka.com/stumiller/)  page. To use the calculator you need to have Microsoft Excel or the Open Office spread sheet program on your computer.

here is the direct link for the   DSC instruction manual in PDF (http://www.heilakka.com/stumiller/calculatorinstructions.pdf) .  has great information and photos on measuring center cut, strike plate, internal and external footings and more.
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Post by: Rik on June 21, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
I have a question. When you say 1/8" past center or -1/8", does that mean the bow is 1/8" wider than if the bow were cut in half right down the middle, or does it mean it is 1/8" narrower than if the bow were cut in half down the middle?

Dumb question I know, but the -1/8" is throwing me off. I always thought that 1/8" past center would be a bow that is 1/8" wider than center cut, but to my mind that would be +1/8".

Somebody set me straight.
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Post by: snag on June 21, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
If you were to mark the middle of the limbs and then look at where the string hits the limbs the string would be 1/8" to the right of the middle of the limb(if it is a RH'd bow). So cut to center or "0" would mean the string and the middle of the limbs would line up perfectly.
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Post by: S C Mercer on June 21, 2011, 02:39:00 PM
When I bought my Morrison Shawnee from Bob Morrison, he told me it was cut 3/16" past center.  FYI,  Steve
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Post by: kh29smokes88 on June 21, 2011, 03:09:00 PM
What about Bamabows...any info on how they are cut?
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Post by: bendbig on June 21, 2011, 03:46:00 PM
Toelke Super D cut to center. When I get home I'll check my recurves.  Great topic some good info here.
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Post by: metsastaja on June 21, 2011, 03:49:00 PM
Perhaps this will help with the plus minus issues.


(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii45/heilakka/AAHUNT/stushelflocation.jpg)
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Post by: metsastaja on June 21, 2011, 04:06:00 PM
Here is some more help.  I just took this from Stu's directions for the DSC.  Bit fuzzy due to photo limits

(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii45/heilakka/strikeplate.jpg)
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Post by: snag on June 21, 2011, 04:07:00 PM
Perfect. There is a lot of info. in Stu's calculator directions that I think most don't take the time to read.
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Post by: bendbig on June 22, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
Acadian Woods Custom Classic recurve -1/8
Robertson Purist longbow  +1/16
Toelke 2pc recurve        -1/16

If you are having a problem measuring your bow there is a great drawing in the "Instruction" section of the calculator, using a piece of string taped to your bow then aligning your bow string and the taped string to give you your measurement.
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Post by: hayslope on June 22, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
Has anyone measured one of the old Bear Kodiaks....say a 59 or 60?  Just curious what you have determined to enter in the calculator.
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Post by: bubinga on June 22, 2011, 11:25:00 AM
Welch Dakota Pro Hunter -1/8
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Post by: metsastaja on June 22, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
Glen I am not going to include since you have custom.. I consider that a user request.

Acadian Woods Classic CUSTOM they will do custom center cuts on request from -3/16 to 0
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Post by: snag on June 22, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
Black Widow:
PMA, PSA,&PTF= -3/16
PCH=========== -1/8
PL&PSR========  0
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on June 23, 2011, 09:07:00 AM
Got it Snag.

CORRECTION the 3rivers Dalaa is -11/32 not + as posted. Will fix with next release.
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Post by: metsastaja on June 23, 2011, 09:56:00 AM
Here is the most recent list of Bow center Cuts.
added some more bows and fixed the Dalaa.

  BOW CENTER CUT DATA (http://www.heilakka.com/bowcentercuts.xlsx.pdf)  as OF JUNE 23
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Post by: snag on June 23, 2011, 09:58:00 AM
Good work guys. A good resource for the bowhunting community!
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Post by: Friend on June 23, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
Habu Vyperkahn - (-1/8")
Tall Tines - (~-1/8")
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Post by: metsastaja on June 23, 2011, 10:38:00 PM
thanks they are on the list.
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Post by: legends1 on June 24, 2011, 12:36:00 AM
All my bows are cut 3/16
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Post by: Swamp Yankee on June 24, 2011, 07:58:00 AM
I've found at least one of my custom order bows cut a little differently than some others have posted.  I'd suggest measuring centercut yourself if you are going to use the calculator for a starting point; especially custom built non-CNC cut risers.  In my opinion, there simply is no substitute for getting your hands on a set of test arrows of various spines and simply picking the one that shoots best for your particular bow and shooting style.  YMMV.
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Post by: metsastaja on June 24, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
Thank you Michael of Legend Bows.  I have included yours in the list.

