At the recent Compton board meeting one of the lively topics of discussion was how we can increase awareness and membership in Compton Traditional Bowhunters.
I'm just curious how many of you already belong, and more importantly for those that don't, what might make it more attractive for you?
One area we hope to improve on is people who attend the rendezvous in June. It amazed me to find out how many attend this great event yet don't support it by joining as a member. We're looking into trying to change that in a positive way.
Compton Traditional Bowhunters is much more than just the rendezvous though, and we also want to work on increasing awareness of the group in other parts of the country. You certainly don't need to attend the rendezvous in order to become a member, and we will definately be working on promoting membership to people throughout the country.
Your comments and suggestions are sure apprecited, either here or by PM if you prefer.
Whip,
I don't mean to sound like a selfish type, but what is in it for someone that lives in Western Washington State and currently couldn't attend a Compton event, even if he was a member.
Hey as long as they dont support high fences and crossbows im all for them :) . What do they do are just a club of trad hunters kinda like tradgang, or are they something more, btw how old do you have to be to join and what do you have to do to join. Thanks
I am a member because they stand for what I believe in.a stick and a string hunting.Have never been to the yearly gathering but am going to try next year.Also feel like I have something in common with the other members.
Let me explain, I am a member of the Traditional Bowhunters of Washington (or at least I should be), I just wasn't sure if Compton was something different then that or another local organization.
Great Organization that stands for everything we are about in our Traditional sport. Compton spends majority of it's money outfitting youngsters with archery equipment. Great club and everyone should belong. I've been a member for 7 yrs now.
Here's the best reason I can think of - there the only true bowhunting organization out there. In fact I'd call them the only one.
Maybe Compton needs another camping shooting weekend some where in the west.
Bowmania
I would like to attend the Compton event, but even if I can't, I am a member. They believe how I believe traditional archery should be. The newsletter/magazine is worth the price of admission.
what exactly is the price of admission?
QuoteOriginally posted by Bowmania:
Here's the best reason I can think of - there the only true bowhunting organization out there. In fact I'd call them the only one.
Maybe Compton needs another camping shooting weekend some where in the west.
Bowmania
I agree 100%
Been a member for 5 years now.
Charter Member / Life Member
It stands for what I believe in about Archery/Bowhunting and Ethics, Traditional Values.
I joined about 3 years ago. I read up on the organization and decided they stood for the same values as me. Seemed like a no brainer. I attended the rendezvous two years ago with 3 of my buddies. It was a pretty long ride from where we live in Maryland. I really enjoyed it despite the nasty storm that blew down the vendors tent. The next day you could see what this group was made of as no on really complained but pitched in to get things back and rolling as best they could.
Thanks, Joe, for your service to the organization. I hope I can make another rendezvous again some day soon.
Memeber...yes, :thumbsup: why..... because it's a good thing! :notworthy:
I am a member 5 years. They are looking out for Traditional Archery and helping the youngsters!!
New member this year, don't know why I waited so long. Compton supports and promotes ethical hunting with a simple stick and string and passing it on to the next generations. "Technology creep" is everywhere. The idea that all "bowhunters" should band together as one went out the window for me when crossguns were accepted in former archery only seasons. Time to draw the line and Comptons seems to agree with that thinking.
No I am not... why? I don't know why... I guess i haven't had much exposure to them... I had looked at the PBS... Another good organization.
But in the end... I hunt how I hunt and for the reasons I hunt... I haven't hunted whitetails with a gun for over 4 years... However, if the feeling hits me, I'll go to the safe uncase a pistol or take out my old mauser and go hunting... I know for one PBS is one that doesn't allow that of its membership. I am free to do so if I so choose.
I love trad archery, however, I hunt how I do, because I enjoy to. I don't look down on someone who uses a firearm, a mechanical arrow launching device (whether it be a crossbow or compound.) As long as they hunt legally and with a modicum of ethics. I am no better and no worse than any other hunter out there. I am responsible to myself, the game, the hunting community, and the community for my actions in the field. Because I use trad equipment does not make me special.
I think that most folks who hunt trad do so because they want a greater challenge. That the thrill of the hunt has became more important than filling a tag or winning the local big buck contest.
I do not know anyone (to my knowledge) who is a member of comptons who has exhibited this attitude. I just focus on myself and how I hunt. Maybe it is the Libertarian in me. I would enjoy the camaraderie of others and do so... I just don't feel compelled to be part of an organization.
I think most folks in trad archery are great. However, there are the trad police who feel that trad should be done the way they do, only. Metal risers, warf bows, carbon, even aluminum, plastic fletchings, carbon shafts, sights, ILF bows, release aids, and such are verboten!!! I would prefer someone use whatever they need to to keep hunting even if it means a release aid and sight if it keeps them hunting in a manner that they enjoy...
I guess I shun the elitism that I have seen exhibited by some in the trad community, that I feel that I should not be part of any organization.
