This seems to be a common theme on here. People ask for pictures to be sent to them. Then you never hear back at all. Not a "Thank You. I will think about it." Nothing. How hard is it to acknowledge that you rec'd them?? And when you take the next step and ask them if they got them, you hear nothing back.
Or you get the response, "Yeah. Got them. But it's about 10 pounds too heavy for me." Dude, the specs were posted in the ad. Why did you ask for pics?
Sorry. Just had to vent for myself and a few others who have experienced it quite a bit lately.
Venting is a good thing.............♠
been selling and trading for years and you'll get used to that...
I agree I think that they should at least send you a reply.
However, I also think that it is alot easier for people to just post the pictures in the add when they post it. Its not that hard, I think there was a sticky or something at one time that gave step by step instructions on how to do it.
Sometimes people would click on a for sale item and not really be interested. If you are really trying to sell it. The picture if posted in the thread could be the deal changer.
I agree common courtesy would call for a follow-up note from a looker to a seller. I wouldn't consider posting an item without a picture though.
Once I offered to send pictures of Schafer Silvertips -- I asked for it so I'm not complaining, but I learned a lesson! I sent e-mails of boo-coo pictures for 4-5 days! EVERY person I sent the pictures to thanked me though.
I agree, you deserve some feedback when sending pictures. I always post pictures with my add though. I did email a well known collector some pictures of a bow he was looking for and no response. My opinion of him plummeted after that.
My good friend and buddy Butch Speer on here has this quote as a part of his tag line.
Nothing is ever lost by courtesy. It is the cheapest of pleasures, costs nothing, and conveys much.
- Erastus Wiman
I love it!
God bless,Mudd
There is another side of the coin, people who ask for pictures, and then don't get them, also without an apology, or sold, or lost the darn thing, what ever.
No matter which side you are on, common courtesy goes both ways.
We are all in this together, we should act that way.
If I really want to sell something I'm going to post the pictures up front with the ad. A lot easier to take a little time up front and post some nice clear pics of the item in question rather than sending 15 separate emails to each individual. C'mon folks learn to post pictures.
But, I agree, if you ask for some pics you should acknowledge their receipt.
When I read about a bow I would like to see, but not buy, I always try to say so in the message, and always offer to post the pictures as a favor in return. That way we both win :D
X 2 Burnsie. I'm also a big one on disclosure. If there are nicks/dings,etc. Post pics and describe the issue(s) so the buyer gets no surprises when the item arrives.
I learned to post pictures off of this site and will not list any future items for sale without posting pictures. People like to see what they are buying and like to read a detailed description as well. It doesn't take much. I feel that there is alot less time consumed by both parties over an item than one listed without pictures.
I agree. Posted pics help. But why then, when people have pics posted, people still ask for more? Because they need to see more. No big deal. So just because you have a pic posted, doesn't mean people arn't going to ask for more.
I don't post pics because I don't want to mess with photobucket. Too much work for my lazy butt:)
I've gotten quite a few PM's agreeing with me on this. Acknowledge the receiving of the pics. And don't ask for pics if you aren't serious. If the bow is too heavy, long, short, whatever, pics aren't going to change that:)
NVM, Post deleted.
we call'em "tire kickers" where I come from.
Here are my thoughts: "Common Courtsey" is posting the pictures to start with.
Want to know how I really feel?
"Common Courtsey" is something we all should use with one another here and I know a pic of your bow will help cause it did me But I also understand with many people that posting pics isn't the easiest thing No matter how it's explained...Many people will say to you "WHY NOT POST PICS IT'S EASY" well it may be for you but everyone's not you! I had to beg my wife to try and figure that out and since forgot...I respect a man if he say's I don't no how to do this or that instead of making him/her feel like they are dumb to learning...Not many have the ability or friends to help show them the how to on doing this or that so saying to them to just go read such and such post on posting it's that simple doesn't work for all...Have respect for each other and try to help them in any way possible...Some of this computer stuff is so hard to explain to our elders and some others even if it is in a step by step instruction...You don't teach a child to walk a few steps then leave them to fend for themselves from there on so if you do know how to teach a person to post pics or whatever then take a little of your time and teach another that is having a diffacult time using this computer langauge...Walt I believe you said those words to me and I didn't care for your remark on the subject and I know it's easy for you to just send a pic but just think about a fella that may be in his 70's that never had learned these new ways of posting etc. I don't really want to know how you really feel if it's going to make a fella feel like he's worthless and shouldn't be a member here cause he needs to send pics to make a sale...I know it helps but instead try to help a person out and lend a hand...God Bless, Keefers <")))><
I should of posted more cause I feel so rude now,,, but honestly when I put a bow up for trade I think 60% of the interest is just Photo shoppers I call them,, they I think are shopping the classifieds and kind of dreaming like people do when they flip through a catalog and they almost need to see the bow. I think in the end they just blow it off and move to another like a troll but I wouldn't say it was done in that bad of a way. I too would like some reply to atleast confirm they did gt pics.
I do also admit I think I've done it too in the midst of serious shopping and 20-30 pms coming in at once.. I'll be sure to reply back even though theres alot of times when the seller don't reply back too.
What about when you sell an item and the buyer can't even let you know that it has arrived. I figure that if it didn't get there I would hear from them for sure.
I do post pictures when I am selling something now, but didn't know how for a long time. I think having the pics makes it easier to sell and you don't have to bother with all the sending of pics. If you can send pics via email, there are plenty of guys here who will post them for you.