Very good suggestion Dan. Its the way I have done it.  The list is a resource not an absolute.
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Post by: Tim Mullins on June 24, 2011, 08:36:00 AM
All of mine are -3/16"
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Post by: metsastaja on June 24, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Tim I have all your bows at -3/16. But I also have a line for your bows that says you will do different on customer request.
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Post by: NathanS on July 22, 2011, 11:55:00 PM
HI this is Nate from Bamabows. I cut my bows + 1/8  to + 3/16 and like the one guy said it's best to check because it's not hard to loose or gain a `1/16
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Post by: metsastaja on July 23, 2011, 09:00:00 AM
Thank you Nat I have added your bows along with your great advice

"it's best to check because it's not hard to loose or gain a `1/16"
Title: Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
Post by: metsastaja on July 23, 2011, 09:20:00 AM
here is the new list with bamabows included

  Bowcentercuts in PDF.  You should be able to just download,save on your computer or open with Adobe Reader (http://www.heilakka.com/bowcentercuts.xlsx.pdf)
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Post by: snag on July 23, 2011, 10:16:00 AM
Just a reminder to all who use this info., this is without the strike plate that the bowyer or you put on your bow. I think some folks forget this important fact.
Thanks Les and Stu and all the bowyers that helped put this together!
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Post by: BrokenArrows on January 19, 2012, 06:05:00 PM
My Martin Savannah and Horne's Brush Bow look more like 1/8 than 0 to me.

The DSC needs to be calibrated w a known good setup to determine the Personal Form Factor (PFF) before best use too. RTFM?

I have good setups (bare shaft/paper tested) that are not even close according to the DSC unless I adjust w a PFF.
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Post by: JamesKerr on January 19, 2012, 07:40:00 PM
Tomahawk original and diamond series are cut to + 1/16". The new 3 piece legacy series is cut to - 1/8". Black Widow's Pl series is cut to center.
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Post by: Robin Chung on February 23, 2017, 11:18:00 PM
Thx so much folks!!This post is enlightening!
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Post by: Bladepeek on February 24, 2017, 12:39:00 PM
I have not contacted the makers to ask if this info is accurate for all their bows, but mine are as follows:

Mohawk Sparrow Hawk 1-piece +3/16
Java Man Elk Heart 2-piece 0
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Post by: M60gunner on February 24, 2017, 06:15:00 PM
Per Wes Wallace, the Royal LB is cut to center.
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Post by: MnFn on February 25, 2017, 09:39:00 AM
Tall Tines  recurve is 1/8 past center.
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Post by: on February 25, 2017, 02:28:00 PM
From 3/16 to 3/8.
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on February 25, 2017, 04:23:00 PM
Mine is cut on the side   :dunno:
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Post by: drewsbow on February 25, 2017, 04:30:00 PM
it was a bandsaw
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Post by: on February 25, 2017, 08:15:00 PM
The current bloodiest bow in the fleet has no cut at all.  My next will sort of  be the same.
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Post by: Keefer on February 25, 2017, 09:23:00 PM
Just asked Brandon a few days ago about my RoseOak Creations "Ace" recurve and he responded they are cut "To center"!
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Post by: S.C. Hunter on March 19, 2017, 12:00:00 PM
How do these numbers reflect on the spine calculator. Never used it I have just been very close on my setups and then tweaked it. Just curious because I would like to try it. My Robertson Stykbow is cut 1/8 past center.
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Post by: on March 19, 2017, 03:34:00 PM
If you go to the 3 river calculator the specs on the bow side will ask for that measure.   You need to put in +.125 when using the generic R/D bow.  It will reduce the required spine.  Now, if your release is strong, through trial and error with known spined arrows you will find your personal quotient number at the bottom.   Mine is 9 to 11 depending on the bow.  Also, a Robertson fires a fairly hard arrow, perhaps more than the generic catagory, that will up the number as well.   Personally, I am guessing that variables with full length carbon or for that matter full length wood arrows can toss much of the chart data away.   For standard length wood and aluminum arrows, one inch or less past the back of the bow bop, if I can watch the person shoot and get an idea how hard the bow shoots and the individuals release is, I find the chart is very accurate.
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