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Title: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
Were not talking about calories here. What we are talking about is "burning"feathers.  

  I prefer to burn mine in the morning and outside at that. Here are a few reasons why:

1. I want to stay married a good long time.

2. My wife leaves for work in the morning.

3. I wear my work clothes from the previous night's work. They will head to the wash after the "burn".

4. Even though I burn outside the odor has the rest of the day to"air out". Those of you who have done the "burn" know what I am talking about.

  So if you are ready,let's do it.....
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:11:00 PM
Fletched up and ready to be burnt,good classic white,black and red always looks nice.....

(http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4669.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:12:00 PM
This is the "burn" master....

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Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Starting the burn......

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Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:14:00 PM
(http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4676.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:16:00 PM
I wish you guys that have never burnt your own fletch could smell this. It was really tricky rotating the arrow and shooting the picture at the same time....

(http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4677.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:18:00 PM
Burn complete. Whiskers are common on some style of burns.....

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Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:19:00 PM
Lots of whiskers here......

  (http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4679.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:20:00 PM
A fine pair of snips will trim them up...

  (http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4680.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:21:00 PM
So will a pair of clippers. Pick what works best for you......

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Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
After the trim job....


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Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:23:00 PM
Notice the charred and jagged edges........


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Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:26:00 PM
An emery board will work nice on the rough edges.

Remember to work in the direction of the feather
fiber.
(http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4685.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:27:00 PM
All cleaned up and looking good....


(http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4687.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: saumensch on June 07, 2011, 02:28:00 PM
Thanks for showing, never seen a burner in action till now.

Great looking arrows by the way!
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:29:00 PM
All finished and ready to head to Marsh Hill this weekend......

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Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: mountbkr on June 07, 2011, 02:30:00 PM
Nice job. Good details and pictures.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 07, 2011, 02:31:00 PM
I always like to cover my bases,so I burnt this bunch for my wife. Yellow and blue turned out nice.......maybe she won't notice the smell.

(http://i496.photobucket.com/albums/rr330/livrht/DSCF4689.jpg)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Fisher Cat on June 07, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
Monkeyball,  Thanks for posting this.  My dogs are about the only ones who appreciate the smell.  FWIW, I just use the edge of the razorknife held at a right angle to scrape off the ash. - John
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Shakes.602 on June 07, 2011, 03:14:00 PM
Peeeeweeeee!!!  :eek:   Whats Dat Smell????  :biglaugh:    :laughing:
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: PaddyMac on June 07, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
Nice photos. The close ups are great. Rob DeS has a video around here somewhere as well.

My wife hasn't yet figured out this is looming on the horizon...

 ;)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: KyStickbow on June 07, 2011, 04:22:00 PM
Nice job...they look great!!!
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Thumper Dunker on June 07, 2011, 04:23:00 PM
Cool.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Mike Vines on June 07, 2011, 04:28:00 PM
AHHH, the smell of burnt hair.  My wife, too, likes for me to go away from the house when I burn mine.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: mahantango on June 07, 2011, 05:02:00 PM
Hey Craig - I can smell them all the way across the river!
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: jcar315 on June 07, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
Very nice indeed!!
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Warden609 on June 07, 2011, 05:31:00 PM
nice work
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: cacciatore on June 07, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
I need to try it I have always used choppers.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: GWV on June 07, 2011, 06:23:00 PM
My first time seeing it as well.  Pretty neat!
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: jackdaw on June 07, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
Ahh Monkeyball, nothing like a fresh bouquet of freshly made carbon and carotin...(or whatever the heck a turkey feather is made of???)! It's not even Valentines day and you're presenting the good Mrs. Monkeyball with a fresh selection of arrows...now that's REAL love!!Wait until she gets those broadheads for her birthday...no sleep for you then!! Nice pics buddy....john
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: mikebiz on June 07, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
Really nice looking fletching.  I'm gonna look into one of those burners.  I have been very disappointed with both the Lil Choppers I have.  They came pretty damn dull and offer little if any consistency in feather shape.  Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but if they are that temperamental I don't want to have anything to do with them.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: RonL on June 07, 2011, 06:47:00 PM
Monkeyball
On the left side of your Young feather burner is a silver bar, what is it? I bought mine used and do not have that piece. Oh I always have used a sharp knife to clean up the feather, never thought of an emery board.

RonL
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 07, 2011, 07:17:00 PM
good job, monkeyball!

i love the smell of burning feathers!

click on the pic to run the short vid ...

   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/vid/th_MOV06271.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/vid/?action=view¤t=MOV06271.mp4)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: k9bowman on June 07, 2011, 07:21:00 PM
Great pics,...I've never seen one used either, until now. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: 18thcentman on June 07, 2011, 08:24:00 PM
Craig, Those are some real nice looking arrows. Hope to take a closer look soon! Take care.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: fmscan on June 07, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
Monkeyball, Like the Red, Black and White. You always do nice work. I also have never seen the process. I have always bought pre-cut. So now I have learned how to make my own tabs, and burn my own feathers - both from your HowTo threads. Also your pictures are very clear and I like the step by step. I did have trouble smelling the burn....Please say HI to the cute one in the house.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: huskyarcher on June 07, 2011, 08:27:00 PM
good job man i kinda like the things you trimmed up! lol. Shows you how weird i am.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: fmscan on June 07, 2011, 08:35:00 PM
Rob, Thanks for posting the film on burning...
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Elmer Fudd on June 07, 2011, 08:57:00 PM
Good looking feathers and I'll bet they stabilize just fine. An old friend used to burn really large feathers,like Howard hill, and they sounded like the old films. I love to watch the ark of a large white set of feathers and cap dip. Very soothing and easy to mark and find.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 07, 2011, 09:36:00 PM
Looks Great Craig   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Bernie B. on June 07, 2011, 09:51:00 PM
Boy, I can smell those feathers from here!  I remember when I was just getting started in archery in the late 60's, I would burn my feathers with a Young feather burner.  If I remember right my father-in-law and I  used the burner in his basement one time burning flu flus.  That didn't go over too well!  I think that's when I started buying precut feathers!  Great memories!

