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Title: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: Nathan Killen on May 26, 2011, 12:36:00 PM
So what do you like and why ?  :coffee:
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Post by: Night Wing on May 26, 2011, 12:41:00 PM
Been shooting aluminum arrows for past 47 years. Aluminum; for me, is easy to tune, uniform in weight, straighter than carbon, generally cheaper than carbon in cost, doesn't warp like wood and I've never had any durability problems.
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Post by: rbbhunt on May 26, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
Wood is good!!!!
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Post by: featherhorn on May 26, 2011, 12:46:00 PM
I like em all LOL But shoot Carbons
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Post by: PaddyMac on May 26, 2011, 12:57:00 PM
For the 25 years I've been shooting a compound, it has always been aluminum, mainly because I've always been squeamish about breaking a carbon arrow in an animal. But now that I've gone to a recurve I shoot carbons. Quieter. They're either straight or broken. I like the way GT Trads look. I've committed to shooting carbons this year, but over the winter I'm going to make a dozen wood arrows and try them. If I can shoot them accurately enough to satisfy me, then I'll switch next year, almost totally out of aesthetic concerns. And I'm still squeamish about breaking an arrow in a deer.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on May 26, 2011, 12:59:00 PM
I shoot wood, carbon and aluminum. Just depends on the bow and what flies out of it best.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: wtpops on May 26, 2011, 01:12:00 PM
I loved shooting wood but I can't shoot it. I'm too picky, my wife calls it anal. The shafts have to be straight and stay that way, spine has to be the same from shaft to shaft along with the weight and wood just can't do that. Now please I am in no way a good enough shot for the small difference in spine, weight and straightness from shaft to shaft in wood to make any difference in my shooting but I have to make the little man in the back of my head happy     :saywhat:    so back to my favorite shaft aluminum.

Aluminum, always straight, spine the same from shaft to shaft and batch to batch and always weigh the same. I have a spinner on my bench and have become an expert at getting them straight after the shot that didn't go where I wanted it to and when they are too far gone just toss it out and grab a new shaft and I know it is exactly the same as the one I tossed out. Now the little man is nice and quiet.    :thumbsup:    

Too bad I can't get him to shut up about my form. Boy if a guy could bottle good form and sell it he would make a fortune off me.
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Post by: David Mitchell on May 26, 2011, 02:10:00 PM
All of the above....  :bigsmyl:
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Post by: WRV on May 26, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
I shoot all three in this order: carbon, aluminum and wood

Randy
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Post by: JRY309 on May 26, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
I have no real preference,I shoot them all!
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Post by: Berube on May 26, 2011, 02:15:00 PM
I shoot all three but prefer woodies
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Post by: Beanbag on May 26, 2011, 02:32:00 PM
It's like how do you like your TP to come off the roll? Top or Bottom? Which ever works the best! Kinda like I like my politicians!lol Jim G
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Post by: RM81 on May 26, 2011, 02:40:00 PM
I've never tried wood shafts (I'd like to someday), so I can't comment on those.  But out of aluminum and carbon, carbon wins by a mile.  I do foot the carbon with old AL shafts, so I guess I shoot both at the same time?
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Post by: Tree Killer on May 26, 2011, 03:21:00 PM
Wood for the last 25 years.    :archer:
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: durp on May 26, 2011, 03:29:00 PM
ive tryed them all...and always come back to wood...

wood worked in the 60's and still does for me...take the time to match a good set of woodies for broadheads...get close and enjoy the steaks...

use the rest for stumps and birds or what ever gets in the way!!!
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: ishoot4thrills on May 26, 2011, 04:10:00 PM
Carbon. More durable than the others. Some like aluminum because they say they're cheaper. Not so. The durability of carbon trumps the lower price of aluminum because carbon outlasts all others, so you save in the long run. My carbons are straighter than my flaws also, so that's a non-factor as well. I think my Bemans are .003" straightness tolerance. Not too bad. What's the tolerance on XX75 aluminums?

