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Title: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 16, 2011, 12:18:00 AM
Well, I just got back last night with my buddy Doug Burns from a great traditional bow hunt down under that was outfitted by TradGang sponsor Trophy Bowhunts Australia and guided by our own Andy Ivy and Mick Baker. Those guys set up a nice camp and worked their tails off. I am still beat from the long trip home and all the work that was waiting for me when I got back, so you will have to wait a little while to know what happened. I need to load up some pictures and show you some of the sights of the outback in the beautiful Northern Territory of Australia. More tomorrow evening.      :readit:       :dunno:    

Allan
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Post by: 4dogs on June 16, 2011, 12:46:00 AM
Welcome home,looking forward to hearing and seeing more about your trip.
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Post by: The Vanilla Gorilla on June 16, 2011, 01:10:00 AM
Lookin forward to your pics and stories.  I'm heading that way in September to hunt with Mick and Andy.  Hope they can handle another dose of Okie!
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Post by: Ben Maher on June 16, 2011, 01:26:00 AM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: elknutz on June 16, 2011, 01:37:00 AM
Oh man, I am looking forward to this!
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Post by: Jwilliam on June 16, 2011, 01:55:00 AM
Glad you had a great trip Allan !!!  Looking forward to your pictures.


Bill
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Post by: Steve Clandinin on June 16, 2011, 02:07:00 AM
Really looking forward to this.I was in OZ in the Mid 80's,didn't get a chance to hunt ,but sure would have liked to.
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Post by: GRINCH on June 16, 2011, 02:09:00 AM
Can't wait to hear about it.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: daniel boon on June 16, 2011, 02:43:00 AM
Hope you had a great trip    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Jwilliam on June 16, 2011, 02:44:00 AM
This should be good !!!  :campfire:  


Bill
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Post by: Smallwood on June 16, 2011, 03:04:00 AM
:campfire:    :coffee:
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Post by: Friend on June 16, 2011, 05:41:00 AM
While Andy and I have never actually met, we have PM'd several times and I have many of his posts.

I am compelled to say that 'I love hunting with Trad Tusker'. The vivid stories, enjoyable communications and thought provoking pics seem to actually place me there with him.

Looking forward, with very interested anticpation to your story, sharing of the camp and splendid pics.
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Post by: rushlush on June 16, 2011, 05:14:00 PM
Looking forward to the story and pics!
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Post by: Greyfox54 on June 17, 2011, 05:24:00 AM
Mick's a great guy ! Lord willing I will get to hunt with him again . By the way Rushlush hows that Tippit knife ? I thought I had you . best of luck with it , Fred
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Post by: piggy on June 17, 2011, 06:43:00 AM
looking forward to the rest of this hunt, Mick and Andy are great guides so should be interesting.
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Post by: amar911 on June 17, 2011, 09:29:00 AM
I just loaded up the pictures last night that I will be posting. That took awhile and I ran out of time to post the stories. Here is the start. Doug and I are sitting in the airport on May 31 waiting for our plane in Oklahoma City that will take us on to Los Angeles, Sydney, and then Darwin. We will spend the next 40 hours without resting except on the plane. Notice our Kuiu "look". If you can't be the part, at least look it! We were really excited in anticipation of the hunt, but not looking forward to the long travel. I am the guy without the beard.

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Off to work now. Much more to come later.

Allan
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Post by: buckster on June 17, 2011, 09:46:00 AM
Awesome Allan, I am enroute to Montreal for a bear hunt for the next week, but I will look forward to reading about your  adventure Down Under!
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Post by: LimBender on June 17, 2011, 10:12:00 AM
You can't just leave us with pics of guys in hats in an airport!    :biglaugh:
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Post by: Mudd on June 17, 2011, 10:21:00 AM
:campfire:  

God bless,Mudd  :archer:
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Post by: Over&Under on June 17, 2011, 10:34:00 AM
Very much looking forward to this one Allen...Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on June 17, 2011, 06:35:00 PM
Awesome!!
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Post by: DannyBows on June 17, 2011, 06:40:00 PM
This is gonna be awesome!   :coffee:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 18, 2011, 12:55:00 AM
When we arrived in Los Angeles I had time to put in my last bids in the St. Jude auction, and then we boarded the plane to Sydney for a 15+ hour flight. By the time we got to Sydney it was June 2 following a May 31 departure in Oklahoma City. Crossing that International Date Line can really start playing with your body clock. After a several hour layover in Sydney we flew to Darwin which is located on the Northern coast of Australia about halfway between the east and west coasts. We got to our hotel, ate dinner and crashed for the night. The next morning we got up and went down for breakfast. Being in the southern hemisphere, it is the beginning of winter in Australia, but Darwin is at the far north and much closer to the equator. As a result, the temperatures we encountered were very close to those we had just left behind in Oklahoma. The tropical atmosphere felt a lot like south Florida and looked like it too. Here we are eating breakfast at the hotel.

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We headed back to the airport and boarded an Embraer jet that held over 100 passengers, but there were only SIX passengers on the flight, along with four crew members! An hour and a half later we landed on an airstrip in the middle of nowhere at the McArthur River mine airport. The only thing around was the mine and the mining camp.

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Fortunately Andy Ivy and Mick Baker were there to pick us up. I had talked to and corresponded with Andy for years and had corresponded with Mick concerning the hunt, but it was great to finally meet them in person. I can say that all my high expectations for both of them were fully met -- and then some. We couldn't have asked for a better couple of guys to be guiding us for the next week.

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We loaded our gear into the Landcruiser and headed off for our hunting camp. The last bit of civilization before getting fully into the outback was a sort of convenience store where I got my first taste of the Northern Territory official non-alcoholic drink -- iced coffee -- which is sort of a coffee flavored milk drink. Outside the store was parked an R44 Robinson helicopter that was available for charter. We tucked this into the back of our minds in case something happened and we needed a search and rescue flight.

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With some cold drinks in hand we drove off to the camp that would be our home for the next week.

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: slivrslingr on June 18, 2011, 02:49:00 AM
:campfire:    :coffee:
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on June 18, 2011, 02:56:00 AM
:thumbsup:
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Post by: piggy on June 18, 2011, 04:35:00 AM
You didn't say if you liked the Iced Coffee Drink?
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Post by: LarryWalling on June 18, 2011, 06:27:00 AM
can't wait for the rest!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Night Wing on June 18, 2011, 06:55:00 AM
Great photos. I'm also going to be following this thread.
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Post by: Jwilliam on June 18, 2011, 08:02:00 AM
Looking good so far  :campfire:  


Bill
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Post by: Dry Creek on June 18, 2011, 08:20:00 AM
Man this is getting good!!   :campfire:
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Post by: RC on June 18, 2011, 09:07:00 AM
Looking forward to the rest of this. RC
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 18, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
:campfire:
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Post by: tarponnut on June 18, 2011, 10:18:00 AM
Very cool, can't wait for the rest!
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Post by: kadbow on June 18, 2011, 10:29:00 AM
What an adventure!
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Post by: RC on June 18, 2011, 09:59:00 PM
lets get cooking....
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Post by: South MS Bowhunter on June 18, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
Tick toc, tick toc   :campfire:
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Post by: bwana on June 18, 2011, 11:11:00 PM
:coffee:
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Post by: rastaman on June 19, 2011, 12:50:00 AM
:campfire:
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Post by: GRINCH on June 19, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
:readit:
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Post by: Oregon Okie on June 19, 2011, 01:05:00 AM
waiting is the hardest part...
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 19, 2011, 02:37:00 AM
I got some of the next few pictures from Andy. He and Mick had driven over 20 hours from Mick's home near the east coast, traveling in two of Mick's vehicles pulling trailers and carrying in everything for the next 6 weeks of hunting with six groups of hunters. Here are the pictures of the vehicles on the long road to the camp.

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After the long trip to the outback, they finally arrived at the spot by the creek where they unloaded the equipment and set up camp.

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The camp was fairly spartan, but still very comfortable with everything we needed, and then some. There was the cooking and eating area that had tables, stoves, electric refrigerators and freezer, a sink, running water from the creek, a campfire, a water heater, and everything else to cook, feed, prepare shower water, and generally make us comfortable when we were up and about. The cooking area and part of the lounging area were covered with overhead tarps to shade us from the sun and heat of the day and retain some heat during the evening by the fire. One of the vehicles was used as the pantry for food and supplies that we used, while the other one was used to travel to hunting areas with the four of us together or to transport two of us while the other two rode to less accessible areas on a four wheel drive 4-wheeler.

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Doug and I were under a 10'x10' canopy sleeping on comfortable cots with mosquito netting while Andy and Mick slept on cots with integrated netting/covers. We had a nice bedside table for our things and tables on a tarp directly outside our tent for sitting and preparing our equipment. Our canopy was set up on the tarp that is on the ground just this side of where the 4-wheeler is sitting in the picture. Down the creek about 30 yards was the latrine and in the opposite direction some 50 yards away was the outdoor shower that consisted of a canvas bucket suspended from a tree with a rope that had a shower head and a hand valve. Hot water from the water heater over the camp fire would be flowed into a 5 gallon bucket and mixed with cool water to fill the shower bucket and give us all a welcome cleansing at the end of every day. It was a very comfortable and functional camp to spend a week in. Mick and Andy were the cooks, dishwashers, fire builders, skinners, and jacks of all trades in the camp. These are two very efficient, hard-working, resourceful men. I already felt like I knew Andy to a fair extent, and Doug and I were very happy to get to know him and Mick well over the course of living and hunting with them every day for a week.

Doug and I were very pleased when we arrived at the camp and saw how nicely it was set up. We unloaded our gear, set up our bows, and headed down to a dry creek bed to shoot some arrows with Andy and Mick. Here is a picture of Doug dressed in his Kuiu Merino shirt and Attack pants shooting some practice arrows.