Bernie Bjorklund

NC Iowa/SW Wisconsibn
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: razorback on June 07, 2011, 10:02:00 PM
Don't know about feathers but I was cutting an antler with the dremel this evening and I can still smell it. had to spray raid for mosquitos just to cover the smell  :)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: paperenginner on June 07, 2011, 10:43:00 PM
I second the comment of saumensch.  I have always wondered how they worked.  I assumed that you burned the feathers prior to glueing them on.  Now I realize it is done afterwards.  Thanks for the pictures.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 08, 2011, 02:21:00 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys. There is something about doing it yourself that even makes it more attractive to me.

 Ron L,that bar on the left helps hold the ribbon in place and probably helps to heat it up also.I had this burner from new, so I imagine you could probably get in touch with Young's if you need one.

                 Good Shooting,
                            Craig
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 08, 2011, 02:57:00 PM
the little "L" bar that comes with the young is to be used when the burning wire is shortened for small fletches so that the wire won't heat up so red hot.

i added a simple in-line on/off switch and turn off the burner after each arrow is done.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Killdeer on June 08, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
Evening on the Beltway:

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Killdeer/TG%20Uploads/Archery%20Equipment/Tools/th_MVI_1794FeatherBurner.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v249/Killdeer/TG%20Uploads/Archery%20Equipment/Tools/?action=view¤t=MVI_1794FeatherBurner.mp4)

Killdeer   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: SEMO_HUNTER on June 09, 2011, 12:51:00 AM
I've never seen that done before either. What's the advantage of burning over chopping? I chop all mine and it seems like a nicer cut than the burner leaves with not much clean up involved. Also wondering how much harder it is to fletch a feather that wide versus one that's already chopped to the shape you want?

Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 09, 2011, 05:42:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by SEMO_HUNTER:
I've never seen that done before either. What's the advantage of burning over chopping?

you get to create the feather shape

I chop all mine and it seems like a nicer cut than the burner leaves with not much clean up involved.

maybe, maybe not - there are important burning chops to be learnt and there are both good and bad feather burns ... it's not as easy as whacking a feather in a chopper, but once properly understood, burnt feathers are far more precise than those chopped.

Also wondering how much harder it is to fletch a feather that wide versus one that's already chopped to the shape you want?

piece of cake ... summa you guyz have GOT to check out the 'how to - resources' forum! ... see my fletching vid below ...

Thanks for sharing.
    (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/vid/th_MOV06270.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v82/rfdee/vid/?action=view¤t=MOV06270.mp4)
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: maxwell on June 09, 2011, 08:53:00 AM
Very nice Craig-  Like the pics
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 09, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
Thank you Mr. Bill.

 Rob,nice video. I use a straight clamp that is marked off in various sizes to cut my feathers. Put it in once,make your cuts and your done. It is really quick.

                      Good Shooting,
                                  Craig
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: ronp on June 09, 2011, 02:10:00 PM
Thanks for sharing the How-To, Craig.  Nice work!
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: rluttrell on June 09, 2011, 02:53:00 PM
That is really cool, I to have never seen it done before....
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Buckwheaties on June 09, 2011, 04:38:00 PM
Can you get 2 5" feathers out of a full length? If so, is one end of feather different from the other.? Like is it ok to burn one feather from the front and the 2nd from the remainder? Or is it just 1 5" per 1 full length? Thx
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Rob DiStefano on June 09, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Buckwheaties:
Can you get 2 5" feathers out of a full length?

with a *perfect* full primary, maybe.  for the most, no way, ain't gonna happen

If so, is one end of feather different from the other.?

yes - the front of any feather has a very full, wide quill base - the tip end can thin down to a pencil line which is just too thin. for the most part, with a *good* feather, i'll get a 5.25" fletch and a 3.5" fletch.

Like is it ok to burn one feather from the front and the 2nd from the remainder?

yes, i do that all the time with 4" fletches

Or is it just 1 5" per 1 full length?

yep, that's about it.  i'm careful the way i cut feathers, and i prefer 5.25" lengths for a 3-fletch shield cut.  the left over feather, maybe 3.5" if i'm lucky, is used for "throw away" woodies

Thx
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Buckwheaties on June 09, 2011, 06:41:00 PM
Got it Rob, Thanks..
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: Lee Viv on June 09, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
good stuff Craig.....they look good enough to shoot at this year at either Standing Stone or Shade Mountain!


Lee
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: monkeyball on June 10, 2011, 10:49:00 AM
1 cut per feather for me,regardless of size. I take it where the oil line runs the highest that way I am getting the best possible feather I can.

                           Good Shooting,
                                    Craig
Title: Re: Doing the "Morning Burn" w/ photos
Post by: RonL on June 10, 2011, 11:09:00 AM
Rob monkeyball thanks, I also use a switch.

RonL