I shot aluminum for several years and got tired of them bending and getting dents in them, making them useless.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: RM81 on May 26, 2011, 04:40:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ishoot4thrills:
I shot aluminum for several years and got tired of them bending and getting dents in them, making them useless.
I didn't shoot them that long, but I did learn the same thing pretty quick.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: wtpops on May 26, 2011, 05:29:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by ishoot4thrills:
Carbon. More durable than the others. Some like aluminum because they say they're cheaper. Not so. The durability of carbon trumps the lower price of aluminum because carbon outlasts all others, so you save in the long run. My carbons are straighter than my flaws also, so that's a non-factor as well. I think my Bemans are .003" straightness tolerance. Not too bad. What's the tolerance on XX75 aluminums?

I shot aluminum for several years and got tired of them bending and getting dents in them, making them useless.
XX75's are .002 and XX78's are .001 Some carbon brands messure only a certin % of the shaft. Easton uses the hole shaft. O and Beman is an Easton arrow.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: Jake Diebolt on May 26, 2011, 05:37:00 PM
I shoot aluminum. Mostly because I'm used to them and know how to work with them. Plus they're relatively cheap.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: highPlains on May 26, 2011, 07:28:00 PM
I shot wood and some aluminum most of my life. The old carbon arrow concerns are still around, but are not necessarily true of the better carbons on the market today. The newer carbon arrows don't have the same problems as the old ones, namely inconsistent spine depending on how the arrow is rotated, inconsistent weight, and splintering inside an animal. In a quality carbon arrow these problems have all but disappeared. Are they as straight as aluminum? Maybe not yet. But how many can shoot the difference? And if you can, how much of a difference does it make? For a traditional archer/hunter the difference (if there is one) is negligible.

This is not my opinion, this is a statement I heard: According to Rod White, Olympic Gold Medal archer, only world level caliber archers can shoot the difference between .004 and .001. I've offended a few guys sharing that statement, but I'll take his word on it since I sure can't shoot the difference. I don't mean to offend anybody on here who disagrees, but I share that because I think it is relevant for the average trad hunter.

I'm not trying to sell anybody on carbon arrows by any means. I have only killed two big game animals with a carbon arrow and a boat-load with wood. I don't think I'll ever shoot aluminum because I see no advantage (for me) over carbon. I don't like messing with straightening an aluminum arrow, and I bend them too often. It is easy to get a carbon arrow up to whatever weight you want to if you so wish, so the weight advantage that aluminum used to enjoy is no longer as big of a concern. I never had to re-fletch my wood or aluminum arrows because they broke or bent before I wore out the feathers. But I've got 7 out of 12 CX Heritage carbon arrows left from 1.5 years ago. I have re-fletched them four times. I lost 5 of them but haven't broken one yet, and they definitely don't bend or warp.

I love wood arrows and though I've been shooting carbon the last year and a half, mostly for convenience sake, I plan to go back to my woods. It's the process of making them I think that I enjoy the most.

They're all good! I say to shoot what you have the most confidence in, or what you can get to fly the best for your setup.
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on May 26, 2011, 08:14:00 PM
Wood since 2006, They just seem to work best for me.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: K. Mogensen on May 26, 2011, 08:31:00 PM
Aluminum. Too easy.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: hvyhitter on May 26, 2011, 08:38:00 PM
Aluminum 90%, its simple ,easy to build and tune, and it always works.

Wood 10%, its just more fun to make great looking wood arrows to shoot from hill bows.

Carbon 0%, its an answer to a problem I've never had. Too limited in spine and weight ranges.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: ishoot4thrills on May 26, 2011, 09:07:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by wtpops:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by ishoot4thrills:
Carbon. More durable than the others. Some like aluminum because they say they're cheaper. Not so. The durability of carbon trumps the lower price of aluminum because carbon outlasts all others, so you save in the long run. My carbons are straighter than my flaws also, so that's a non-factor as well. I think my Bemans are .003" straightness tolerance. Not too bad. What's the tolerance on XX75 aluminums?

I shot aluminum for several years and got tired of them bending and getting dents in them, making them useless.
XX75's are .002 and XX78's are .001 Some carbon brands messure only a certin % of the shaft. Easton uses the hole shaft. O and Beman is an Easton arrow. [/b]
Yes, I know Beman is an Easton arrow. That's fine with me. I don't have a problem with Easton. It's just that I don't like using aluminum arrows any more for myself.

