I just had my first good look at a prototype VPA 2 blade head that's under development and I LIKE what I see! Looks bone busting TOUGH, SOLID, and I hear that they fly great. I'll say more whenever I get one in my hands;^)
gary
single or double bevel
thanks
kevin
I hope they don't want to call it the Bear Legacy! :bigsmyl: VPA makes good broadheads, wish they/someone would have them at Compton's to look at!
What are the grain weights?
The one I saw at Cloverdale was a double bevel and I believe 200 grains.
Bill
I sure would like to see one, 200gr double bevel is what i would like for my set-up.
Some of the specifics are still being looked at. There will be a variety of weights, including heavy versions. I'll promise to get back as soon as I know more. Stay tuned . . .
If there isn't a 300 gr. in the works, There should be......
I know you are getting a lot of questions, but here is another... How wide are they?
Hey Bob. That one's been talked about.
Any idea when they'll be available ?
Thanks for the heads up, Gary...
1 3/8 wide and double bevel or you are just more of the same..............
Glue-on?
Black or red? ( :D ) Just kidding.
300gn!!! in a two blade that would be a big hole makin machine(?)
A one piece Peasron Deadhead style would be really cool.
Thanks for the heads up!
Very much looking forward to seeing what comes out.
Let's hope they're all legal in all 50 states and Canada, unlike the three blade.
Bowmania
Where are 3 blades illegal?
What makes them illegal there? just plain "no 3 blade" law?
Thanks
All of the currently produced non-vented Terminators I've measured surpass the min. broadhead width regs. Todd, are you refering to the vented Woodsman "Elites"?? I know that they run narrower.
As promised, here's the first prototype images I've received from the guys at VPA. That 250 grain head's blade thickness is a whopping bone splitting .067". I can't wait to give that one a try. What a beast. I hear that they fly extremely well.
All heads are 1 1/8" wide. The ones in the picture haven't been painted or coated but will be black(carbon steel, easy sharpening). The first heads should be available in limited runs in early July. VPA will be shipping the first run unpackaged as to not delay the release.
A lot of guys prefer the 3 blades, but for those who want a head built as tough as the Terminators in a 2 blade option these should help fit the bill.
I'll post more info as I receive it plus any sharpening and shooting results I gather once I get the heads. Hope this answers most of your questions for now.
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Nice!
I'm with Bob. 300 grainers pretty please. Man I'd would have loved to take some to Africa in August. They look absolutely awsome and if they are half (well 2/3's technically) the broadhead the terminators are VPA has another winner!!
Deadly lookin! Can't wait to try the 200 out. Please keep updating the thread with any new info.
A lot of guys who hunt Africa have been encouraging them to make these heads since in some circumstances 2 blades are the legal requirement.
Very nice!
Very nice...........
Great to hear! Can't wait to try some this fall.
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Those will give Abowyer a run for their money.
I love looking at new stuff.
Innovation is hard work!
If minds are open for ideas glue on heads would be great!
I would think a similarly built with extra width for wt (maybe 1.25"-1.375")2 blade glue on might sell like hot cakes.
Really nice looking heads. Look very strong and slippery smooth.
:thumbsup:
I agree a nice glue on would be nice.
I like the looks of them. Are they easy to sharpen with a file?
They look real good, but at that width, they are pretty much just another well made 1 1/8" broadhead, imo of course.
I love the heavier heads!!!!
I'll be testing the 250s very soon and will post the results as far as sharpening, flight, etc. I'm sure that VPA welcomes input so feel free to speak your mind . . . as if most of you wouldn't, HA! FYI: The heads are currently limited to a consistant 1 1/8" width due to the steel stock used. I've been told that the wider ones would be substantailly more expensive to produce. We'll see . . .
FYI: My understanding is that the new heads WILL NOT be pre-sharpened or "hunt ready". These heads are mean't to be taken from the package and sharpened using your preferred method. I will be using a wide variety of approaches in my tests, from the KME broadhead and knife systems to free handing it with a small field file à la Fred Bear!
Hate to be critical, but for my taste they dubbed off the point far too much.. I don't have to have the old 3 to 1 ratio but I do prefer something closer to it than these display.. Just my opinion.
If they had left the point intact or dubbed it like a STOS I would be a player..
AWESOME!!
I see that Pat and I'm sure some people will want a longer head, especially "trad minded archers", however, I believe that VPA's main goal is to produce a rock solid 2 blade head, built on the same principal as their 3 blades, using available materials so that they can offer another option AND keep costs down.
Many guys have said that they want to chose their own method of sharpening and that's being addressed too. That also helps minimize the cost of getting them into your hands. Compromises are being made to make it happen.
It will be nice to see them in person and then to see where the price comes out. Thanks for the preview Gary!
They do look nice and beefy. It'll be interesting if they can beat their 3-blade price of $13.33 each.
