Please show some pics of kills with info.What length,size weight of head and what kind of bow and pull.
53LB SILVERTIP, 29'' 2020, 125gr magnus screw in, 20yd shot
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/emtp505/4.jpg)
same bow with 29'' 2213's and 125gr magnus screw in. 21yd shot
(http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk223/emtp505/2010bucks036.jpg)
After fooling with carbons for several years I've finally "stepped back up" to aluminums. I really prefer them.
2010 September in Montana - 2217 JDA natural with a big Snuffer on it - 30 inch for 29 1/2 draw, 640 grains, 62 lb Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet, 7 or 8 yards. Complete penetration through the ribs, bull went down quickly.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/RyanRothhaar/elk1.jpg)
Dec 20, 2010 here in Indiana, 53 lb Jack Howard Gamemaster Jet, 2215 with a big Snuffer, around 560 grains, shot him at less than 10 yards, entry just in front of right hind leg, front 6 inches of the shaft exited through left front armpit. He went 150 yards or so, dead in less than 10 seconds.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/RyanRothhaar/IndianaBuck2010.jpg)
Ryan
58" Black Widow PSRV t/d,54@28. 28.5" 2018 Legacy w/ 125gr. Magnus Stinger. 12yd shot
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Shot with a 250gn Woodsman broadhead, Beeman MFX 340 32" shaft out of a 62" Morrison Cheyenne 66#@31"
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bwahahahahaha!
I just switched this January to a new light 2212 aluminum arrow out of both of my bows so no photos (yet).
You can see my stats for both of my bows in my signature.
Where do I go to understand what 2212 or 2020 etc means for spine :knothead: ? I shoot woodies but I am interested in aluminum. Also one more question; Is there any one thing specifically that you like about the aluminum? feel? weight variances? flight?
I'm kinda interested to see this thread continue. I am planning on shooting 30.5" 2016 with 3-5" RW and a 150 grain NAP razorcap for whitetails this fall out of my 45# Kodiak.
I too have no idea how to equate aluminum shafts spine ratings to wood.
First off, the first two numbers of an aluminum shaft describe it's diameter which is in 64ths of an inch. The second number is the aluminum shafts wall thickness. A 2212 has a 22/64" diameter with a .012 wall thickness and this a very thin wall thickness. In my case, I'm shooting a target arrow because most hunting shafts start with a .013 wall thickness like a 2213 which has the same 22/64" diameter. A 2020 is a very durable, almost indestructible, arrow. It has a 20/64" diameter, but with a .020 wall thickness. My 2212s are .001" in straightness and it's an Eclipse X7 series aluminum shaft.
My 2212 weighs 8.8 GPI (grains per inch). A 2213 weighs 9.9 GPI (grains per inch). A 2020 weighs 13.5 GPI (grains per inch). So, one can shoot a light arrow, a moderately heavy arrow or a very heavy arrow depending on bow poundage, draw length, point weight and overall arrow length. Aluminum arrows are very easy to tune and I think aluminum is much more easy to tune than a carbon arrow.
Aluminum arrows are very straight, usually .002" in tolerance in the Camo Hunter series and there isn't very much difference in grain weight if you buy 1 dozen or 100 dozen arrows. All the arrows might be plus or minus 1% in weight difference with one another.
Since I've been bowhunting for 47 years, with low poundage bows, I just know what size spined aluminum arrows I can use (shoot) for my 30" draw length with my arrows cut at 32" BOP (back of point). Depending on point weight and brace height, my 42# recurve can shoot a 2114, 2212, 2213, 2215 and 2117 arrow. She doesn't like a 2018 though. My 37# recurve can shoot a 2114, 2212 and 2213 arrow.
I can't equate aluminum to wood so I can't help anyone in that regard. I can't shoot carbon arrows because the correct spined carbon arrow for me, depending on point weight with the low poundage I shoot, is a 500 or 600 series that only come in 30"-31" full length shafts. I can't make a 32" arrow out of a full length 30"-31" carbon shaft.
Sorry. I meant to edit and hit the quote button instead.
Go to the Easton websight and look at their spine chart. It is like any other chart, just a starting point. You and your setup may need a stiffer or softer spine. It will give you some of the information you need.
Rob, when I read this today at work no one had responded and I thought about going home and shooting a beer can. Ya beat me to it!! LOL!!!
Rusty
Heres the specs
http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/product/12
Go here then click on "more"
I use aluminum for 90% of my bowhunting and have never found it lacking in arrow weight or penatration and thats with the 160 snuffers.
I am looking to find a aluminum arrow that works for me.I shoot a 50#@28 recurve drawn 28 would like at least 125 grain head.Could anyone tell me where to start.
2016
maaaaayyyybe a 2018.
im psoitive one of the two are what you'll need
I have had good luck with Stu's spine calculator... All of the configs that come out "close" that I have tested fly AWESOME!