I see hunting as the endangered sport. I just choose to hunt how I do because of the enjoyment. I have a goal of a primitive season. But when I do so, it will be for myself, I will still be a hunter and not any different from a hunter who carrys his Weatherby rifle into the woods...
I hope I could help explain, because I see enough judgement and criticism amongst trad hunters that I in no way want to be part of an organization that would condemn another ethical hunter much less another trad hunter....
As in most things in life, we the people can be our own worst enemy
Whip- Actually, I've been to their site and agree with the mission statement, the about us tab, they put forth. I can only say that the reason for not joining by now- shear laziness. It's a problem I have and am trying to cure. I have had this problem my whole life, so far, but still working on it. I will try to rectify this situation by the end of the week. Thank you for posting this, as it will help me remember. I probably not be able to attend their Yearly Rendezvous, but membership is support and that is what these organizations need.
Butch L
I have been shooting trad for almost 25 years and really do it simply because of the romance and ease of it. I grew up in Northern MI. around Grayling, so there are "roots" that mean a lot. I also really love to hunt. I am not sure it is about "challenge" to me (good grief- setting up a compound and maintaining it seems like a nightmare to me!) I attended the Compton event last summer and have many many friends and vendor/bowyer friends part of it.
I agree with Slasher on two points: 1) I am first a conservationist and hunter. Legal weapon is not much an issue to me. We can promote trad without being exclusive in our own methods. 2) Not that I am aware of Comptons eliciting an "elitist" attitude, but this does show up some times in the trad world (the archery world in general as well). In Comptons case- the only question mark I have had was why the record book "decided" that a deer taken with a certain methodology was "more" of a trophy than another. I applaud the idea of a record book for recurve/longbows- but why ground versus tree, etc. etc. . Who determines that? Sounds a little like trad-police to me. This did keep me from joining and submitting a number of animals.
I have been thinking about joining though. Is it a good investment of my $$. Not sure yet. Good reminder though. Thanks for asking. I am still watching. . .
Dan
I'm very happy to see a bunch of you already know all about Compton and what it stands for as an organization. And glad to see many members respond so possitively.
As I suspected, there might be some confusion with some on just what Compton is all about. What has always impressed me about this group is the attitude that the best way to promote traditional archery and bowhunting is simply to share it with others.
We have no agenda to knock down others - only to try to demonstrate what a joy the traditional style can bring. The best way to promote our sport is not to criticize another persons choice of gear, but rather to show him or her ours, and give them a chance to try for themselves.
As has been mentioned, Compton devotes funds specifically to youth programs both at the rendezvous in Berrien Springs, and also through financial assistance to a variety of groups around the country. We have purchased and donated hundreds of bows, arrows, arm guards, tabs, etc. for a wide variety of different groups.
Certainly it would be great if every Compton member were able to attend a rendezvous once in awhile, but of course that is not possible for everyone. One of the thing we hope to get accomplished is to expand the reach of Compton beyond the June event.
There are ideas afloat and plans being made to attempt to partner with other groups in various parts of the country. This is still in the early planning stages, and I don't know exactly what direction it will end up taking, but we do recognize the need and desire to have more events and make attendance at one of them a possiblity for many more people. The more members we have, the more viable ideas like that become.
Stay tuned for more details on that one....
I loved the event but just cant do it all the time. The time of year is really tough. It hits dead on vacation times and it's hard to go. Would probably attend more if it was earlier(April/May). Just a thought.
Gosh, this is pretty disappointing. I never figured so many join an organization for what they can "get". I am a life member of Compton because they are THE national voice of the traditional bowhunter. They promote traditional archery. They promote traditioal archery with kids. As one man, I cannot do much, but add my voice and values to thousands more with similar values and much can be done.
I enjoy the rendezvous. I enjoy the magazine. I am proud we have a record book to show mature animals can be taken with a simple stick and string. I would be a member if all these were non existant. It is nice to be part of a group of folks that share common values; that is why I am a member of the Professional Bowhunters Society as well.
I have given my hard earned money to many conservation organizations; DU, RMEF, FNAWS, Pheasants Forever, etc. I did it to help the cause, not to get something out of it.
It is better to give than to receive...
Steve O.....well said! :clapper:
I like your answer Steve :thumbsup:
I think you nailed it.
I have been a member for 5 or 6 years
Well said Steve O :clapper: I would like to say more on that, but I will keep my mouth shut and just say well said Steve !
I went to the Compton rendezvous last year for the first time, I was a first time member before I left for the weekend ! I was blown away with the first class people there ! Just like this forum is run by first class people (and it was a no brainer to contribute to the forum) the same applies to Comptons.
I am not the type to ask what's in it for me, I see what they do for others and I want to be part of that spirit. I want to be a giver, not a taker, one good thing God has tout me with age.
I guess I just answered what's in it for me ! Being part of an old fashioned, true hunters (not shooters) traditional spirit (a giving spirit)
Hard to put it in words ? But if you have to ask Whats in it for me, you do not have the Compton spirit anyways. You would not help someone in need because "hey what's in it for me !"