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Andy, like me, loves his Shrew bow. I was very afraid he was not going to let me take my 60" 68#@29.5" Super Shrew Samurai "Buffalo Bow" home with me after the hunt. You can see that on the very first day I met him, he already had my bow in his hands and was coveting it. He shot it several times over the course of the week and was very proficient and accurate with it, including picking it up one day, taking a shot from 40 meters, and hitting one inch from the center of the 3 inch bullseye!     :eek:    

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Andy is an excellent shot, and when he gets the money together, he is going to buy a bow almost identical to mine, but probably with a few improvements that I have discussed with Gregg Coffey for another "Buffalo Bow" that will soon be built for Doug now that Doug's name has come up on the order list for his second Shrew. On this trip Doug used a vintage Brackenbury Drifter that I gave him that is 64" 74#@30.5". It is a very nice bow, but was much heavier and bulkier than my Shrew "Buffalo Bow" and did not shoot the arrows any faster. My bow quickly became the camp favorite.

The Kuiu clothing is incredible, but it was designed for mountain hunting, not the tropical hunting we were doing in the Northern Territory of Australia. Jason Hairston, the founder and owner of Kuiu, is very responsive to the needs of his customers and has said that in the future he plans to produce a line of hot weather hunting clothing that would be much more suitable for this kind of hunting where temperatures reached 90 degrees during the day and nighttime temperatures were mild enough to barely require more than a light jacket or sweatshirt. The Vias camo pattern worked well in this environment, but Jason is also in the process of developing a green camo pattern that would probably have worked even better. Also, Jason plans on producing a short billed cap for archers. I really like my Vias camo Kuiu cap, but it has a longer bill that obstructs my shooting, so I used a short billed cap for all my hunting. For some reason Doug's draw does not create a conflict with his Kuiu cap, so he wore it exclusively and really liked it for his hunting. After a week in the bush, Doug's cap looked like a duller, browner version of my more pristine Kuiu cap. Some of my later pictures from the first day of hunting will show Doug wearing his Kuiu Merino shirt and Attack pants, but he opted to wear cooler clothing for the rest of the trip after the first day. This is nothing negative about the Kuiu clothing. It is the best in the world for its intended purposes, but some different purpose built clothing are needed to make Kuiu ideal for tropical bow hunting: a cool, light, synthetic, short-billed cap like the one I wore from another manufacturer; a cool, lightweight, long-sleeved (with roll-up, tabbed sleeves), synthetic, tough, two pocket (with fastening flaps), collared shirt; and Attack shorts. Two sets of shirts and shorts like those along with two pairs of Merino or synthetic boxer undershorts, three pairs of Merino or Coolmax socks, a lightweight jacket or sweatshirt, some safari gaiters, and a good pair of very lightweight boots would be all that was needed to wear for the hunt. We used a bucket with soap and water to wash clothes out on a daily basis. Of course, we needed about 3 sets of clothing for travel days where we had to be a little more presentable.


Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: cacciatore on June 19, 2011, 09:40:00 AM
Allan,this is great stuff! Keep it coming I can't wait to see some hero pics.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 19, 2011, 10:01:00 AM
Felix,

You are assuming that something was taken.    :rolleyes:  Sorry, but you will have to wait to see if that happened.   :readit:

Allan
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Post by: maineac on June 19, 2011, 10:30:00 AM
Such the tease Allan.  Looking forward to the rest of the story.
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Post by: steadman on June 19, 2011, 11:46:00 AM
Great story guys  :thumbsup:
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Post by: LimBender on June 19, 2011, 03:58:00 PM
Now you're talkin!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 19, 2011, 05:50:00 PM
The first evening in camp we organized all our equipment for the first day of hunting, ate a good dinner, and went to bed dreaming about the excitement that would start the following morning. A little about some of my equipment. I talked about my Shrew Buffalo Bow. Gregg had built it for me two years ago for a cape buffalo hunt in Zimbabwe. The bow was great on that trip, but I never got the opportunity for a shot at a buffalo. Here in Oz was my chance to redeem myself and the bow and put both of us to the test. I usually shoot 50 to 55 pound bows, so I typically do not work out with the heavier weight bows unless I am going to be hunting large animals like buffalo. I spent that last couple of months before the flight to Oz working up to the weight of my Buffalo Bow and then getting strong enough to easily handle it and shoot accurately. I barely made it before it was time to leave, but by the time I got there, I was very comfortable with the bow. I was shooting AD Hammerhead arrows that have 100 grain brass inserts with 70 grain brass weights screwed into the back of the inserts and aluminum collars over the front of the shaft behind the flange of the insert. At the rear end are 4x4” shield cut feathers over white cap dipping and uni-bushings with g-nocks. The finished arrows weigh 600 grains without points, and they fly very well with points from 145 grains to 315 grains. My bow sported an EFA five arrow quiver with the Totem feature that turns it into a one piece quiver. The quiver was perfect for my five arrows, weighed very little (although the arrows were heavy), and balanced well on the bow. EFA quivers are my favorite. With the heavy arrows and bow quiver, the bow was extremely quiet when shot. I was shooting with a Bateman cordovan tab that was very nice in the hot weather because I could leave it in my pocket most of the time or wear it turned around backwards on my middle finger until I was getting close to making a shot. I also wore a Mike’s Archery Leather armguard that was ventilated and felt fine over the long sleeved camo shirt I was wearing. One thing that is absolutely necessary is a pair of safari gaiters that will cover your socks and the tops of your lightweight boots to keep out grass seeds, pebbles, dirt and other debris that will otherwise get into your socks and boots and make walking very uncomfortable. I wore a pair of the standard gaiters from TexasHuntCo that do not work as well because they are too narrow at the bottom, but I had a pair specially made by TexasHuntCo that I gave to Doug that fits much better. If anyone wants to order a pair, ask for the version I designed. I wish one of our TradGang sponsors would start making and selling well made safari gaiters.

The first day of the hunt was June 4, and we woke up to a light breakfast and then headed out in the Landcruiser with our gear. After driving to the area where we would be hunting, Andy and I got out and had walked about a mile when he spotted a big buffalo a couple hundred yards away back in some scattered trees. Unfortunately, the buffalo had seen us too and was staring at us as we got out our binoculars to study him. He looked really good – probably well into the 90s. When it appeared that he was going to keep watching us, Andy suggested we back off and try to go around the side and make a stalk with the wind in our favor and from a direction where he would not be expecting us. We headed off directly away from him and then started circling. The wind direction keep changing as Andy used his wind indicator ash bottle to keep squirting puffs of powder to test the wind. Eventually we got to a more heavily wooded area and saw a herd of buffalo crossing right to left in front of us. We tried to circle ahead of them, but never saw them again. Andy finally determined that we were going to bust up the animals, and we decided to exercise the better part of valor and back out of the fray.

As we hiked on to search out other animals, Andy spotted a boar feeding far off to our left and a little ahead of us. He tested the wind and decided we needed to keep going forward and circle to our left so we could come back on the downwind side of the boar as it fed towards us. It sounded like a good idea to me, so off we went. After our long circle we found ourselves approaching the boar as he fed towards us with his head often buried in the grass as he ate. Whenever the boar’s head was down, we were creeping slowly towards him, but as soon as he looked up we froze. At about 40 yards, Andy motioned for me to come around him, and as I came alongside him he told me to move forward slowly and see if I could get in position to shoot. Moving at a snail’s pace and stopping whenever the boar was not eating with his head down, I approached to within 20 yards. The area between me and the boar was wide open with nothing hiding me. I thought the rapid, hard beating of my heart might alert him, but it couldn’t be heard except by me. For a few seconds I paused to collect myself and calm my excitement, then I raised my bow and drew an arrow. I later found out that Andy photographed my final stalk and the moment I reached full draw and established a firm anchor. Here is the series of photos. You can see that the boar swapped ends. He was faced left when I started the stalk and ended up facing right by the time I drew the arrow. Just look for the tail.

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Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Over&Under on June 19, 2011, 07:09:00 PM
I have a feeling the shot was right on the money!

Let's hear the rest, this is getting good!!!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Green on June 19, 2011, 07:18:00 PM
This is moving along really well and with great detail.  So far so good......now let's hear what unfolds with your sneak on this boar.
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Post by: maineac on June 19, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
Edge of my seat!
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Post by: Jwilliam on June 19, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Great Stuff Allan !!!  :thumbsup:  


Bill
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Post by: excelpoint on June 19, 2011, 10:40:00 PM
Lovin it so far.    :campfire:
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Post by: azhunter on June 19, 2011, 11:45:00 PM
More please.   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 19, 2011, 11:50:00 PM
It wasn't the perfect first shot, but the boar was hit hard by my arrow and took off with a grunt. The boar was having a tough time moving; however, he was a tough old guy who wasn't going to just lay down and die, especially since he was now full of adrenaline. Andy and I followed slowly behind as the boar would lie down, only to charge us and then take off again when we would get within about 10 yards. I kept sticking arrows in him from various directions, but he still kept charging and then slowly going on as we would come close to him time after time. I finally only had two arrows left, one in my quiver and my practice arrow sticking out of the back of Andy's pack. Andy decided he was going to try to pull one of the arrows out of the boar so I could shoot it again. He took off his pack and leaned it against a nearby tree. He then approached the boar and reached for an arrow. The boar charged us from very close range as we ran back as fast as possible a few yards. When the boar reached the tree where Andy's pack was sitting he grabbed the pack in his mouth and apparently recognized the arrow as one of the objects that was sticking out of him and causing him pain. So, the boar bit the arrow and broke it in half! I couldn't believe it. Three of my arrows had already been broken as the boar ran past trees or rolled on the ground to break them off. Now he had broken a fourth arrow in Andy's pack and bled all over the side of the pack. I really gave Andy a lot of grief about having the boar break the arrow that had been on the pack on his back! I started getting concerned that after losing four arrows on my first morning I would run out of my two dozen arrows before the hunt ended.