QuoteOriginally posted by Robert Honaker:
maaaaayyyybe a 2018.
im psoitive one of the two are what you'll need
Why not a 2114?? (Just curious, not trying to be a smarty it falls right in between the 2016 and 2018 for spine)
A 2016 will be about 30gr heavier and the 2018 about 70 gr heavier than a 2114. They both have thicker walls and thinner shafts so are a little more durable. With a 125 to 145 screw ins, the 2016 should work. With 160 to 190 screw ins the 2018s. Start at about 30" and cut n tune. I try to use the smallest diameter and thickest walled shaft on my hunting arrows. 2016s will end up around 480+ total weight the 2018s at about 560+.
Hvyhitter's advice is right on LeverActionman! But... Tell us a little more about your recurve...
A few years back when I was shooting a 50 lb Black Widow recurve and drew 28 inches I used 2213's with big Snuffers for an arrow around 520-530 grains as I recall. I killed a handful of whitetails and a black bear with this setup and penetration was not an issue.
Since my draw has lengthened (thanks to LASIK surgery and ditching the glasses) I had to step up an arrow size for similar wt bows.
Personally I'm a big fan of "22" sized aluminums. I just like the feel of that diameter arrow. "20's" feel funny and too thin to me.
Ryan
I shoot 2213 and 2215 cut to 30 1/4". My bows are mainly 57-64# @ 29 1/4" draw. Broadheads are Zwickey Eskimos and weigh in at 165 gn with long inserts.Total arrow and broadhead weight on the 2215s is 550 gr. Here is my buck last Nov.taken with my Pearson mercury Marauder 64# @ 29 1/4". (http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd251/bens5218/IMG_1186.jpg) Like Ryan I'm partial to the 22 series. This one was a complete pass thru shot at 17 yds.
2114 or 2016, 125 gr out of a 45lbs recurve, 2115, 125gr out of a 50# recurve. works for me.
I've been reading these comments. I'll add my two cents in here.
The 2114 is stronger in spine than a 2016. Just look at the old Easton "shaft" chart. A 2016 will always be one column weaker than the column containing the 2114.
Yes, the 2016 weighs 10.6 GPI (grains per inch) whereas the 2114 weighs 9.9 GPI (grains per inch). But, the 2114 is stiffer in spine (.510) than the 2016 with a spine of (.531). This means more point weight will be at the tip of the 2114 than the point weight on the tip of a 2016 with both arrows being cut the same length. In essence, both the 2016 and the 2114 should be very close in overall arrow weight, but the real difference will be in the point weights of the two arrows.
If I had to choose between the three sizes; 2016, 2114 and 2018 since these choices have been mentioned for a 50# @ 28" bow, I'd pick the 2114.
Speaking just for myself again with a 50# @ 28# bow; for a fast arrow, I'd pick a 2114 and for a slower, but heavier arrow, 2213 since the 2213 with it's large 22/64" diameter, will have more point weight at the tip than a 2114.
tons of good advice here. :readit:
I've never shot anything but aluminum. I may be behind the times, but I'm happy with them.
either 2216 or 2020's 28 1/4" and 99% of the time i use zwickey deltas on long solid adapters (175 gr head weight) the 2216's come in at about 570 gr the 2020's right at 600 i was at 60-63lbs in most of the pics and those were 2216's except the long bow pics those were using 2020's i am at 60lb now and shootin the 2020's from a widow psa i have always shot aluminum with the exception of a cedar now and then but i had a hard time with wood consitincy (sp) and weight...i use a cat quiver usually so most of my pics dont show arrows, i have never saw a need to not shoot aluminim, you can get a very nice hunting weight arrow without having to add weights and all the bs that goes with carbons. i am one to stick with things that work when it matters..
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(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj94/stykbow1/huntin%20stuff/righthandbuck.jpg)
Dave, Somebody else got in your last picture. LOL
48# PSA, 2018 cut @ 29", 170gr snuffer.
QuoteOriginally posted by ksbowman:
Dave, Somebody else got in your last picture. LOL
handsome young whippersnapper !! :)
2117 175 head 55@30 assenheimer arrows 31"
Bear Super Kodiak, 31" 2315 xx75, Magnus 125gr. 2 blade. They work on baldies too.
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c318/b1r9i6a6n/PB290010.jpg)
Ah.... the 2219,2419 and 2317 were some great shafts for me. I wonder sometime's why I ever switch to carbons. I didn't take to many pic's back then but they did the job.
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af125/wernerschmidt_photo/DeerHunt2010007.jpg)
(http://i1000.photobucket.com/albums/af125/wernerschmidt_photo/Antelopehunt2010066.jpg)
These two animals were taken with 2216 Legacy shafts, Ace 165 Broadheads out of a Super Shrew Delux drawing 56 lbs @ 27inches. I used cedar for years but I think aluminum is noisier but gives you consistancy.
Played around with carbons for a while. No thanks. Shoot only 2018's. Five inch three fletch, shield cut. 125gr. Snuffers or Magnus II's.
This thread makes me want to go back to aluminums for hunting
I shoot 2115 out of My 50# Mamba Recurve and those arrows flew very straight
I am shooting a 53# @ my 27 draw longbow now RD , what are your suggestions for hunting will a 2020 work ? at what lenght
I Shoot 2020 Legacies At 58# Recurve and Bear 8.6 Magnums out of my 63# recurve. I can shoot down a tube. Oh! and 160 snuffers.