That's not the Compton spirit.
Well said Steve O. :clapper: A lot of us feel the same way but could not come up with the words. I have been to every rendezvous & been through every storm. I am a life member.
Bob T.
Trying to keep it in a positive light, I think it is a fair question. But what is in it for me, and hopefully a bunch of other good spirited people, is simply the chance to help share and promote the sport that we all love so much.
Some of us take a much more active role in that than others. But you can all help simply by becoming a member, and let the organization do the promoting for you.
Many people love shooting traditional gear, but they may not know anyone personally to take under their wing and help show them the ropes. They might not know how to go about promoting traditional archery. They just know that they enjoy it themselves.
Supporting Compton with a membership is a simple way to give a little something back to the sport that gives so much enjoyment to us. Help us get the word out. Share the feelings that we get watching the flight of the arrow. Help to preserve a simplier, and we think better, way to enjoy bowhunting.
I don't have any grandchildren of my own, but I sure would like to know that traditional archery will be alive and well for many generations to come.
Yep I'm a Charter Member ... I signed up in Glenn St Charles shop many years back when the organization was just getting a start.
Why ... because it's all about Traditional Archery and we need to keep the Tradition alive ! It's been fun and satisfying to watch Compton grow and as they have grown so has Traditional archery.
Whip- A thought that has been ruminating here for a while. . . if I also use a gun, compound, or a cross bow- can I be a member of Compton's?
Thanks
Dan
I'll try and do this as best I can without ruffling feathers....
I am not a member of Compton. Not because I don't agree with it's mission, but as a national organization it seems to me to fall a bit short. Many of my friends are members, to be sure, and I have no problems with that. And I think as enthusiastic trad bowhunters, we all have the same or similar goals to promote what we love.
It's not that I'm not a joiner....I certainly am. I guess I've been waiting to see what more they will do. Outfitting kids with trad gear is great....but we do that here already and have done it for as long as I can remember. And the record book is a "novel" and great idea, and promotes "records" with a much "truer" light source....but I'm not really a record book guy either. So aside from that, and a really great gathering...I'm told....what next?
I was a member of ATHA, because they seemed to have a more pro-active agenda....that seemed important to me. I understand getting good volunteer help these days is tough, especially in such a pro-active type way, though, and perhaps their fate was pre-determined by such, I don't know.
I'm a life member of both my state orgs....the big "umbrella" one which includes all bowhunters, and our Trad one as well. In fact I've served two terms each as president of each....and a whole lot more on the board of the "big one". I taught bow ed in our state as a volunteer NBEF instructor for 18 years. I started up our local club here. I am a regular member of PBS. I'm also a member of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers.....so joining is not a problem for me.
I actively speak and entertain at bowhunting functions across the country, promoting of all things "traditional bowhunting". For free.
I've been privy to some of the arguments and talk around at the time of the "formation" of at first the two national trad orgs....which is now just the one....Compton.
I guess after all that I thought perhaps there would be more. More than just giving away bows to kids....a worthy cause, to be sure....but we do that all across this country on a local and state basis already, and have done it for far longer than Comptons has been in existence. Do we really need a national org for that?
As members, are we asked or tasked to do anything other than that? It's about as easy as membership requirements get....is that what were looking to do with Comptons? Is it just a great gathering and family get-together?
To be honest, I would have joined several times, had it been easier on their website....(there's a easy fix, Whip!) via paypal. I just did'nt take it to the print and mail with a check step.
It's not just Comptons. I have similar struggles with PBS and all the money it raises at times....for what? And I love that organization. At least they put out a great newsletter and attempt to school some of our "shining examples" in our youth leadership. And they are a great resource for state org leaders....and they just claim to be fraternal, but they do much more.
Comptons could do more. In the beginning, with the words of Glenn St. Charles when he talked about formation of a national organization, many of us finally thought we'd get something to stand up for traditional bowhunting, and I'm sorry, but sometimes that means ruffling feathers with other "hunters" who compete with true, yes I said true and it does'nt make me an elitist, bowhunters who worked hard to lobby for their seasons, and ever more have to fight for them against "our brother" hunters. Technology "creep", is a result of silence from us. It went on for far too long.
I'm not saying we have to go out an battle all the time....the states can do that just fine, but leaders, true leaders....need to stand up from time to time and make a few waves, not just do the easy thing....like giving away free bowhunting gear to kids. That's great...but not enough for me to join. I do that all the time on my own.
Here's some ideas....lets see some pro-trad ads run in the big bowhunting publications (not TBM or Primitive Archer, that's preaching to the choir)...the ones that promote the gizmos. Do it with a challenging tone...you know what I mean.
Form a committee to help state Trad orgs in solving issues they may have in their locales....a committee of guys that know a thing or two about fighting the good fight and can help with their braistorming.
Enlist State trad orgs in a affiliate type program, to promote and defend what opportunities we now have against "tech-creep" as someone so aptly named it.