Finally the boar decided he couldn't do anything but lie in one place and try to keep breathing. I could hear the air coming out of various holes in his body. Apparently, so could a young buffalo in the area, because as he was walking nearby he came over to investigate what was happening. When he got to about 15 yards, Andy stood up and said something like, "That's close enough!" Even then, the buff took a couple more steps and looked carefully to see what was going on. I snapped some pictures of the boar in the foreground with the buffalo in the background less than 15 yards away before the buff decided he had seen enough and left us alone. If you look carefully, you may be able to see at least three arrows sticking in the boar (look for the orange fletching), but there was another one that was broken off in him. The tree that Andy leaned the pack against is on the left side of the boar, and he is lying it its shade.

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The boar was still alive at this point, although he was not going anywhere, so Andy took off to find Doug and Mick who had been called on the radio and were headed our way. When Mick arrived he took over. Mick, like some other Aussies I met, is a little bit crazy. He decided he needed to take the Stic knife (made by Frank Scukanec) that I had given to Andy when I arrived and plunge it into the boar's heart, so he started grabbing the hind legs of the beast and pulling on them to straighten the boar out. The animal had enough strength left to spin around and try to bite through Mick's leg before Mick could hop out of the way. Undeterred, Mick went back at it and managed to get another leg, stretch out the boar and stick the knife deep behind the right front leg. Meanwhile, Andy pulled one of my arrows out of the boar and handed it to me. Using it as a spear, I stabbed it repeatedly into the hole Mick had created until I had shredded the boar's heart. He finally gave up the ghost! I have rarely seen an animal that was more tenacious of life. Finally he was ready for the "hero picture", so here it is, along with some of the arrows (or arrow pieces) that were much the worse for the battle. It was a good start on the first morning of the hunt.

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Allan
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Post by: gregg dudley on June 20, 2011, 12:25:00 AM
Quite the adventure, alllen! I envy you the trip to oz, but even more so the chance to hunt with Andy.  I look forward to hearing more.
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Post by: amar911 on June 20, 2011, 01:16:00 AM
It was fun, Gregg. Andy is a great young man. There is much more to tell, but I am slow. Thanks to everyone who is encouraging me to continue to tell about the hunt.

Allan
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Post by: Ray_G on June 20, 2011, 01:40:00 AM
Wow, Allan!  What an opening act - I am eager to hear and see how the rest plays out.    :scared:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: GRINCH on June 20, 2011, 01:47:00 AM
:campfire:
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on June 20, 2011, 02:07:00 AM
Sounds like a lot of excitement and fun so far.
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Post by: piggy on June 20, 2011, 02:21:00 AM
Great read Allan, what broadheads were you using?
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Post by: Larry Surtees on June 20, 2011, 02:38:00 AM
Can't wait for more Allan.  Congrats!!!!!
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Post by: LONGSTYKES on June 20, 2011, 09:02:00 AM
Allan, Great story. Nice pig, waiting for more.
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Post by: Sharptop on June 20, 2011, 01:08:00 PM
Monster hog! Thanks for taking us along.
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Post by: hunt it on June 20, 2011, 01:11:00 PM
Im lovin this one Allan! Fantastic pictures, I'm headed back next year to the exact same spot so I've been waiting for this one. Guy can't have more fun than hunting with Mic and Andy - your right about Mic being crazy - wrong on the little bit part! We nick named him Mad Max.
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Post by: BUFF on June 20, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
good stuff... keep it coming
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Post by: OBXarcher on June 20, 2011, 04:14:00 PM
good hunting !!!

Let hear more
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Post by: Zenzele on June 20, 2011, 05:25:00 PM
OH yes!! Lets hear some more!!
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Post by: amar911 on June 20, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
After the boar we spend the rest of the day looking for more animals, but we were not able to get close to anything else. At the end of the day we got back to camp and did some more target shooting. Eventually, Doug and Mick returned and we got showers, ate dinner, chatted about the hunting, and went to bed. The following morning we headed off again while Doug and Mick went off on the 4-wheeler. Our morning was spent walking a lot but not getting close to any animals. Everyone met back at the camp for lunch, then we went fishing.

The fishing hole was something very special. It is fed by a waterfall and then goes into a deep gorge that is over a hundred feet deep. That was one beautiful place! We caught a variety of fish, but the main one was the barramundi. Mick and Andy had hauled in a small boat with a trolling motor that worked very well on the small body of water. The little lake had many fish and a fair number of saltwater crocodiles. We saw one that was about 9 feet long and had one about that long swim directly towards the side of the boat, only to submerge about 4 feet away and swim under us. The best fishing was at the waterfall where bait fish were obviously coming down the falls and were being eaten by the barramundi below. Here are some of the fishing pictures taken that second day and on two other days during the hunt. That wasn't my biggest fish of the trip, but I think the first one Andy has in his hands in the first picture was his biggest.

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On a humorous note, the last time we went fishing I was getting ready to cast using a bait casting rod and reel -- the best fishing rig that Mick owned. I don't know what I caught it on, but when I started to pull the rod up to cast it the lure snagged on something and wrenched the rod out of my hand. After fishing all my life and never having it happen to me before, I watched as the rod, reel, line and lure arched in slow motion, end over end, and splashed into the water a couple of feet from the boat!!! I plunged my arm into the water as the rig sunk just deeper than I could reach. Then I grabbed Andy's rod and tried to stick it down as deep as possible and snare my sinking rod with his lure. But I was completely unsuccessful as my rod, reel, line and lure disappeared into the depths below. I say "my rod, reel, line and lure" because I realized immediately that I had just bought them! We tried jigging for the rod in the deep water, but it was a hopeless effort. Such is life. At least I caught a lot of fish before I through away the fishing rig. I had thought only my arrows would be disposable! I did settle up with Mick at the end of the trip to pay for the replacement of his sunken tackle.

Allan
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Post by: steadman on June 21, 2011, 12:32:00 AM
Great story Allan, looks like a great hunt. Great boar, now keep it going  :thumbsup:
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Post by: amar911 on June 21, 2011, 01:18:00 AM
What makes you think there is anything more to tell, Ryan?    :saywhat:    ;)  

Allan
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Post by: piggy on June 21, 2011, 01:50:00 AM
OH we know there is more  :)
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on June 21, 2011, 05:10:00 AM
Flamin' nice pig, and wicked photos!
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Post by: straitera on June 21, 2011, 10:57:00 AM
Count on folks like you to let me experience some great hunts through your stories. Excellent job! The trip sounds perfect fishing & hunting some tremendous animals as well as accommodations. Tasty fish? Already know you BBQ'ed some of that pork. Thanks.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: steadman on June 21, 2011, 11:02:00 AM
I figure you were there for more than 2 days  :)  and you still have at least 19 arrows left  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 21, 2011, 11:34:00 AM
Well, maybe there is a little more I could tell.    :dunno:  I have to work all day, but I will try to find something more to talk about tonight.

Allan
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Post by: Nakohe on June 21, 2011, 11:57:00 AM
Great photos and story Allan. Looks like it was an outstanding trip and hunt. Thanks for sharing.

Donald
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Post by: on June 21, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Oh man, you are getting me excited. I just bought a hunt with Mick for 2012 and I can't wait to get over there now. Keep the story rolling. We are waiting for the "good stuff". You said you were using a Buffalo Bow so i am assuming there were arrows slung at Buffalos too. Great story so far. Let's hear the rest.

Bisch
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Post by: Hawkeye on June 21, 2011, 01:41:00 PM
Great stuff, Allan!  I look forward to hearing a little more... if there is anything... of course!
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Post by: razorsharptokill on June 21, 2011, 05:11:00 PM
Looks like a world class adventure!
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 21, 2011, 09:40:00 PM
;)     :campfire:
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Post by: The Vanilla Gorilla on June 21, 2011, 10:40:00 PM
I've been tuning into this every night like Sanford and Son reruns!!  

Can't wait for tonites episode of Allan Goes To Australia!!
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Post by: Big Ed on June 22, 2011, 07:35:00 AM
Great read! Keep it coming
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Post by: wislnwings on June 22, 2011, 08:03:00 AM
This is good stuff.
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Post by: FerretWYO on June 22, 2011, 10:32:00 AM
Awesome story and great pics.
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Post by: hunt it on June 22, 2011, 12:00:00 PM
Trad Gang rule 789, subsection 6 - one cannot take longer than trip to tell story  :readit:  

Come on Allan I wanna know how many arras you came home with. Let me re word that as I'm sure it was 0 (Andy will have talked you out of any you had left) how many got bloody?
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Post by: Ron LaClair on June 22, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
:biglaugh:
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Post by: FerretWYO on June 22, 2011, 12:34:00 PM
I Bet you had trouble just coming home with you bow the way Andy knows the shrew bows.
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Post by: cacciatore on June 22, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
Nice looking fishes those Barramundi!
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Post by: xtrema312 on June 22, 2011, 09:47:00 PM
:campfire:
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Post by: Friend on June 22, 2011, 10:26:00 PM
A marvelous adventure which dreams are made of.
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Post by: Oregon Okie on June 23, 2011, 01:31:00 AM
I think Allen went back    :cool:
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Post by: amar911 on June 23, 2011, 03:15:00 AM
The third day of the hunt we woke up ready to go. After traveling half way around the world and having my nights feel like days, I had been having trouble sleeping soundly, but spending my last couple of days walking for many miles in the heat (up to about 90 degrees) had worn me out and helped me sleep better. I felt like it was going to be a good day. Mick and Andy decided that all four of us should drive in the Landcruiser back to where Andy and I had seen the big buffalo bull the first day, and Mick and Doug would drop us off while they went on to another location.