Thanks for the preview! I like the Terminators and I've been waiting for these.
Is there any chance they would be making a 150gr. two blade?
price of 3 of them????
I have a friend who got a template and a 125 Elite measured 15/16's making the head illegal in a state or providence that has a minimum of 1 inch. If you have an older 3 Rivers catalog you'll see that all heads were supposed to be 1 1/8 inch. Newer catalogs have the 100 grain head at 1 inch. Sharpen that head and you have another illegal head.
Im my collection I have an old head from when they first came out and it fits through a 1 inch key ring.
Unlikely to get caught, but shooting that head could cost you your membership in a local archery club, state organization, Compton, PBS ect.
Bowmania
GOOD INFO!
The weights look to be more versatile than Abowyer offers in a screw in so I am defineatly interested. If they don't come sharp I do hope they still have a precise edge on them. That will at least save half the work.
Bowmania I have measured the cutting diameter of the 125gr Woodsman elites and everyone is indeed 1 1/8". Are you measuring blade to blade or the diameter of the blade? Mine will not fit through a 1 in hole. The Trailmaker from Kustom King is also at the advertised dimension.
I think that problem has been addressed but this thread is about the new 2 blades that are 1 1/8" wide.
Great looking heads.I expect,or at least hope,they will later offer some heavy glue ons.
I always thought that offering heads hunting sharp was over rated.I need to shoot some anyway,in tuning.Those will need to be resharpened so you are paying for sharpening,at least on those,that you didn't need.
The buyer is paying for that final sharpening.It should hold down on the cost some to not have them hunt ready sharpened.I suspect the KME would make short work of these heads.
I think the advantage of offering them sharp it that it is easy to keep a head sharp. Establishing the initial edge is laborous for the unexperienced. Its always easier to just make touch ups to an existing edge.
I agree Jim. Personally, factory "pre-sharping" isn't an advantage to me since I always reburr the edges and finish with my own preferred cutting edge anyway. It's not only a personal preference but has to do with personal satisfaction. On the other hand some guys like to mount them up and get in the woods a little sooner!
I just spoke with Ray at VPA and think I have answers to most of your current questions. In the interest of accurate info I'll just relay exactly what he told me:
"There will be a 150. We ran one and wanted to change the design a little. Possibly a 125.
At this time the 250 length is the longest we can go without running into machining problems. So if we make a 300 it will have to be the length of the 250 with even thicker blades....doubles as a wood splitting awl in hunting camp.
Larger diameters are out for now due to cost. We will custom make them if someone wants to buy 100 packs. Serious inquires can contact me with specifics for a quote.
They will be sharpened after coating as are the Terminators. "Hunting sharp" is subjective. Terminator sharpness has long been a debate. The sharpening angle is much finer than the 30 deg of the Terminator so they will "feel" sharper than the Terminators out of the package. The end user will likely agree that the final or resharpening requires less time and effort than the Terminators because of the angle.
Prices for now will be the same as the Terminators. They are made of the same material stock and require the same amount of machining time. The initial sharping process after coating actually requires a little more labor time for which we are working on fixturing to improve. The first run is planned to be $39.95/3 for the 150s and 175s and $41.95/3 for the 200s and 250s."
That's what I know for now everyone.
These will be something I would consider if they are out in time for hunting season.
wow those are good looking heads
Thanks for the information Gary !!! Looking forward to seeing these in person.
Bill
thanks gary
The 150 seals the deal for me and it sounds like they'll have a ready to be honed edge. $40 for a one piece screw in head is a great value as well. Can't wait to get my hands on some, thanks for the update Gary.
looks good will there be any heads at ETAR this year if so where should I expect to look for them. I was just looking at the 3 blades but I really like the looks of them in the 2 blade. really fair price looks like a quality head, hopefully a 125 grain!!!!
If they are even half as tough of a broadhead as the terminator then VPA will have a great broadhead for 2 blade fans.
I want to purchase 6 of the 200 grain, so if there ends up being a way to get on a list for some out of the first batch they have to sell or if they would allow to prepay for them and then ship when they are ready I would be glad to do that. Got an elk hunt coming up and that head is just what I am looking for.
Try this address Mark: ray@vparchery.com Ray should be able to get you set up in time for your elk hunt.
Anyone wanting to be on a list can email VPA here: ray@vparchery.com. That would actually help them plan the run.
Yep, I want to be on the list. I hope they are out by Sept. 40 bucks for 3 is a good deal on a heavy head like this.
FYI: VPA has set up a coupon code in their webstore for Tradgangers to get free shipping on any of the VPA broadheads. Webstore is www.rayzor-vpa.com. (http://www.rayzor-vpa.com.) Coupon code is "tradgang".
I tried the link and get this...404 (Page Not Found) Error
Try this one: www.rayzor-vpa.com (http://www.rayzor-vpa.com) The link I pasted above has a "." on the end.