I've been typing long enough, but you get my jist. Also, were there a Compton event out west, I would most likely join as well. Change comes best from within....I'm a firm believer in that. Maybe I will join after all.
Been a member for 3 years now. Would really like to make it to the Rendezvous sometime soon !!!! :pray:
Bill
Very well said Mark. I agree with you 100%. I've been a member almost from the beginning, ATHA as well before they went belly up. I didn't join expecting much of anything from either group. Here in VT, we're kind of isolated from the trad community and I like to stay in touch.
There is strength in numbers.
The Rendezvous is awesome(only been there once)but it`s the PEOPLE that I want my name included with.
While I was at my first rendezvous in 2010, I met alot of people. Some I spoke with long enough to include the question of whether or not they were Comptons members...I was surprised at the number of attendees who were NOT members.
I'm not much of a "joiner." But, I did sign up for Compton.
I look at Compton as what Pope & Young started out as. Nothing against Pope & Young, but one needs a different scoring system because the compound bows are distinctly different than the traditional archery equipment.
I hope Compton scoring turns out through the years to have the same meaning as Pope & Young, as in "Hey, John's deer scored 145 Pope & Young."
That said, there are some problems. What is "traditional?" I happen to be old enough to have read that my equipment was completely "modern" as apposed to, say, Howard Hill who shot "traditional" because my recurve was backed with glass.
And, that doesn't enen get into arrows. I wrote Compton before joining and told them I wasn't "traditional" because of the arrows I shot. They assured me I was okay.
So, if one cannot define it easily, one has to come up with something else. For me, it is the friendly face of bowhunting. It is the inviting words of Asbell and the smile of Fred Bear, who would certainly have been a member.
In the end, it will succeed if there are events, and a positive face.
By way of contrast, I looked at Professional Bowhunters and was turned off by their focus on being "against" things instead of "for" things - specifically their campaign to stop crossbows. I'm not interested in proving I'm better than someone else who decides to live his life differently than I. And, it appeared to me that Compton has avoided that trap.
Bob
QuoteOriginally posted by KSdan:
Whip- A thought that has been ruminating here for a while. . . if I also use a gun, compound, or a cross bow- can I be a member of Compton's?
Thanks
Dan
Abasolutely Dan, we'd be glad to have you. As I mentioned, Compton is more about promoting the allure of traditional archery. We don't want to have crossbows included our archery seasons, but that is another discussion.
Compton's focus is on the promotion of the use of traditional gear. Again, it is the belief that we can be more productive in accomplishing that by showing our way of life in a positive way.
Mark, you make some excellent points, and I can tell you that each and every one of them was a major topic of discussion at the recent board meeting. We are aware of many of the things that need to be done. I'm new on the board of course, but I know that we have made commitments to address many of the items that you mentioned.
As you observed, it is an organization of strictly volunteers, and it may take some time. But I have no doubt we will get it done.
In my opinion, we experienced good growth during the earlier years, but membership has leveled out. It is time to take the group to the next level and work at becoming truly a national organization. As with any group, money to do more things is always an issue. And that is an area that attracting new members can help with. The more members we have the more we will be able to do, both in terms of money and in terms of people who may step forward to help with what needs to be done.
This has been a great discussion, and I really appreciate all of the comments.
My reason for not joining Compton is because I live in Virginia & not only can I not afford to travel all the time to the big events like the Rendezvous I also can only afford to join but so much.
I'm a member of the Virginia Bowhunters Association & with my other obligations to archery & hunt club, I can not afford to keep membership to other associations at this time.
My thoughts are always to support the local efforts before going national because the local groups do more for the local areas than the national groups like Comptons.
I can certainly understand where you are at Eugene. We all have to make choices with the funds we have available, and the local organizations rightly come first.
We will be there whenever you might be ready.
I have been asked where to go to join. Right now the only option is to print and mail in the application form with payment. (You can list a credit card # on the form if you prefer)
Here is the link.
http://www.comptontraditional.com/read.cfm?id=7
I met Marv Cochran at Denton Hill last year. And his wife. They were so nice I had to join. Glad I did. The magazine is small, but worth it. I will re-up in July again.
Life member for the past couple of years. Have only been able to attend one of the gatherings but will try to make it htis year again.
Thanks Whip. I agree wholeheartedly. (Crossbows too- I do no think they belong in an archery season!) That answer takes Comptons up a bunch of notches in my book. I want to promote trad, but not in exclusion/elitism to other things. I really like the positive approach.
Thanks for the thread. It has been helpful to me.
Dan
I've see "Compton" numerous times in the threads but had no idea it was some kind of club. I thought is was just a place to get together where vendors could offer their stuff. And with the get together out of my state I really had no interest in going.
At least now I know Compton isn't just a place to buy trad gear.
I have been a member since the beginning-- and I may never get to a rendezvous (although it is on my bucket list). Simple and clear values and priorities about hunting with a bow. That's why.
Charter Member / Life Member
It stands for what I believe in.