When we got almost to the area where we had seen the bull the first day, Andy spotted a nice one off in the opposite direction from where the first one had been. We decided to put together a stalk and see how good this one really was. As always, it was vital to make sure the wind was in our favor, so Andy got out his powder puffer and tested the wind direction. We circled down wind and began our approach. This was a sly old bull and kept us on our toes by doubling back on his trail and nearly catching us off guard. We had to back out quickly before he spotted us. He also moved from one side to another and all around, clearing the area of any potential danger as he fed. Meanwhile, Andy and I were scurrying around, testing the wind and trying to stay out of sight. Finally, the bull started walking away from us toward an open area. Andy and I picked up the pace and quickly moved directly at him, but only when he was walking and facing away from us. When the bull would stop or look back, we would immediately freeze. It looked like he was going to cross a large, burned-off, clear area and go into the trees and grass on the other side before we could get to him. Instead, he slowed down as he came to one of the few remaining trees in the open area and seemed to be ready to bed down. If he bedded facing away from us, we would have a long 250 to 300 yard stalk across the open space to get close enough for a shot. If he bedded facing left, right, or back towards us, then we probably would never be able to stalk up on him before he saw us and took off for parts unknown.

We had now been watching the bull for well over an hour, and we were fairly convinced he was the same large bull we had seen the morning of the first day. Andy told me that there were not many bulls of that size that had been spotted on their hunting concession before, and this bull was only a short distance from where we had seen the bull on the first morning. All that led us to the conclusion that we had found the same bull, not his seemingly identical twin.

We sat behind a tree almost 300 yards away from the bull as we watched him start to settle in for a nap and chew his cud. At first we thought he would lie down at a quartering angle that would be bad for a stalk, but he cooperated by putting his head directly into the wind, facing away from us. We surmised that he thought he had thoroughly explored the entire area we were coming from and had cleared it of any danger, so now he would want to lie facing into the wind in the direction he had not been in order to be aware of any threat that he might not have known about.

Regardless of the reason, the bull lay down under a tree almost 300 yards away, upwind from us, facing the other direction. Andy and I were happy about it as we planned our stalk over totally flat and open terrain. Andy suggested that we would have to remove our shoes and socks and leave them and every extra item we had beside the tree we had been hiding behind. I agreed and dutifully became barefoot and empty handed, other than my bow and arrows and shooting tab. We started the long, slow, quiet stalk across the black, charred remains of clump grass that dotted the otherwise bare earth. Andy led the way as we moved directly toward a single, small tree that stood about 20 yards from the bull and slightly to our right. I was told we would go towards the tree, and when we were 10 yards from it I was to pass Andy and make the final approach for the shot, much like I had done with my boar.

It seemed like forever that we crept towards the bull, and then we were 30 yards away with Andy motioning for me to take the lead. I walked so slowly now that I hardly felt I was making any progress, but finally I was close to the tree. I made signs with my hands to find out whether Andy wanted me to be on the left side of the tree where the angle of the shot would be more from the rear or to be on the right side of the tree where the shot angle would be better but we were more likely to get busted by the bull. He pointed to the left side, so I slowly closed the distance to what I later measured as 17 yards.

I positioned my feet as closely as possible to where they typically are when I shoot targets in my back yard and pretended I was taking another shot at a very big black target. I then held my body as straight as possible and took several deep breaths to calm the immense excitement that I felt, all the while looking up at the sky over trees to the right of me some distance away. It is the same relaxation routine I use when shooting at targets, and it was working for me. I turned my attention back to the bull that was slightly curled with his tail to the left and his body tilted and arched to the right like a banana lying on the ground with the stem on the left and the main part first curving to the right and continuing to curve back left again. Except that the other end of this big, black "banana" had huge horns and a nose that was facing directly away from me. I picked the shot vector that would cause my arrow to enter his right rear ribs and range up into the lung area, then I set myself to draw. As I drew back on the string, my 68 pound bow felt like it was only 40 pounds, and I easily pulled the nock of the arrow two inches beyond my anchor point before I even realized it. I had to let my right hand slide forward and find the dual anchors of my index finger in the corner of my mouth touching my upper right canine, and the first joint of my cocked right thumb sitting against the lower back corner of my jaw bone. I held my solid anchor for two to three seconds and felt my body fully expand and stabilize before releasing the arrow. As if in slow motion the arrow came off the string and headed for the unsuspecting buffalo.

The broadhead hit exactly where I intended to place it, and the arrow appeared to penetrate fairly well. I had been worried about the shot angle and the heavy ribs that would have to be bypassed to reach the vitals. The surprised bull jumped to his feet, looked at Andy and me, and quickly moved off about 50 yards away, immediately turning to face us. I had pulled a second arrow and nocked it, but there was no point in trying to shoot it at that angle and distance. There was frothy blood coming from the hole where the arrow was sticking. The bull did not seem inclined to challenge us, but he was not running away either. He seemed to be unsure of what we were or why he felt so sick. He moved off another 20 yards and again turned to face us. After a few seconds longer he decided it was time to depart, and rather than heading towards cover, he began moving across open terrain where we could keep him in sight. We did not change position so as to keep from alarming him. With blood coming from his side and his mouth, he headed across the field and down into a distant creek bed. He did not come up the other side. After waiting for some time for him to die, we eventually walked over toward him and could see that he was lying in a small pool of water in a mostly dry creek bed where he appeared to be dead. As we slowly and quietly closed the distance, we realized he probably really was dead, and we were right.

Although Andy had earlier proclaimed the bull as being in the 90's, he now excitedly exclaimed that it might even score 100 or slightly more, which would be the biggest bull they had ever taken off the property.

I think I may have held everyone off too long. So, here is my big, beautiful (to his mother), Asiatic buffalo bull, as we found him lying in the creek, with Andy squatted beside him, sizing up the horns.

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Notice the frothy lung blood coming from the wound, clearly showing penetration into the right lung and profuse internal bleeding at the top of the lung.

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One more picture to leave you with tonight. There will be more pics tomorrow when I have more time to post. This is after Mick and Doug were radioed to join us and we pulled the buff out of the creek using the Landcruiser. To say we were all happy and excited, especially me, would be a gross understatement!

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I know some of you are asking, "What did the buffalo score?" That's what I was wondering too at the time, but I had to wait for Mick to get his tape and do the measurements. So now you get to wait. I'm going to bed!      :archer:    

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Dry Creek on June 23, 2011, 05:05:00 AM
Awesome    :clapper:
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Post by: Green on June 23, 2011, 05:20:00 AM
Great story of the day, the stalk, and the success!  Congrats....that's a huge bull, hard earned and well deserved.  Can't wait to hear more.
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Post by: piggy on June 23, 2011, 05:33:00 AM
Nice Bull Allan Well done
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Post by: Sharptop on June 23, 2011, 08:09:00 AM
Great buff, a real beauty. Surprised the lungs are so far back but I saw Fred Eickler on his show shoot one high and pretty far back as he said his guides told him the lungs were back thataway.
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Post by: hunt it on June 23, 2011, 08:29:00 AM
Congrats Allan an amazing trophy and adventure. Dang good shooting as well.    :clapper:      :clapper:
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Post by: cacciatore on June 23, 2011, 08:35:00 AM
Congrats Allan,great bull-clean job too.
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Post by: wapiti792 on June 23, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
OUTSTANDING   :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:  Congrats!
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Post by: Lin Rhea on June 23, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
Great job. Well deserved Allan.
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Post by: Terry Green on June 23, 2011, 09:11:00 AM
Wow.....congrats Sir!!!!

Really cool pics of the hog with the buff in the back ground...

That is a heck of a BUFF you killed also!!!!
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Post by: straitera on June 23, 2011, 09:13:00 AM
Impossible! Very exciting hunt! Thanks much for pix & great story. I'd like to know details of your bow & arrow setup. Very nice looking bow. Great Bull partner! Excellent!
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Post by: steadman on June 23, 2011, 09:54:00 AM
I knew there was more  :)  Congrats on an outstanding animal! WOW!!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Rik on June 23, 2011, 10:06:00 AM
Amar911,

Welcome to the Buffalo Brotherhood Mate!

Nice bull too!
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Post by: buckeye_hunter on June 23, 2011, 10:15:00 AM
Excellent! Congratulations on the buffalo.
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Post by: FerretWYO on June 23, 2011, 11:06:00 AM
Well done sir. Very Well done. Thanks for the story and the pics.
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Post by: Ron LaClair on June 23, 2011, 11:29:00 AM
Congratulations Allan, that is an awesome accomplishment...   :thumbsup:  I have taken the privilege of featuring you and your Buff on the Shrew Home page.

 http://www.shrewbows.com/
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Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 23, 2011, 12:20:00 PM
Great, great story bud!
Congratulations on the adventure.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: jeanpaul3006 on June 23, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
Congrats, fantastic story and pics!!!   :clapper:
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Post by: xtrema312 on June 23, 2011, 02:27:00 PM
Great Story and hunt Allan.  I have been looking forward to it since you left.  Is there more?  Lets hope so.
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Post by: Lost Arra on June 23, 2011, 02:58:00 PM
Allan: I'm surprised they let you shoot the runts of the litter!