Like I said, not much diff in the straightness either.

If there's one thing aluminum arrows have going for them it's the ease of which they are to work with. Like how easy it is to change inserts without damaging the shaft. I do miss that.
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Post by: smokin joe on May 26, 2011, 09:42:00 PM
I like arrows. i started shooting carbon a year or so ago and I am impressed with the performance. But, I like aluminum too (I wish they still made the Autumn Orange ones). And there is nothing like the satisfaction of shooting a well-crafted wood arrow. Heck, I just like arrows.
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Post by: Wannabe1 on May 26, 2011, 09:56:00 PM
QuoteHeck, I just like arrows.
Well said brother! Dresses 'em up and they all look good!   :D
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Post by: Outwest on May 26, 2011, 09:57:00 PM
I like alunimum to.                         Mostly because I have been shooting them for so long I have a good understanding of which size works with different bows for me.
Tried carbon and wood and seem to wind up with several sets of arrows that do not work for me.

John
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Post by: Javi on May 26, 2011, 10:05:00 PM
I've made the commitment to shoot wood from my longbows for both target and hunting... To me there is just something special about a longbow and a wooden arrow..
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Post by: Bow Bum on May 26, 2011, 10:25:00 PM
Aluminum is too easy to work with for me to switch back to carbon. Aluminum is just too easy to manipulate in the tuning/tweaking process.

The durability thing is a non-issue for me. a 2018 really seems to take a pounding. Heck, shafts that arent' perfectly straight still work well for FP's and target practice.

B
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: wtpops on May 27, 2011, 10:08:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by ishoot4thrills:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by wtpops:
 
QuoteOriginally posted by ishoot4thrills:
Carbon. More durable than the others. Some like aluminum because they say they're cheaper. Not so. The durability of carbon trumps the lower price of aluminum because carbon outlasts all others, so you save in the long run. My carbons are straighter than my flaws also, so that's a non-factor as well. I think my Bemans are .003" straightness tolerance. Not too bad. What's the tolerance on XX75 aluminums?

I shot aluminum for several years and got tired of them bending and getting dents in them, making them useless.
XX75's are .002 and XX78's are .001 Some carbon brands messure only a certin % of the shaft. Easton uses the hole shaft. O and Beman is an Easton arrow. [/b]
Yes, I know Beman is an Easton arrow. That's fine with me. I don't have a problem with Easton. It's just that I don't like using aluminum arrows any more for myself.

Like I said, not much diff in the straightness either.

If there's one thing aluminum arrows have going for them it's the ease of which they are to work with. Like how easy it is to change inserts without damaging the shaft. I do miss that. [/b]
You are 100% correct in  not much differance and so is highplains about not being able to shoot the differance. As for me the way i shoot i could most likly shoot a crooked broom stick and the stratest aluminum shaft and not be able to tell the differance.  :knothead:  

Also i mentioned Beman as an Easton product meaning it being a quality shaft.

In my past posts i had no intent to bash or put down carbon shafts it is a very good materal. I was just trying to explain my mental block and why i shoot aluminum.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: ishoot4thrills on May 27, 2011, 10:17:00 AM
wtpops,