The Board really needs to consider rotating the event around the country to make it a bit more fair and atract new members, especially in light of the info you note that many that attend at current location have not joined the organization.
Not a member. The first thing I look at is, what have they done and what are they doing? It doesn't look like much so far, and as you said, it may be due to a lack of members and money, but simply having a good mission statement doesn't do it for me.
You keep saying that you want to promote Trad Archery by putting it in a positive light, who sees the light?
Steve O, Thank you because you are the first person that didn't assume I had any idea what Compton was. Until you chimed in I had no idea Compton was anything more then another local traditional archery group. I even asked and it wasn't until middle and end of the second page that I get two oppposing views of what Compton does.
I think there is a chance that people aren't joining because you aren't doing a very good job of putting out your message.
That's exactly the kind of feedback I was hoping to receive. We definately do need to do a better job of letting people know who we are and what we are all about. This thread is one way to start that process. We also have a regular article in TBM, and set up a booth at a number of different events around the country.
But of course there is always room to do more, and until everyone knows exactly what Compton Traditional Bowhunters means our job will not be complete.
There are a number of other things in the works, but I'll hold off on the details until they are formalized and receive the blessing of the board. I think it is safe to say that we are trying hard to head in the right direction.
Thanks for your help!
Whip,
I think it would feel like more of a National organization if the annual Compton Traditional Rendezvous wasn't always in Michigan (this is me assuming it is always there but I can't find that much history on it). I go to Northwest Regional Traditional Archery Rendezvous whenever I have time and it rotates from western Canada down to Oregon, Washington and Idaho every year. I can tell you it is pretty exciting when it gets close enough to go up early and stay late without taking too much time off work.
Whip,
One thing I noticed is most people are members of their state traditional clubs, some seem to support that verses comptons. With that observation could comptons somehow come together with a lot of the state organizations, to support each other, most have the same cause.
For an example, I'm a member of the Michigan Longbow organization, it is a trad group, unfortiantly it is longbow only, but play along with me. Could comptons have some special way of working with these local state groups, like let's say my Michigan longbow membership is $25 (I don't remember what it actually is) for $10 more you can also be a Compton member ? The two groups have a lot in common, plus combine forces, the Michigan group would still be there own identity and support their own local events but yet be part of a bigger group who may be able to help them in ways or vice versa.
I'm having a hard time explaining my thoughts, but rather than have 50 or more little trad clubs who are only partly meaningful in their own state, they could be part of a huge organization with lots of members / numbers for a national presence which could do a lot to support traditional archery. Now keep in mind, comptons could not take over the local clubs, that would just not go over good locally, but the two could work together.
After reading my post, I guess comptons could create smaller state by state groups which are all part of the national group. This way people feel they have a local presence, but it also conflicts and possibly takes over the local state by state clubs like Michigan longbow organization.
Just throwing thoughts at ya ! Please sort thru this rambling, some parts should make sense.
Dan
I guess looking at my ramblings again, if comptons had local chapters it would eliminate the talk of " why don't comptons have a rondevue in my state"
Dan
I am a member and have been to two rendevous.......I support them because they truly stand for traditional bowhunting and do a TREMENDOUS amount for kids........
Dan, those are some great thoughts, and very similar to some of the ideas that I have myself. I'm working on something along those lines and sure appreciate the input as we work through the details. Thanks!
It would be nice if they move the rendezvous around. I agree with that. There are a lot of Traditional Shooters in PA who would attend if it were closer.
Keith, I would go further then that. If Compton Rendezvous (I hate French words) came out West, I would go back East for at least one.
Whip, I go to one shoot a year. And that's where I re-up my Traditional Archers of NJ membership. I'm a cash paying kinda guy if you get my drift.
I recently joined PBS, still not sure what they're all about, other than being totally against crossbows but OK with high-tech compounds??...
Comptons sounds more like me.
And,the difference between me and a guy hunting with a Weatherby is about 300 yards. I personally have no problem being an elite hunter.
To be honest I have always thought of them as more of a "back east thing" until hanging out here on this site. I really didn't understand what they were about until lately. I have had a hard time in the past supporting most national organations verses local organations and alot of local groups don't do much for me ether. I guess I have always wonderd if they really help the sport or not and would rather keep the money more local. Now that I'm getting older I can see how fragile my bowhunting intersts are and I am looking for ways to preserve them. I volunteer alot of my time to a archery club that I'm the only active traditional bowhunter just to show others about it. So I guess I should start to look at national groups that actually do supports my ideals. I may be my bad for veiwing it that way in the past but it's how I saw it.
I was a member for a while but did not renew because I did'nt see any reason for ME to be a member, yes I said it, and don't have to justify saying it.. could'nt see that it was a benifit to me. I am a member of plenty of organizations, just can't join them all.
Here in the south there are not as many gathering or organizations as there are up north. If I lived in Michigan or somewhere close I would absolutly be a member. And the fact that Whip is an active member may prompt me to renew my membership anyway... a finer fellow would be hard to find.