Nice job!     :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    

Please elaborate on the earth tone/camo clothing with contrasting royal blue pack. Is that your Thunder pack?    :)  

Having shot your buffalo bow I cannot imagine an arrow not passing thru any living animal. Those are some tough beasts!
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Post by: GO Rogers on June 23, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
:notworthy:
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Post by: Over&Under on June 23, 2011, 03:22:00 PM
You no doubt are very proud of that one, nice Buff!!
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Post by: Doug Campbell on June 23, 2011, 03:25:00 PM
Awesome, congrats again buddy!!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Nakohe on June 23, 2011, 04:52:00 PM
Wow, Congrats on the bull Allan. Great adventure from the looks of it..
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Post by: Benny Nganabbarru on June 23, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
Too deadly!
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Post by: Zenzele on June 23, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
Wow!! Well done a great story and a great hunt!!
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Post by: Sharptop on June 23, 2011, 06:37:00 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ron LaClair:
Congratulations Allan, that is an awesome accomplishment...    :thumbsup:   I have taken the privilege of featuring you and your Buff on the Shrew Home page.

  http://www.shrewbows.com/  
Ron, As much as Allan loves his Shrews I suspect you have made his day!
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Post by: pdk25 on June 23, 2011, 06:42:00 PM
Awesome trophy, Allan! How many inches of penetration did you get? Enough, obviously
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Post by: amar911 on June 23, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
I saw my new "celebrity" status on Ron's website. The Buffalo Bow is an incredible weapon, as all my Shrews are. After shooting it, Doug Burns immediately changed his order with Ron and Gregg to get a bow much like mine instead of the one he had on order. Also, Andy Ivy had me put his name on the order list (he had no way to do that while he is in the outback) so he could get his own Buffalo Bow when his time arrives. There have been a number of innovations that have been made on the Shrew bows over the last couple of years since I had my Buffalo Bow made, and I suggested to Doug and Andy that they ought to let me choose most of the specifications on their bows. Since Doug's bow will be built soon because of his position at the top of the order list, he is going to be the Guinea pig for the testing of the new materials combination that I came up with and Ron and Gregg approved as a likely winner. The problem I will have is that Doug is having the bow shipped to Colorado where he will be spending much of the summer, so I won't get to shoot it for awhile. When I do I will give a full report. The objective is to create a bow of around 70 pounds that will be as smooth and nice to shoot as my Buffalo Bow, will be just as durable in its construction, will look even better, and will launch an arrow as fast as a bow 3 pounds heavier constructed like my bow. In other words, we want to create a bow like my Buffalo Bow that performs just as well as if mine were 73 pounds without any compromises in the great characteristics of my bow. It will definitely cost more to create such a bow, but I am confident that the Shrew masters can make it happen using the materials that I have specified. So far, my Buffalo Bow is the best I know of for the uses I put it to, but I believe it can be better -- by just a little.

The reason for wanting to get a bow like the new Shrew that will be built for Doug is that for guys like Doug and me, a 70 pound bow is near the maximum we can accurately shoot. At 23 years old, Andy is less than half our age of 58, but Doug and I are bigger guys which helps a little at our "advanced" age. Andy's trad bow that he has for buffalo is 75 pounds, is not nearly as smooth as my Shrew, and does not fling an arrow any faster than my bow that is 7 pounds lighter, but with me having an additional inch of draw length over Andy (mine at 29.5" versus Andy's at 28.5"). I could draw and shoot Andy's bow, which was 78 pounds at my draw length, but my ability to hold it at full draw, stabilize, and shoot accurately with it was not adequate for my standards. Besides, my shoulder hurt after shooting it even a half dozen times. Andy would like to shoot a somewhat lighter bow too. My Shrew Buffalo Bow was about the same speed, was far smoother and easier to draw, was far more accurate in the hands of everyone who shot it, was built great, and looked great too. Doug's new Buffalo Bow is probably going to be as good or better in every way as mine, but I want to test it before I reveal the specs I gave Gregg and Ron for it. Expect a review sometime around September or hopefully sooner if I can get it from Doug for evaluation. By the way, Andy also has a gorgeous Shrew Classic Hunter that is 56" 65#@28.5", but is not quite as heavy as he wants to use on buffalo, which is why he is going to get a bow like Doug's if it turns out as expected.

I think my Buffalo Bow is great for hunting buffalo, and I doubt I will "upgrade" it to be like the one Doug ordered unless the performance is enhanced even more than what I think it will be. But if I were ordering my first Buffalo Bow today, I would get one like Doug's.

I want to thank everyone who has commented on my hunt and supported me in telling the story. There is still more to come, although I will tell you that by this point all my expectations for my hunting success had been met and exceeded, so it largely became a matter of seeing how Doug would fare with his hunt. I will be showing more pictures of this big buffalo bull, and will remind you that I still have more than half the hunting time to talk about.

To make sure you have something to look at now, here are a few additional pictures of the buff and my Shrew Buffalo Bow with the EFA quiver and AD Hammerhead arrows. If you want to know what the open, flat area looked like where we stalked and shot the buffalo, just look behind me on the other side of the creek in the pictures where I am sitting on top of the buffalo. We were on the other side of that large, burned-off field.

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Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Guru on June 23, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
My goodness what a beast!  Congrats Allan    :clapper:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 23, 2011, 09:08:00 PM
Pat,

It is hard to tell exactly how much penetration I got. As you know, when a big animal like that starts moving, the arrow is going to start being pushed on by its inside organs and body parts which will make the arrow start to come out of its body. The buff went quite a ways after it was hit, and it was moving and breathing heavily which would tend to force the arrow back out. By the time we got to the buffalo there was still about 12 inches of arrow in him. We did do a little cutting to investigate what the arrow hit and how it moved through the ribs and into the right lung. Here is a picture of the incision we made with the skin peeled back around the entrance wound at the ribs. In the picture, Doug is holding my nice Stic (Sticshooter) knife that is pointing to the spot where the broadhead struck the rib, then moved to the right to enter the space between that rib and the one to the right of it. Unfortunately, Doug was covering the entrance hole with the knife blade when I took the picture, so you will just have to use your imaginations of what a hole looks like.     :rolleyes:    If the bull had not been lying in a curved position that spread out the ribs on his right side, the overlapping rib structure might easily have prevented entry into the chest cavity. The arrow is high and back on the body, but the vector is very much in a downward and forward direction to pierce the top of his right lung and angle downward into it. The arrow almost certainly did not penetrate the left lung, but the right lung would have filled with blood with the only exit hole being at the top.

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This next picture shows the thickness of the skin on the back of the neck of the buffalo. For reference, the blade length of the pretty little Stic knife I gave to Andy is slightly over three inches.

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I would have liked to have done a complete autopsy, but the amount of work that would have involved was not appealing to any of us.     "[dntthnk]"    

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Jeff D. Holchin on June 23, 2011, 09:58:00 PM
Amazing adventure, well told with great photos and excellent information.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Ron LaClair on June 23, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
WOW!..Allan, this picture really shows the massive size of those horns. Just imagine all the tip overlays Gregg could get out of those.   :eek:

   :biglaugh:

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Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: HARL on June 23, 2011, 10:29:00 PM
Great Stuff Allan,Congrats !!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Bowhunter4life on June 23, 2011, 11:39:00 PM
Simply awesome Allan!  Congrats!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: pdk25 on June 23, 2011, 11:49:00 PM
Wow, that is some thick hide. We are gonna have to get together for some shooting, Allan. I'd love to see your shrew
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: slivrslingr on June 24, 2011, 04:25:00 AM
Friggen AWESOME!  Congratulations!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: doug77 on June 24, 2011, 09:45:00 AM
Congrat on you success
doug77
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: hunt it on June 24, 2011, 01:17:00 PM
Tip overlays!!! Ron, you could file a few string grooves and use those horns for bow, never mind tips. Enough hair between horns for good arra rest! Mind you only Ron could pick that bow up.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: duncan idaho on June 24, 2011, 01:17:00 PM
Allan,
       Great hunt and story..Thank you

What are the specs on your buffalo arrows?
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 24, 2011, 02:04:00 PM
This next part will be mainly in the form of a short photo essay without a lot of explanation. It is mostly just photos of the buffalo, Andy, Mick, and me. One of the trees in the background of the first picture on the other side of the burned field (somewhere above the tip of my upper bow limb) is where the buffalo was lying when I shot him. Please don't ask me which tree it was.

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It may not look like Andy was struggling with the head of that buff, but he wanted us to hurry and get the pictures so he could put it on the Toyota and take it back to camp! You can really get a feel for the mass and length of the horns with the buff's head on Andy's shoulder. It is a very strained smile on his face -- more like a grimace.    :help:    

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 24, 2011, 02:10:00 PM
Bill,

The arrows are 600 grain AD Hammerhead arrows that Paul Mattson of Badger Arrows made up for me with 100 grain brass inserts, 70 grains of screw-in brass weights behind the inserts, an aluminum collar between the insert and the front of the shaft, unibushings with g-nocks at the rear and 4x4" shield cut feathers. With the 315 grain Ashby broadheads from Alaska Bowhunting Supply, the total arrow weight was 915 grains. They fly perfectly, even with 145 grain Ace hex head blunts in place of the broadheads -- just ask Andy!

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: JohnnyWayne on June 24, 2011, 02:35:00 PM
Just read this whole thread, congrats! And thanks for sharing your hunt, very cool  :)
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: cacciatore on June 24, 2011, 02:40:00 PM
Really cool reportage,nice beast I really enjoyed the story and pics.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Terry Green on June 24, 2011, 02:51:00 PM
:campfire:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: BUFF on June 24, 2011, 02:54:00 PM
congrats. Mick and Andy are 2 of my favorite folks
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 24, 2011, 03:27:00 PM
They really think highly of you too, Marty. I didn't wipe out a herd of buffs like you did when you were there!