I, too, am particular about shooting arrows that are even only slightly bent. I figure that, at the least, I need my equipment to be right for me to have a chance at shooting to the best of my ability. That way, when I miss the mark, it's all me and not the fault of a bent arrow.
Title: Re: Wood, Aluminum or Carbon, Whats your preferance ?
Post by: longarrow on May 27, 2011, 10:20:00 AM
If I'm gonna shoot a Trad setup it's going to fling WOOD arrow! Tryed the carbon route, didn't look right, couldn't get the weight right!! Tryed the Alum route and they sounded like my Cummin's Diesel engine when I shoot them!! WOOD is the way to go!!
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Post by: highPlains on May 27, 2011, 10:53:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by wtpops: In my past posts i had no intent to bash or put down carbon shafts it is a very good materal. I was just trying to explain my mental block and why i shoot aluminum.
You bet! That's a valid reason to stick with aluminum! Definitely shoot what you have the most confidence in. You don't want to let something be an impediment to your conscious as you draw back on an animal, regardless if the concern is real or not. If it's real to you, it's real.
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Post by: cahaba on May 27, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
I shoot carbon and have just started messing around with wood. all 3 materials have their good and bad points. Never could handle the sound of aluminum. Aluminum does shoot good and is easy to tune. There is no perfect arrow.
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Post by: BowMIke on May 27, 2011, 11:41:00 AM
I have found carbon to be the most durable. I really like the Beman MFX Classic's. For lighter bows I have been shooting Easton St Epics. I like them, but not nearly as durable.
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Post by: Shakes.602 on May 27, 2011, 01:05:00 PM
Wood  IS  Good!!  :thumbsup:   Cost of Wood Dowels VS Aluminum, Plus I can make them the Way  I  Like them!!  :goldtooth:    :archer2:
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Post by: Hoyt on May 27, 2011, 01:06:00 PM
Started with wood went to aluminum and now skinny carbons. I like the carbons best...they last a lot longer for me.
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Post by: illianabowhntr67 on May 27, 2011, 01:31:00 PM
Carbons for me the durability outweighs any negative.
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Post by: GWC on May 27, 2011, 02:28:00 PM
iv got a set of aluminum arrows iv been shooting lately out of my longbow and they shoot good.but im having some wooden huntn arrows being made right now,just think that if im gonna shoot a traditional bow,then the full experience would be shooting a traditional arrow.iv killed a rabbit with that set-up but cant wait to get my deer with it.
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Post by: SuperK on May 27, 2011, 02:47:00 PM
I started out with a recurve and aluminum waaaay back in the '70's. Killed my first deer with aluminum. (still have the arrow).  Went to wood about 20 to 30 years ago because of the price and the fun/challenge of making your own arrows.  I've used cedar, norway pine, poplar, ramin, douglas fir, sika spruce and probably some other woods.  I never could figure out why some arrows would shoot a field point great but only so-so with a broadhead.  
Rediscovered some 2016's a few years ago and I was amazed at how much more consistent my shooting was!  I was equally shocked that any broadhead that weighed about the same as my field points few great too.
Hunted with wood and aluminum off and on for the past couple of years.  I noticed that I used the aluminum more and more.  I had more confidence in them.  Also re-learned how nice it was to unscrew a broadhead that was buried in a root or tree and not have to worry about setting the woods on fire trying to free my wooden arrow from the broadhead.
Since Stu Millers chart came out, I have tried and fell in love with Goldtip Trad carbons.  In my mind they are tuffer than alum. and fly even better.  I shoot the blems that Big Jim sells so they cost about the same as Easton Blues and good wooden shafts.  
I gave my buddy all my "wooden-arrow-making-tools" the other week.  I ain't gonna be needing them no more.  Thanks for letting me ramble on and on.....God bless 'ya.
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Post by: JamesKerr on May 27, 2011, 06:49:00 PM
carbon It's tough and always straight
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Post by: mrpenguin on May 27, 2011, 09:33:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Wannabe1:
I shoot wood, carbon and aluminum. Just depends on the bow and what flies out of it best.    :thumbsup:  
I agree. When I had a savannah, I could not get anything but carbon to work. Now I shoot Martin hunter that just loves woodies. Personally, I prefer wood. That said my experience with wood is that it's really fragile and kinda temperamental but man when it flies well, it's like magic in the air!
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Post by: mrpenguin on May 27, 2011, 09:34:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Wannabe1:
I shoot wood, carbon and aluminum. Just depends on the bow and what flies out of it best.     :thumbsup:  
I agree. When I had a savannah, I could not get anything but carbon to work. Now I shoot Martin hunter that just loves woodies. Personally, I prefer wood. That said my experience with wood is that it's really fragile and kinda temperamental but man when it flies well, it's like magic in the air!
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Post by: thunder1 on May 27, 2011, 09:39:00 PM
I've shot all of them. Prefer wood but shoot a lot of carbon. Hate breaking a good wood arrow that's been all painted up.
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Post by: JParanee on May 27, 2011, 09:53:00 PM
carbon till theres something better