Anyone used these heads on thin skinned animals[ Dear, Antelope etc]? Whats the good and the bad. Please only reply if you have the used them or seen them in use.
Trad = no trocar tips. Cut on contact is the name of this game. Poor penetration is a downside.
My son has used them for the last 4 or 5 years. He has taken about 10 deer in that time. 5 or 6 were pass through shots and deer only went 50-60 yards. The others went around 100-125 yards.
He did shoot 2 others that he didn't recover. He thought he had a good shot on them.
I don't see a lot wrong with them. That said I use a COC broadhead.
Hap
They have always worked well for wheelies-Im partial to COC heads with a stick though.
I used them in my wheelie days with good luck.The only down side for them with a trad bow would be punching through.It would require more energy and take away from penetration but besides that a great head lots have been killed with them.
They do a number on a groundhog!
Unless you are shooting light arrows and bow weight they should work fine on deer and smaller stuff at reasonable range. I have always gotten real good blood trails with any decent hit. I have not shot a lot of stuff with trad bow with them, but the ones I did were not an issue. I used to shoot them for years on compounds. I even shot them a long time ago in one piece wood and glass round wheel 50 compounds and they did fine. I don't think those bows had a whole lot of speed over what I shoot now for trad bows. At the same time I also shot COC heads that were not hair popping sharp due to my sharpening skill and I can tell you the muzzy shot through stuff a lot better than my marginally sharp COC's.
With my low poundage bows, I'm going to be trying out Muzzy's new 3 blade 75 grain broadhead. I'm going to sharpen the trocar tip too. Since it's only 1" wide, that should help in penetration since my 37# bow shoots 174 fps and my 42# bow shoots 185 fps. I'll wait for my favorite broadside lung shot at distances of 15 yards and under. Should be an interesting experiment.
I shoot 9+ gpi and Alum. arrows 45# @ 28 with 29" to BOP.
I`ve killed a truckload of deer and pigs with the Muzzy 125 grain 3 blade. I was shooting about 53 lbs from a Widow recurve.Mark Land has killed a bunch as well.Fine broadheads.RC
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I've used the 125gr. three blade for the past five or six seasons.I've killed six or seven deer.And one hog with them.I shoot about a 500gr. arrow.From bows in the low 50#'s to high 40#'s.I havent had a issue with them.I belive they are what Fred Elicher used until muzzy bought out phantom broadheads.Get some of his early videos and see what they'll do to a buffalo.Dont buy the hype. Put them in the right spot and you'll be fine.As a matter of fact they were designed to be shot out of trad bow's.
I've seen a pile of deer killed with the old glue on 4 blade muzzys and screw on 3 blades. They work great but sometimes the edge on the blades have a small burr, strope lightly with a small ceramic stick it really brings up the edge. Muzzys and Thunderheads are the two heads I recomend for anyone that has resharpening issues.
Love my Muzzy 125gr 4bl heads and have killed loads of game with them. My boss shoots the 125gr 3bl on his recurves and longbows as well and has for many years. With moderate weight bows and decent weight arrows they do just fine. I sharpen the trocar tip on a diamond stone and get them very sharp and that helps as well. Typical to expect pass thrus on most deer and hogs I shoot and have taken other game with them as well. No problem!
My son took his first deer (a decent sized 1 1/2 year old buck) with a 100 3 blade when he was just 13. He was shooting a very low powered/short draw set up at the time and light arrows too, but he still had the broadhead lodged under the skin on the far side. Recovery was only 80 yards. I did sharpen the trocar tip on it for him prior to use, as Mark mentioned I do believe that helps.
They even work on thick skinned game. :D
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I've used them on every animal in Hawaii with great success. Like the others mentioned, I also sharpened the tip. Although I've never had a problem with them, I've recently switched to the stainless Muzzy phantoms.
Pork chops!! :bigsmyl:
This is interesting , I have some 125 gr Muzzy and Thunderheads that I was thinking to use for Deer, I may have to try them with a heavy arrow!!
I'm a non traditional, traditional bowhunter I guess. Almost all my critters taken have been by the 145 muzzys. I love them.
My friend has used them ever since Muzzy came out with them since he isa friend of the family. He must have taken over 50 deer and he has no problems with penetration. He does however sharpen the trocar tip.
i asked the same question last deer season.... i was told that the man who invented muzzy bh is a trad hunter. i'm sure they will do their part if you do yours.
Trocar tips designed and used by a trad hunter John Musachia. Scratch that I think they were a mideval design?? but that dude brought them to what they are today. anywhoo
They work -
J
I know of a guy and his hunting partner that have killed 60 elk between them with the trocar tipped muzzy heads. Shooting them out of recurves and longbows in the 54-57 pound range with 500-525 grain arrows. Sounds like they work to me.
they are great broadheads. but we all know how some folks are. if G. fred or one of the other authorities came out and said they were great, there would be a totally different song to sing.
I tried the 4-blade glue-ons many years ago, but they broke shooting them into hay bales with the practice blades in place. The aluminum ferrules didn't hold up. I never hunted with them. Murphy's Law dictates a stronger head for me.
Yes, they will work!
Kind of suprised of the negative comments.
As some mentioned, they were originally designed for traditional.
Between compound and recurve have probably killed 50 deer using the 3 and 4 blade muzzy, all 125 grain. Its a good head, I did try to sharpen the trocar head. I still have some 4 blades left that might see some action this season.
Scott