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: steadman on June 24, 2011, 07:18:00 PM
Anymore Allan?  :)
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 24, 2011, 07:43:00 PM
After taking back the head and horns of the buff to camp, we all had lunch, then Doug and Mick headed off to hunt some more while Andy and I went back to the carcass of the buffalo so I could do some broadhead testing. I ended up shooting an arrow into the buff four times from various angles using the same new ABS Ashby head, but not sharpening it between shots. My first shot was from an angle similar to the one I had shot at when the buff was alive, except on the other side. This time, however, the buff was stretched out straight rather than being curled around as I previously described, so no spaces between the overlapping ribs were open. The first shot center-punched a rib and buried itself deeply into the middle of the rib with the point just coming out the inside surface of the rib, which left the back portion of the broadhead sticking out of the outer surface of the rib. Of course, we had to dissect the skin back to see what had happened at the rib. By moving the broadhead back and forth in the direction of the cutting portion of the blades, we where able to pull it out. The tip of the broadhead was slightly chipped but repairable, and overall the broadhead looked pretty good, although it was not nearly as sharp. The second shot was from the side directly though the scapula. The broadhead had no trouble penetrating the scapula, but it was stopped by the ribs on the inside. Remember, this is a slightly damaged, dulled broadhead. The third shot was from the same side as the shot on the live buff and at a somewhat shallower angle, with a result similar to the first shot of the four shot test series. The rib was fully pierced by the point, and the broadhead was buried deep in the bone, but it did not cut fully through the ribcage to enter the vitals. Again, we were able to pull the broadhead out of the rib but rocking it and pulling with substantial force. Finally, on the fourth shot, we decided to use the "perfect" shot of placing the arrow into the meat on the rear portion of the shoulder while shooting directly from a broadside position. Even with a dulled and chipped broadhead that had been shot into bone three times without sharpening, the arrow drove into the buffalo and traveled through both lungs. I think if the broadhead had been sharp and undamaged, it would have gone through the other side, but the arrow probably would have stayed partially inside the buffalo. What this testing showed us was that shooting a big buffalo like that from any angle other than broadside and shooting it anywhere other than the meat at the rear of the shoulder could easily result in a failure of the arrow to cut into the vitals and inflict a fatal wound. That testing guided all of us in future stalks. An almost ideal placement for the shot would be where the tip of the horn is over the shoulder in this picture, or maybe slightly forward of that spot.

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Our testing took us the rest of the afternoon, then we headed back to camp to wait for Mick and Doug.

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 24, 2011, 08:01:00 PM
Over the next couple of days, Andy and I made several more stalks, some of which got us within less than 15 yards of other buffalo bulls, but the bulls were either facing directly towards us or going the opposite way when they were that close. It is a real rush to be 40 feet from an animal that big that is coming straight at me while I was armed only with a bow and arrow. Andy did have a big gun with him, but I'm not convinced it would have stopped a big bull at that distance if he had wanted to get to us. Unfortunately, it was hard to be hunting under those circumstances and taking pictures, so I can't show you the excitement of that situation. But believe me, it is VERY exciting to have almost a ton of animal coming at you such that you have to stand up and start talking to it to keep it from coming any closer without provoking a charge.

Here are a few pictures of us as we were walking around looking for buffs or hunkering down to avoid them seeing us. There was lots of water in the area (like you see in the first picture) which kept the animals fairly spread out. We seemed to blend into the surroundings pretty well.

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Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 24, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
Andy was able to film one of our stalks on a buffalo. This buffalo was smaller than I probably was going to be willing to shoot, but I thought it would be fun to go through the motions, as long as I didn't have to take off my shoes and socks like I did with the big buff. In the first picture, you can see the buffalo behind a tree some distance away. I started my stalk and was moving slowly and keeping the tree between his head and me.

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The ground and grass here were hard, fairly dry and crunchy, so I moved very slowly and as quietly as I could with my somewhat noisy boots. Next time I go over there, I am going to take along a pair of moccasins that I can carry with me and change into for the final stalks. Unlike Mick, whose feet look like those of the Aborigines and are tough as leather, my feet are soft and tender and do not fare well in this terrain. The moccasins would have been perfect. But at a distance, with the wind on our faces, the buff did not hear or smell me as I moved forward. As a point of reference, the tree between me and the buffalo is about 18 yards away from him, which would put me in a good spot to wait before trying to move to his broadside for a shot.

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At 40 yards I nocked an arrow, just in case I decided to shoot him if I got the chance. I knew I would likely be heard by him with the noise my boots were making as I gingerly took one step after another.

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Here I have made it to around 22 yards, and I am starting to think that the little bull's hearing is not too good since he hasn't busted me.

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If I had gone barefoot, I think I could have made it into a good position to have easily shot this smaller animal, but at about 20 yards, he heard the noise of my boots crunching on the rocks, dirt and dry grass. I drew my bow as he spooked, but he didn't hesitate in getting far away from me, raising a cloud of dust as I watched him over the top of my drawn arrow, with nothing but a big rear end to shoot at. Wow, that was fun!   :thumbsup:

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Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: stik&string on June 24, 2011, 10:11:00 PM
Thanks for sharing with us. Congrats!!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 25, 2011, 12:19:00 AM
While I was out hunting, so was Doug. He had some amazing stalks and was practically sleeping with several buffaloes at times, but he had the common problem of always having them facing him or facing directly away from him where he had no reasonable shot. He had one buff that almost trampled him as he was hidden in the grass and Mick was 40 yards away with the rifle wondering whether he should shoot the buff to keep in from potentially killing Doug. There were a couple of times when Doug could have taken a shot similar to the one I made, but after my test shots, he was particularly sensitive to the risks involved in his arrows failing to adequately penetrate to the vitals. We did not see many wild boars, and Doug never had one in a position to stalk while he and Mick were hunting. Despite never shooting an animal while hunting with Mick, Doug got very close on many occasions and had a great time. In fact, he and I plan to go back in two years. I haven't been able to get copies of Doug's pictures, so when I do I may post some of them.

Andy and I wrapped up the hunt with me feeling extremely satisfied with my experiences. We hunted to the last light of the last day, but despite some close calls like Doug had experienced throughout the week, we were not able to get a second buffalo. Here is a picture I took of Andy after we had just walked many miles, only to have some buffaloes pass across the top of the cut bank in the background where we had just been a couple of minutes before.

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The week of hunting with Andy closed with me glassing for buffalo from the escarpment that overlooked the long valley where I had taken my buffalo more than three days earlier.

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When we got back to camp, I was able to take my last look at the skull and horns of my buffalo that hung above the one Andy had taken earlier with his bow. There is a big difference between his buffalo that scores 85 and mine that was finally confirmed by Mick as being exactly 100 inches. We measured it first in the field and then later on multiple occasions after it had been caped and boiled, and all of the measurements were the same. I was literally a happy camper.

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Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: The Vanilla Gorilla on June 25, 2011, 01:10:00 AM
Outstanding Allan!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: GRINCH on June 25, 2011, 01:15:00 AM
Great Trophy Allen.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 25, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
On two occasions Andy and I went to a beautiful swimming hole that is near the old cattle station that used to exist here before the Australian government bought the land and gave it back to the aboriginal people. There are geothermal springs that feed the waterfall that tumbles into the swimming hole, and being there is like stepping into paradise. Here are some pictures of the pool that Andy and I visited once in the middle of the week of hunting and then went to again with Mick and Doug the day after the hunt ended when we were on our way back to the airport at the McArthur River mine. Don't be confused by thinking this is the same place as the fishing hole with the crocodiles!!!    :scared:  

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After a swim and sitting in the warm waterfall, the four of us made our way back to the Landcruiser and headed for lunch in town and then on to the airport for our flight back to Darwin. Andy and Mick dropped us off to wait for our plane, and we said our goodbyes and pledged to return in a couple of years (God willing). It had been a great hunt, but it was now over. I had been wildly successful with a nice boar and a huge buffalo, and Doug was happy for the experiences despite not having killed any animals.

The flight back to Darwin was uneventful except for the sweet little 19 year old flight attendant who oozed youth and charm. She reminded me of my daughter 7 years ago when my daughter was 19. We arrived in Darwin, which this time was familiar as we checked in to our hotel where we knew the desk people by name -- David specifically at that point. We checked into our room, lay down exhausted, and fell asleep with thoughts of the hunt still floating in our heads. Dinner time found us awake again, but not for long, as we truly were beat from a lengthy week of exertion and lack of sufficient sleep. We could only imagine how Andy and Mick felt as they started their second of six weeks in the bush with two new hunters for the week.

As we fell asleep again for the night, we closed chapter one of our trip to Oz, but we knew that more action existed starting when we would wake at 4 am for a 5 o'clock pickup in the lobby by our fishing guide. We had to prepare to change gears for the second chapter of our adventure, which ended up being a wonderful surprise. I will start a new thread for part two of our adventure. Thanks for coming along with us on this first chapter. I hope you enjoyed it.

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Wolfkiss on June 25, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
Thanks for posting this thread Alan, been eagerly looking forward to each installment. Great pics and a wonderful adventure.

Congrats on the Buff, and the Boar who didn't want to give up.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: HARL on June 25, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
Allan, this was GREAT !!!! Thanks.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: DannyBows on June 25, 2011, 07:34:00 PM
Amazing adventure Allan! Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Manitoba Stickflinger on June 25, 2011, 08:05:00 PM
Awesome adventure...congrats!!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: chinook907 on June 25, 2011, 11:12:00 PM
Just awesome Allan.  Congrats !
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Jwilliam on June 26, 2011, 06:11:00 PM
Great stuff Allan !!!!  :thumbsup:  I'm very interested to hear about the new Shrew Buffalo Bow in the coming months.