All I know about Comptons is that Joe is on the Board and that is a sure sign that things will be picking up! Looks like I will be signing up shortly...
I guess I don't get the back east thing.....I went to the summer doing's 3 years ago....it was 750 miles west of me. That puts it almost in the north central part of the country. Yea , I would like it to be 50 miles from my house but it's not. Still a thing to belong to if you have a desire to support what you love!
I am a life member and have been to numerous Comptons rendezvous, and cannot hardly wait till next month. Have missed the last 2 because of bear hunting in Canada, but will be there as a volunteer this year. It is such an enjoyable 3 days. If you love trad shooting, you will love the rendezvous. There is sooo much to do and see!
I keep struggling with words as I read this, I understand the western folks thoughts of it being to far away, but if it moved around I just don't know if it would be as big as it is. For a lot of people it is an annual thing to go to, I have joined that crowed (yes I'm in Michigan, but it is still close to a 5 hour, 1 way trip for me) if it traveled around like the circus, I don't see it being as big a show as it is. For lots of reasons, one being a first time event just don't get the word out and that's what it would be is a first time event at each location. Some parts of this country just don't have the trad shooters like the michigan / Ohio / Indiana area. And yes Pennsylvania thru New York has some trad shooters to support a big show, but we still didn't solve the western folks complaints.
Whip, I think local chapters need to be created, that would have to be created by the area, Michigan could probably support a chapter, Pennsylvania could support a chapter, probably The greater New York area could, now could Wyoming ? Montanna ? Kansas ? And them are what I consider hunting states. Were back to the west not having support / shows.
What really bothers me is I find myself struggling with the thought of losing the rendezvous 5 hours from me, by me not wanting to let go of that, it puts me in the " what's in it for me group" I don't wanna be there :knothead: Whip, I will remain a member whatever happens because I believe the sport of trad shooting that I love needs national support.
Whip, Good luck with what your trying to do :thumbsup:
Dan
Is there anywhere that a person could view an accounting of the income and expenditures?
Thank you.
I have alot of questions about Compton....To many for this forum Whip.....
I'm a member. Have been for several years. Actually, prefer it over my LOCAL organizations. I feel I can have a larger impact with Compton's than as a "Michigan" member. Compton's supports traditional bowhunter education for kids. The money they send to organizations does not go to JUST Michigan but around the country. The Rendevous is a great way to met and touch base with like minded individuals, and in a way shows that Compton's has a viable, and important mission that could be used to influence game departments or legislation involving Traditional Archery. Ask not what Compton's can do for you, but what YOU can do for Compton's :bigsmyl: I expect this Rendevous to be the best ever, Whip has greatly upgraded the Vendor Liasion position!
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Whip has greatly upgraded the Vendor Liasion position!
I need to find this "Whip" guy and shake his hand at the rendezvous this year. Good luck with your Mission to increase the awareness and membership of Comptons, everyone I met and saw last year at the show was just class act people that I am proud to be around and be a small part of.
Dan
I've been member of the NFAA for 24 years it supports archery of all types. All organization, and clubs are good. Sounds like Compton is another good one.
Not a member. Will get around to joining some time. Just trying to buy my life member to another org already. I support the local club. There's sensible reason in the "more numbers" talk. Might get around to joining comptons. If they took paypal for membership online then I probably would have already laid out some cash.
As a member of the Berrien County Sportsmans Club I was able to help at the very first Rendezvous. After being around some of the Compton people I felt that I had to join in. Many of the club members are not even archers but still belong to Comptons. A great group of people!
I am a member of Compton, this organization reaches out to young and old promoting archery with stick and string. I know you people would like to see the annual gathering out west or to the south and I hope someday it can. But it takes hundreds of volunteers to make this gathering as nice as it is each year. This is not just a 3D shoot, The Comptons is an event, a gathering of friends and family's who enjoy the simple pleasure of traditional archery. If you can attend,the free Friday night chili dinner is worth the annual membership. I will be there this June, I need to renew my membership and see many of the friends I have made over the years. :thumbsup:
I have been a member since the first year & have been to every Rendezvous so far. I go with some non members & the reasons I hear they are not members is where does the money go, "where is the financial statement, how much are these guys making off of this organization."
I guess I wonder sometimes too, it would be nice to have the financial statement in a magazize once a year.
I am not a member of Comptons and do not intend to become one either. I promote traditional archery by mentoring or sponsering bows/arrows for deserving youth myself. So far I sponsored more than 15 youngsters. I teach them all the necessary knowledge as well, because without theoretical knowledge you spend a lot of money with no gain. I am also a volunteer hunting safety instructor for Indiana and influence even more young people by showing them all kinds of traditional archery equipment as well as the real traditional firearms. A lot of kids become inspired to see that archery is not only wheels and sights. I tend to not drive more than 3 hours to shoot 3D or go to shoots, there are plenty around and I won't take vacation time to shoot at foam. I reserve my sparse vacation strictly for bowhunting. When it comes to traditional gatherings, I think shoots like the TN classic are as big as they need to be for me. I am not into huge masses of people like GLLI, Comptons or Denton Hill. Not my cup of tea. I am also a NMLRA member and support like this our gun rights, but I think hunting in general is more under fire, so I rather spend my $$ on the US Sportsman Alliance. This is a professional organization monitoring and influencing legislation which influences all hunting rights. Out of all hunters, bowhunters are a small percentage and traditional bowhunters are a small percentage of this percentage. If the rights of the whole group of hunters are in danger, why spend my money on a particular minority group with basically no economical power behind it to push agendas?