Some good thoughts shared back and forth, but let's not throw the baby out with the washwater and someone run to Admin in a huff. We could loose the ability to buy/sell entirely if this goes viral.
We're dealing with a cross section of society in a forum like this and there will be many different values and attitudes about what constitutes "good manners."
We pays our money and takes our chances... :)
Now help an old guy offa his soapbox afore I break a hip or sumpin! :saywhat: :D
Let's not forget the lead banner posted by Terry Green on the Classifieds:
posted April 22, 2011 08:29 PM
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We will no longer administrate this classified portion of the site. We have tried in the past, and receive grief for our efforts. So, we will no longer waste our time trying to protect, alert, warn anyone of anything. If you post off topic, it will likely be removed and we will NOT email you under any circumstance. We have better things to do with our lives. Read the Rules.
Buyer Beware......best of luck.
Mr. Zimmerman,
I had to re-read your post again and forgive me all cause I thought you were having trouble posting pics! I now see you were referring to people not having the "Commen Courtesy" to just let you know they got them and didn't want the bow...You did post pics in your ad and sent extras to those that asked and I agree people who are interested in whatever is being sold/ traded shouldn't just kick tires so to speak...We need to respect each other and have "Common Courtesy" ...Even a simple "I'll pass" on a trade or sale will be a help...<><
Since the rules still apply!
If "We" enforce them(the rules).. it will stay as good as it was... if we get lax and let some slide by outside the rules that are there to protect us,, then who will we have to blame but ourselves.
My two cents worth.
God bless,Mudd
I'm sure this is not the excuse in most cases, but do keep in mind that anything you send by email may or may not be received by the recipient. Especially when you are attaching items (like pictures) in the email.
Spam filters often send emails from unknown senders, especially those with attachments, into the garbage can. The recipient may have never seen your email. I use a couple of different spam filters for my email accounts. Because of my business I am careful about checking for junk mail regularly, but still occasionally miss a few.
If the person you are sending to is not diligent about checking junk mail filters that just might be where your message sits.
The best thing you can do to help yourself sell items is to post the pictures in the ad. It does take some effort to learn, but will generate far more interest than if everyone has to request pictures just to satisfy their curiousity.
Imposing a certain definition of common courtesy on folks, be they bow dreamers or not, is a bit arrogant.
No response is my pet peeve. You can see when your pm has been read and then waiting for a reply and not getting one is a little frustrating. It only happens once in a great while.
Over all everyone I've talked with have been awesome! :thumbsup:
I agree Whip. But when a person posts "All pics sent, emails replied to, etc", that person asking should look out for them. And if they get filtered out, try asking again. Obviously they didn't go thru.
Al, not sure what you mean. Are you saying that asking for confirmation is wrong going either way?
Learn how to post pics on this site, and it will get rid of that problem for you. Plus free up time for you to do other things. Not to mention, put you in a better mood.
Keep in mind sometimes at work I can't control on how well the imternet connection is running or how locked down they make it. Also when the ad doesn't contain pictures one persons definition of mint isn't always well represented.
Changing the world would be a monumentous if not impossible task.
Your continued example of retaining your own hi level of courtesy will be noticed and picked up by a few, retained and spread to others.
Remain the foundation!
Why do people keep going back to posting pics? I have had pics posted before for stuff I have sold. I think that has nothing to do with common courtesy of acknowleging pics sent.
Boy, this thread is a lot like others. It got turned around from the main point. I am sorry I posted. I will continue to acknowledge when I get pics sent to me. I hope others will continue to do so. And others will start.
Have a good holiday guys. Be safe. And shoot straight.
I dont mind sending extra pics to anyone who is really interested. Some you send photos to never intended on purchasing the bow for one reason or another and thats rude IMO.
I don't understand why everyone can't have an account with an online hosting site and post pics in any classifieds ads.It's so easy to do.Should be a requirement for all ads.Would take care of alot of the tire kicking here for sure.Seems like alot more hassle to have to email pics then post pics sent and this and that.
JMHO
I always want to let know if I have received a mail and I give an answer, anyway.I appreciate the people that act this way too.Most real TGangers are this way.
All in all great people on here.
I always post pics just to keep the "bow porn" guys happy
Just my opinion.....
I agree on the reply courtesy.
I know how to post pictures, I usually don't but have. I have emailed a bunch of pictures upon request and don't mind at all.
Why I usually don't is because through Photo Bucket on my computer which is a 1940's model, I think, it takes about 10 minutes or more because of how fast my computer isn't.
To email a picture takes about 30 seconds. I always note "Please let me know if you get these"
sometimes I get a reply, sometimes I don't.
had i seen this thread earlier i would have pulled it. as it is now, i'll close it.
negativity does nothing to get to the root of a problem or solve it, nor does trad gang allow such topic and posts. the real question is whether or not the op's topic has merit ... or not.
y'all bashed it up a bit and the bottom line is that trad gang is a slice o' life and there are all kinds of peoples out there.
experiencing no return replies after sending out images of something you have to sell is nothing new and will continue forever.
you don't hear back within a reasonable period of time, that person is history. just that simple.
is it rude not to reply after receiving a seller's bow images on request? perhaps, depends, but i see no clear cut reason why someone hasta reply to receiving images, but i do see the potential buyer wanting to reply if the images never arrived.
this is really all nitpicking - selling and buying bows is business, pure and simple. and now here we are making a public issue of someone venting. not.
please, no public venting.
you feel the need to vent, you have my pm and email address, no problem!
thanx for your understanding.