Bill
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: L82HUNT on June 26, 2011, 07:11:00 PM
Very cool, thank you for sharing.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 27, 2011, 12:57:00 AM
Bill,

The new Shrew high poundage, high performance bow is already being built according to the specifications I gave to Gregg and Ron. It looks like the bow is going to be even better than I imagined. The use of the advanced materials is going to make the limbs lighter, stiffer, stronger and better performing, while the bow itself will look as good as any Shrew ever produced -- which means it will be gorgeous. The bow is designed to be able to be built for the heaviest and most potentially dangerous animals that roam the earth and to do so in a relatively light, high performing, modern design reflex/deflex longbow. Because the bow is so well suited to hunting large and dangerous game (depending on the weight that the archer is capable of drawing), it is my understanding the bow may be named the "SHREW SAFARI". Up to a certain weight (around 75 to 80 pounds) the standard 5/8" BowBolt and standard Shrew grip will be available. Above that, the larger diameter 3/4" BowBolt would probably be used, and the grip size would have to be increased somewhat to accommodate it. Of course, the bow could always be purchased as a one piece, but I naturally prefer a two piece for travel.

Even though the Shrew Safari has not been officially announced by Ron, I know the orders are already coming in, so it is going to be a hot new item. I don't know of any other bow like it. This bow is the culmination of several years of using various combinations of natural and advanced building materials in order to utilize them to the maximum benefit. When my Shrew Buffalo Bow was built two years ago, the material choices were very limited. There was a wide variety of veneers to choose from, but the solid phenolic riser and the bamboo cores were pretty much required in order to provide the strength and toughness needed for a BowBolt and for the potential abuses that places like the Outback of Australia or the thick bush of Africa can throw at the bowhunter. Now, with the new materials that have been adopted for use in numerous applications in the Shrew line, additional design options have become available.

No, the Shrew Safari does not have foam cores! I am a huge fan of foam cores and have the first Shrew bow ever built with the foam. It is great for light to moderate weight bows and produces very consistent limbs that are not affected by moisture. In well designed bows, foam cores tend to result in limbs that are smooth and fast. Bamboo is great too and tends to be less subject to damage from abuse, especially in longbow limbs. The bamboo limbs do tend to be heavier, which can result in lower speed with normal weights of arrows in light to moderate weight bows. For heavy draw weight bows shooting very heavy arrows for large game, limbs need to have some mass to move an arrow well. The trouble is that bamboo core limbs can develop too much mass as the draw weight of the bow increases to the point needed to hunt the really big critters. So, how does a bowyer keep the toughness of bamboo and get the limbs lighter and faster while maintaining the draw weight at a level high enough to throw heavy arrows with sharp points at really big and often dangerous animals? That's where the modern materials come into play that the Shrew masters have been using for the last few years. Even in the last 9 months there have been new materials incorporated into some models of Shrews. With all the various materials at hand, it was a matter of designing a bow that would effectively use the best of them to create a state-of-the-art, short, reflex/deflex longbow for the adventurer trad archer to take on safari.

After coming back from Australia, and following discussions there with Andy Ivy about how I thought a better bow could be built for buffalo in Oz and for all the dangerous game in Africa, I started talking with Gregg Coffey about creating an upgraded version of my wonderful Shrew Buffalo Bow. Gregg and I shared our design ideas and came up with a concept. Gregg then took the ideas to Ron who reviewed them and agreed they ought to produce a superior bow. The okay was given on the project. Now the first bow has been glued up and is ready to be worked into the finished product. It already is looking like a winner. In fact, with only rumors circulating, there are already 4 firm orders that have been placed for the Shrew Safari. I won't leak out the secrets at this point, but you can probably expect that the bow will still use the tough-as-nails, tried-and-true bamboo cores that are in my great little Shrew Buffalo Bow. But instead of the thick laminations of only bamboo in the cores, you can imagine multiple laminations of other modern materials that are found in the more exotic Shrew bows that have been built in recent times. Despite the fact that syntactic foam is a wonderful material in the right bows, you won't find any in the Shrew Safari. The advanced materials that will be laminated together with the bamboo in the limbs will allow the limbs to be thinner (belly to back) than the all-bamboo core limbs, but the strength of the limbs will actually be higher. Think in terms of the advantages of plywood, or for a closer comparison, of the advantages that were seen when bows were first developed using fiberglass laminations on the backs and bellies of the limbs versus all-wood self bows. The laminations of modern advanced materials creates another significant leap in performance design. The Shrew Safari limbs will be lighter, faster, just as quiet, tougher and good looking. Okay, that is the theory anyway. The real test will be in the shooting of the bow, but I have no doubt it will be a real winner. Without going into a lot of detail, one thing that has been determined is that with the new materials layup design, all the old rules go out the window. The limbs start producing high draw weights with less material than was expected, meaning that it will be easy to get a high draw weight bow with lighter mass in the limbs and lighter overall mass for the bow. That means a really high draw weight Safari Shrew will weigh about the same or less when carried than my Buffalo Bow, which itself is a delight to carry for mile after mile. Also, the lighter mass and higher modulus limbs will develop higher speeds and cast the arrows faster. My favorite part about that is the ability to shoot a lower draw weight bow and get the same performance of a bow built like my Buffalo Bow that is several pounds of draw weight more. The Shrew Safari bow that is currently being built also has a very nice, smooth draw curve that increases at a steady rate that is even better than anticipated.

I hope I am not jumping the gun for Ron and Gregg on the Shrew Safari bow (or whatever name Ron chooses to call it). I know Ron will make the official announcement to the world if and when he decides the bow is up to his and Gregg's high standards for a Shrew bow. If the bow doesn't live up to those standards, I'm sure it will never officially be introduced. I'm just glad the two of them are so responsive to the needs of their customers, that Ron created the platform from which some of the best hunting bows in the world have been built and can be adapted to new models, and that Gregg has the skill to bring the concepts to reality in the form of new Shrew bows that many of us can use and enjoy.

By the way, I don't get any discounts, free merchandise or other inducements. What I do get is a couple of great guys who will listen to my ideas about what I want and help bring them to life if they seem appropriate. (There are other great bowyers out there who are also very responsive to their customers, and several of them are friends of mine whose bows I own and treasure.) I have been dreaming about this new concept bow for the last year, and once the design was completed with the help of the Shrew guys, the gestation period for the birth of the bow has been pretty short. I am excited, but I already have another Shrew currently being built and unfortunately am down on the list a ways and to get a new Shrew Safari. Fortunately, I order two new Shrews a year, so I am always only about six or eight months out on the waiting list. That is one reason I have more than a dozen Shrews, with one now being built and three more on order. I don't spec out the bows until the last month or so in order to be able to make sure I get the latest and greatest Ron and Gregg have available.

Oh, Bill, don't tell anyone about the Shrew Safari -- it's a secret!   :nono:

Allan

P.S. Ron, if you read this and decide I should have kept my mouth shut, call me and I will edit out this post.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Jwilliam on June 27, 2011, 05:33:00 AM
Allan,
Thanks for the heads up !!!  Ron and Gregg sure do produce some wonderful bows !!!!    :notworthy:   Guess it's a good thing I got right back on the list after receiving my Classic Hunter in March.   :biglaugh:   I'm very curious to hear more about the Safari in the next couple of months.


Bill
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: hunt it on June 27, 2011, 07:36:00 AM
Chapter 2  :campfire:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 27, 2011, 07:50:00 AM
David,

Chapter 2 is coming. I just need more time in every day to get all my work done and also post things here. You will like it, I think. Hint: it was not your everyday "fishing" trip.

Andy and I talked a lot about you while we were there -- and some of it was good!    :bigsmyl:  

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tradbower on June 27, 2011, 09:01:00 AM
:campfire:    :coffee:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Ron LaClair on June 27, 2011, 09:51:00 AM
Allan "WikiLeaks" Devore    :saywhat: .....   :biglaugh:  


Allan, your enthusiasm and ideas are a motivating force for Gregg and I. We really appreciate your support. The "Shrew Safari" is a catchy name and I like it. I had told Gregg we should call the new model the "DeVore Special"...
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: hunt it on June 27, 2011, 11:32:00 AM
Thanks Allan, I've been looking hourly, as you know I was to be there this year but business and family matters dictated I move it to 2012. I can't get back there soon enough, shooting my Buff bow everyday and plan on keeping it that way until I get there. I'm hoping your fishing trip was on the house boat Mic has us booked for as well (at end of trip). I'm planning on booking couple days of deep sea fishing out of Darwin at beginning of our trip as well. After you have finished I'd love to call you and have a chat when you have time. Thanks for sharing your adventure.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: rushlush on June 27, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
Allan thanks for sharring your adventure!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Terry Green on June 27, 2011, 07:45:00 PM
I just realized after reading this....

This would be my 'Dream Hunt'.  Never thought much about a dream hunt before....cept when Denny Sturgis went down.....and I was invited but could not go due to family circumstances. (not wife or girls)....but this thread sealed the deal.  

If I ever get back to New Zealand to visit my yarn supplier....I just gotta figure out a way to get in on this hunt.

Again....Tip of the hat to ya Allan.    :campfire:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Colotrad on June 27, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
Awesome adventure...well written.  Thanks Allan.
Now you have me looking to get on the shrew list again...if my freshly rebuilt shoulder recovers fully, so I can pull a heavier bow again.
Congrats on a mighty fine buff and a great concept for a new shrew.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Big Ed on June 27, 2011, 09:44:00 PM
Thank you for sharing Allan!!!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Wary Buck on June 28, 2011, 12:10:00 AM
Allan, thanks for taking us along on your trip.  Enjoyed the read and pics.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 28, 2011, 03:39:00 AM
Terry - I hope you can make it down there. It truly is a dream hunt. I plan to go back in 2012. If you are in New Zealand already, then it is a relatively short journey to Darwin and then on to the hunting area.