If I support the big group I support my own interests better.
I have read some but not all of the posts above so my comments are really based on the original question. I belong to all my local organizations and am involved in them (attend events, on boards, set up shoots, etc). I am also a member of a few national orgs as well (P&Y, RMEF, NWTF) but they either have local chapters or roving events that has allowed me to attend their events as well. I guess the biggest reason I haven't joined Comptons is I feel like I wouldn't be involved with the org. I don't have the time to travel across the country to the one event. I do have the desire and maybe someday (retirement) will have the time.
I'm a charter member, I'm not in a position to go to the renezvous. I've written two compton presidents to express some of my views about the organization and membership numbers. Not much has happened.
Couple of pet peevs: The website: Gee Comptons could really use this tool effectively, but I've been told as a volunteer organization its hard to keep it up. BS I call. I belong to a local club with around 150 family memberships with a website and we mangage to update our site a least once a month sometimes more!
What would Comptons update their site with? Well for starters put a list out of all the events that Comptons has a booth, table, representation at. When I was in Waterloo at the Expo I was told Comptons was at 4 or 5 events that weekend. Well why isn't that information on the website to let membership and interested folks now about Comptons attempt to be out there nationally?? How much money and equipment has Comptens given out in the last year and to whom?? Put that on the website. Again its outreach, it's giving back, it showing folks you do more than one thing!
I'm not an expert on these things but I do know organizations that are more visible get more of my money.
There are positives to Comptons at others have stated, but the organization needs to let folks know what, where, how much, and so forth to build and grow as an organization.
my .02 worth
Wow! There is a lot of great input - certainly more than I expected, and it is all appreciated.
I'm responding on my phone so it is hard to type detailed responses everything, but I'll do my best.
First, we really don't want to move the current rendezvous. Berriens Springs is a great facility, and after all the effort that was put in to build it up it would be tough to try to start moving it around. I
What I would like to see personally is to add other activities and events in various parts of the country. That of course is easier said than done, but I'd love to see it go that direction.
We have taken some steps, but it is probably best for me not to make a bunch of promises until we get a little further down the road.
As for the finances, I don't have the details off the top of my head. But I can tell you with certainty that not a penny of it pays a salary to anyone. No officer or board member position is paid. The organization is run completely by volunteers.
Again, I'm doing this on my phone so it's hard to go into detail and to go back and see if I covered everything, but I sure do appreciate your input!
I am a long time member and supporter of Comptons, in addition to PBS. I have attended most of the Compton summer shoots in Berrien Springs and plan to be there this year as well. To be quite frank and honest, I am not certain I would remain a member if I did not live close enough to attend the summer shoots. I view Comptons as being primarily a fraternal organization. For most members, the focus is on the summer weekend and magazine. I'm not criticizing, but the magazine is pretty skimpy. After you take out the officer's reports and news on upcoming or past summer gatherings, there is not much left to read. I have not sent in pictures/articles so I shouldn't gripe. Just being a pro-traditional archery/bowhunting organization is probably not enough to sell memberships to those who cannot attend the Berrien Springs shoots. Shoots held in other parts of the country and a beefed-up magazine would do wonders to generate more interest, in my opinion. Doesn't have to be a full-blown affair that rivals the Berrien Springs shoot, just a place for members to gather for a weekend and do some shooting. I would like to see non-members charged more to attend the Berrien Springs shoot as that gives them more incentive to go ahead and join on the spot to pay lower shooting fees.
I am a member of Compton's...but I won't renew this year.
WHY ?
Nothing out West. And apparently no effort to reach out for those potential members.
And really, we have different issues. We have declining mule deer herds and "back east" has whitetails running all over the place. Everyone from auto insurance companies to house wives want to reduce those "pests", and that in part is driving the crossbow issue.
When I had the Helle knife business I soon learned that 75% of bow hunters were (more or less)east of the Mississippi...and that's where Comptons focuses their efforts. And that's as it should be, always gather the low hanging fruit first.
I place my efforts with Traditional Archers of Oregon and our local club.
I did recently join up with PBS and they are having a Portland, Or. event this year. I am looking forward to it.
Bob
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As for the finances, I don't have the details off the top of my head. But I can tell you with certainty that not a penny of it pays a salary to anyone. No officer or board member position is paid. The organization is run completely by volunteers.
I have read numerous times that they stand up for what we believe in, or support what we are all about. A good way of knowing what an organization stands for is to know what they spend their money on. That's why I was asking.
