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Title: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Mike Vines on May 27, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
I just figured how to do a single V footing on my shafts.  I took full length Doug Fir and footed 6 of them with some walnut that I took from a tree we cut down 4 or 5 years ago.  They actually came out awesome.  My question is...Do I need to increase my point weight now form the 125 gr I was shooting?  I know, go out and try them, but I thought I would gather the minds that have ready figured it out.  

Also, does it matter how much footing you have infront of the splice or is it a matter of preference?

These shafts should be next to impossible to break because of doug firs strength and walnuts hardness combined.

Thanks in advance

Mike
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Jake Fr on May 27, 2011, 12:30:00 PM
Wow I would like to see those I would try 3 at a time and swich field tips till I found what I liked I belive you would be ok staying with that try weighing a shaft with the footing and with out it and see twhat the differance is you might need more or less depends on what you like I guess
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: snag on May 27, 2011, 01:04:00 PM
Mike, with this heavier wood upfront you've already added more point weight. You've also got the added stiffness of the footing. So, I would first spine these shafts again and see where they're at. Let us know what they come in at. Then we will have a better understanding of how much point weight you'll need. Also need to know what bow you're shooting these out of, etc. The footed shafts I have I bareshafted them and cut from the back(of course) and found I could use the normal 145gr or 160gr heads I like to shoot...don't remember how the spine was effected though. Love to see a picture of these.   :clapper:
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: wingnut on May 27, 2011, 01:32:00 PM
Well actually douglas fir has a specific gravity of .36 on average and black walnut .41.  So walnut is a little heavier and a little denser but not a lot.  

Osage is .86 or example and ipe is about 1.0.

The bigger the number the heavier and denser the wood.

Mike
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Mike Vines on May 27, 2011, 02:50:00 PM
I cut them to be 2" to the BOP.  I will post some pictures tonight, because I have no idea how to do it from an iPod.

Are they nice enough to sell?  Not at all, but for my first attempt at footing, these 1/2 dozen are awesome in my book.  It took me 2 hours total to do it.  I came in a half hour early, tapered the shafts, and glued and clamped everything up, then at first break and lunch I planed them down to roughly where they needs to be.  During second break I chucked them in my drill press and sanded them down to finished diameter.  I used a homemade no-go gauge to get everything the same diameter.

If someone would like to post pictures for me, post your email and I will send them to you.
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: snag on May 27, 2011, 03:48:00 PM
I sent you a PM Mike. I think you better do a tutorial on the other part of that dozen!
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Mike Vines on May 27, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
I just sent them to ya Snag
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: snag on May 27, 2011, 04:11:00 PM
(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/snag23/Mikes.jpg)

VERY NICE!
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: snag on May 27, 2011, 04:13:00 PM
Tried resizing it but it got to blurry...sorry.
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: snag on May 27, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
Let's try this again.........

(http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u31/snag23/photo.jpg)
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Mike Vines on May 27, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
Thank you.  When I get home later tonight I will post them.  We just had a watermain break, so it will be a little while.  Why they need a carpenter for a watermain break is beyond me, and especially on a holiday.  But the way I look at it, if I'm in Michigan and working life's not to bad.
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Mike Vines on May 27, 2011, 04:18:00 PM
You got it.   Thank you very much Snag.
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Hot Hap on May 27, 2011, 05:26:00 PM
Very nice!!

Hap
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Troy Breeding on May 27, 2011, 05:39:00 PM
Very nice job Mike. I used to do this to my woodies when I'd break one right behind the point. Sure saved me a bundle on new shafts.
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: straitera on May 28, 2011, 08:00:00 AM
Wouldn't have expected these to turn out so nice. Great job! Will really shine finished w/urethane. I'd like to know how you did it?
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Mike Vines on May 28, 2011, 08:22:00 AM
I will do one more next week as a tutorial with pictures for all of you.  It was actually very simple.

Every one of them when i tapered them spun true with no wobbles.
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on May 28, 2011, 08:24:00 AM
Those look Great!
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Osage61 on May 28, 2011, 08:30:00 AM
Pretty awesome looking job Mike    :clapper:
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Huntschool on May 28, 2011, 09:57:00 AM
great job Mike....
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: snag on May 28, 2011, 10:07:00 AM
I'll be watching for the tutorial Mike! Always wanted to try this. Maybe you can inspire me to try it. If you need anymore help posting pics just let me know.  Thanks, David
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Mike Vines on May 28, 2011, 12:12:00 PM
Thanks David, but I will take my camera with me.  I can do it with my camera, just not with an iPod yet.

For tools, I used a jig I made on a tablesaw then went over to my disc sander and did one side of the taper, then moved the jig to do the other side of the taper.  Then you need a band saw to slice your footing.  spring clamps to hold till the glue is set, then a hand plane to get to close diameter and sandpaper to finish the job.

Like I said, I promise I will do a how to picture tutorial on this next week.
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Jim now in Kentucky on May 28, 2011, 07:14:00 PM
Those look great. Can't beat the appearance of a two-foot or four-foot footing in a contrasting color.

I used to repair my broken arrows with a two foot, until I developed Reparrows. The two foot is still  prettier, but Reparrows are a faster repair.

Again, beautiful footings you have there.

Jim
Title: Re: My first set of self footed shafts pics half way down on 1st page
Post by: Green on May 28, 2011, 07:20:00 PM
Nice job Mike!  Look forward to the tutorial and pics of the finished shafts.