Ron - I appreciate all you and Gregg do with the wonderful line of Shrew bows. The Buffalo bow was a great pleasure to carry and shoot. I can't wait to shoot a Shrew Safari! Sorry about the information leak. I will leave it to you to fill in the details when, how and if you choose to do so.

David - I know Andy and Mick are looking forward to seeing you. I went fishing with a different guide. It is a neat story with more to it than you may think. I am out of town working and will start chapter 2 when I get home.

Steve - I have been there with my shoulder too. Best wishes on a quick recovery. Better get on the list. By the time you get the bow you will be able to shoot it. Only go as fast with rebuilding as your doctor, physical therapist and shoulder tell you.

I thank all of you who have posted for your comments and encouragement. You are a great bunch of guys.

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: kibok&ko on June 28, 2011, 04:02:00 AM
thanks for sharing ! great time to read this post congrats for your trip !
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: ozy clint on June 28, 2011, 05:18:00 AM
well done. welcome to the buff club!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: kibok&ko on June 28, 2011, 06:44:00 AM
One more question, do you think the liver also was touch on your buff ?
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 29, 2011, 06:08:00 PM
I don't know whether I got the liver since I did not open him up. That is a possibility.

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tippit on June 29, 2011, 08:55:00 PM
Allen,  
I just got to read your entire hunt.  What a thriller!  Congratulations.  Andy is quite a impressive young man to have as your backup...Doc
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on June 29, 2011, 11:57:00 PM
Jeff,

Yes it was a great time with Andy. He is a really remarkable young man, and now a real friend. I talked to Larry Surtees today about his time with you on the bear hunt, and I read the entire thread. I am going to have to do that sometime. Congratulations on your hunt too. It looks like you are really hammering out those knives too. Good to hear from you.

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Steve O on July 03, 2011, 10:31:00 PM
I lost track of this one.  What a grand adventure!  I don't have much of a desire to go to Africa for Cape Buffalo, but Austrailia and the Water Buffalo, I would LOVE to do that.

Thank you for the excellent recap Allan.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: USN_Sam1385 on July 04, 2011, 02:35:00 AM
Allen, that was an incredible read. Thank you.

I agree that this would be a hunt that I would throw onto the bucket list.

I see that you are an attorney..

I just finished my B.S. in December, and I am getting ready to start practicing for the LSAT on October 1st. I hope to go to Washington U. or SLU as a backup.

Thanks again for the read.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tradtusker on July 10, 2011, 06:09:00 AM
Hi All, hope you have all been well.

Well Mick and I have just arrived back from our 7 weeks in the wild outback of the Northern Territory already miss the highway of stars across the heavens, call of the dingo in the darkness.

Allan, its really was a pleasure hunting with you both. Id like to add a few things and throw in a few pics when i get on top of things here back in the rat race.

Allan Please PM me your Contact Number i have a lot to fill you in on, do you have skype?
Look forward to catching up!

Cheers Andy Ivy
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Gary Sorensen on July 10, 2011, 10:35:00 PM
Hey Allan-
I'm a bit slow on the draw on this one, but wanted to congratulate you on a very exciting and successful hunting adventure.  Thanks for sharing with all of us.

You really got me hooked on the Shrews.  I just received my second one a couple of months ago and like it even better than the first.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: amar911 on July 11, 2011, 12:17:00 AM
Andy -- I sent you and email. Looking forward to hearing about everything.

Thanks Gary, Sam, Steve, Jeff, Clint and everyone else for the comments and for coming along with me on the hunt. Sorry I haven't gotten around to Chapter 2 yet. I have been swamped with work and being out of town on other matters. I promise I will finish up my stories of the adventures in Oz this week. Even Andy and Mick don't know what happened after we left them at the McArthur River airport. Plus, I want to hear from Andy when he posts his thoughts on my hunt and the later ones.

I also appreciate getting featured at the top. I never thought I would make it up there!

Allan
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Holm-Made on July 11, 2011, 01:22:00 AM
Wow, Allan!!!  I finally got out of the shop long enough to read your thread.  I knew it would take a while so I held off until I had time.  You had an amazing adventure and brought it to life for all of us so well.  Hats off to you for making a great shot.  There are not many men that can shoot 70ish pound bows with accrucy so hats off to you for that as well.  Great job,  Chad
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Michael Baker on July 11, 2011, 07:21:00 AM
I'd just like to thank Allan & Doug for the great time we had and it was a pleasure to have them in our part of the world. Just to let the boys know we did get a picture of the Flat Dog in the fishing hole. He's a salt water Croc of some 16 ft. Glad he had a dead buff to chew on and not one of us....lol...
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tradtusker on July 14, 2011, 02:36:00 AM
Iv had a bit of time to get on top of things here and though id add a few more pics.

First day in camp Allan was showing me a few of his custom knifes (tradgang sponsors) knives of course.
He had some beauties, then pulls out another and i though "wow you brought a lot of knives" the last was wrapped up in plastic, i remember thinking "must be a new one" i had a good look at it and Allan said "what do you think about that one" to which i replied "very nice i like it" and Allan said "good because its yours"! ha ha
Its a beauty from our own Stikshooter. I think Allan figured i put my gear to use...So It went strait onto my belt and by the end of the season had skinned 10 Buffalo, 3 Scrub bulls and well as many of my testing and cutting out shoulders and ribs. Super tuff and just takes a few strops on the jewl stick to get it back to Shaving sharp.
Allan, thanks Again its a great knife.

Here are the 2 stik knives at work on Allans buffalo

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here's a young bull
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Old school Buff camp out in this wild country

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Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tradtusker on July 14, 2011, 02:49:00 AM
here is a little bit of paradise i hiked into on one of my days off, its up on the escarpment above the fishing hole


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The Big croc in our fishing hole

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Post by: tradtusker on July 14, 2011, 02:53:00 AM
our fish market

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Fresh Barramundi anyone? We'l have this one for supper

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already up but i thought it was a cool action shot just before Allan released on this Boar.

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Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tradtusker on July 14, 2011, 02:55:00 AM
here is a shot i took of whistling Ducks over the water as we waited for the buff to come out and feed.

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Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tradtusker on July 14, 2011, 03:08:00 AM
Had such a great time Hunting with Allan and Doug, Can't wait to do it again. They had the worst wind for the season..it was all over the place, so the hunting was difficult.

Allan and I got up to the usual adventures, covered a few Kms, back in camp we shot plenty of arrows, i did not have my shrew in camp, so would twist Allans arm for a shot every now and then, man his is a great shooting bow, very similar to mine in Draw weight.

Iv got another on order Ha ha might even go the recurve this time we'l see
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Green on July 14, 2011, 04:29:00 AM
It's always great seeing the pics of your guiding and hunting adventures Andy.  It's hard work.....but what a life.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: piggy on July 14, 2011, 07:40:00 AM
Mate some great pictures, a nice size croc there also thanks for sharing.

Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: tippit on July 14, 2011, 09:26:00 PM
Andy,
It is very pleasing to see how happy you are in you element...tippt
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: jcar315 on July 15, 2011, 07:25:00 PM
What a great read on a Friday afternoon. Thanks for sharing such a wonderful adventure.

Awesome pics and story telling to match.

Congrats!!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Shedrock on July 15, 2011, 08:21:00 PM
Very good! Congrats and thanks for the great pics!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: duncan idaho on October 25, 2011, 10:05:00 AM
Excellent story, hunt, and pictures. Those of you who have not read this are missing out on a great adventure.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: KentuckyTJ on October 25, 2011, 10:33:00 AM
Unreal adventure. Great work all.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Steve Clandinin on October 25, 2011, 11:27:00 AM
Fantastic Pics and Story,definately a Paradise!,Thanks ever so much for taking us along,what a dream come true!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: pdk25 on July 31, 2018, 01:25:58 PM
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Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Yellow Dog on July 31, 2018, 09:14:36 PM
I sure do miss the adventures of Allan and Andy.....It's been awhile since they've joined the campfire, hope all is well with the both of them.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: pdk25 on April 27, 2022, 12:45:54 AM
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For anyone considering going to Australia, this is an informative post.  Especially the testing on page 7.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Terry Green on April 27, 2022, 06:19:56 PM
If I remember correctly Mick Baker has passed. He ran some dandy hunts for sure Denny Sturgis hunted with him I believe toward the end.  :campfire:
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: pdk25 on April 27, 2022, 09:33:44 PM
He hasn’t passed, but he no longer has the allotment in aboriginal land where the hunts were held.  He occasionally guides for buff, but guides for hogs and a bunch of other stuff.  A good guy.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: Terry Green on April 27, 2022, 09:48:32 PM
He hasn’t passed, but he no longer has the allotment in aboriginal land where the hunts were held. 

Ah, yes..... that's right, he lost the right to hunt that famous area he had.  I knew there was something that happened.

Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: ozy clint on April 28, 2022, 05:52:49 AM
Where's Andy these days? Haven't seen him here for years. probably since this thread.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: pdk25 on April 28, 2022, 10:40:24 AM
He is living his life on Colorado.  Seems to be doing well.  I occasionally here from him on instagram.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: rastaman on April 28, 2022, 10:42:34 AM
Seems like i remember Andy's family was buying a business in Colorado a few years back?  And Andy was eventually going to join them?   :dunno:  Pat may have more current info on his whereabouts!  This was an awesome read the first time around and just as good when i read it this time.  Andy's posts always had the most incredible pictures to go along with the story.
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: rastaman on April 28, 2022, 10:43:15 AM
Sorry Pat!  You and i were posting at the same time!
Title: Re: Somewhere over the rainbow -- back from the land of Oz (Chapter One)
Post by: pdk25 on May 12, 2025, 10:03:27 AM
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