No I am not a member. Why, I really don't know. Sure I have heard of Compton, but never looked into it. Thanks for the awareness Joe, I will be looking into it, and I'm sure we will be in touch :thumbsup:
Turkeys, i'm at my cabin now, and don't have the specifics. But I do know that some of the largest expense itmes are the youth program and membership services (magazine printing, mailing,etc.,). The rendezvous is of course expensive, but we try to make that self supporting.
If you would like more detail please send me a PM and i'll be happy to look it up when I get home.
Certainly we would like nothing better than to be able to do more - thus the focus on increasing membership. The $25 annual dues does not stretch very far, but the more members we have the more we will be able to do. It's as simple as that.
I do understand the thought about we need to do more to attract more members. And I'm sure that will be the case as we continue to grow. The balancing act is that of course it does take more members (and thus money) in order to do more. The Classic catch 22, but it will happen, of that I am confident.
Right on, Mark! Ruffling feathers has always been my trademark!
We make a difference in the local arena. That's where I put all of my efforts anymore. More could be said but that's enough.
I just wish the rendevous was not on fathers day. That makes it hard to attend for me. I would be more likely to be a member if I could attend the gathering on a different weekend.
Wow, if you came on a different weekend, no one would be there! It is my birthday and Father's Day weekend. My pops is happy to see me on any day so one day isn't more special then another. I'm lucky to have a family that supports my desire to attend. I have for the last few years helped vendors move supplies, helped set-up the vendor area, dig fire pits, and help with the kids instructional shoot. What a great way to spend a day, supporting what your passionate about.
I have been a member for 4 years. We need a national organization that promotes traditional bowhunting and archery in a professional and ethical manner. I believe Compton's does that.
I'm a member..4 years now... because I love my sport and this organization helps to preserve it. I like it better than P & Y and PBS because it is exclusively for the trad guy. I like the others as well but Compton represents me completely. I like that P & Y is working with the Boy Scouts and I think it is a great move, Compton should join them. I wish the Rendevous was not 24 hrs away from me via car but i plan to drive again next month. I wish it was not on Fathers day either as I am divorced and have 4 kids under age 13. I am in Texas, wish the event was closer...
I'd like to make one comment here...
I own and operate a business in my small town and county in rural Ohio. 'Everybody knows everybody', as folks often say. After many years of conducting business in the public eye (meaning we're a visible presence here) people still don't know who we are and what we do. They ask what we do, and then say "huh!...never heard of you 'til today". What's my point?
Any group or organization needs to constantly pound their name and ideals into the public's eye. If membership is needed, people must know YOUR NAME, and they must know exactly WHAT YOU OFFER. Having a vague idea or semblance of understanding is not close to enough. Being misidentified, misunderstood or worse...invisible...causes people to walk away. Again: Tell people who you are and CLEARLY define what you stand for, and what you offer for joining.
I say 'offer', because the majority of people don't spend money in order to join a work effort. If you want their membership and money, give them something real and visible in return. The fact is, most people want to pay money and get something for it. If they want to work for the organization later...fine. Expecting them to do work is unrealistic at best. Any organization exists only because of its members, and it must continually strive to attract and please them.
Another:
Any group that professes to be THE national voice of anything has to be willing to move about the country and reach its members. Otherwise it's a regional organization only, all talk aside. Witness P&Y, NRA, SHOT, PBS, BASS and many other groups who routinely move their events around the nation. Keeping any membership-dependent and attendance-driven organization locked down to one spot is a path to regional recognition only, and limits true national prominence. Regional attitudes and preferences will prevail, while the rest of the country remains "out there". The hazard in this is the lack of fresh ideas and thinking. A "same old - same old" perception by the rest of the world will condemn any group to slow obscurity.
That said, how can Compton take a great thing (a well attended summer event, and subsequent recognition) and parlay it into reaching bowhunters around the country? When this happens (if it happens) a national presense may be felt. Until then, I'm afraid a lot of people will always believe that it's just another big traditional bow shoot somewhere in Michigan.
Play it safe? Grow it?
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But it takes hundreds of volunteers to make this gathering as nice as it is each year.
Ok, I'm gonna say it, would there be hundreds even show up out west ?
Dan
"Ok, I'm gonna say it, would there be hundreds even show up out west ?
Dan"
A "No" answer indicating that many western people may see no reason to belong...or that many eastern folks wouldn't travel to attend it. The safe bet is to keep it where it is now. But, playing it safe always, could mean "regional" always. It all depends on what Compton wants to accomplish as an organization. National prominence or regional only?
A great organization (like Compton) must act in great ways.
Maybe three rendevous a year; keep the current one as the primary annual "National" rendevous, with additional get togethers further east and west on other dates? I'd love to attend but two days of driving or the cost (and pain) of flying are just too much of a deterrent for me right now.
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"Ok, I'm gonna say it, would there be hundreds even show up out west ?
Dan"
A "No" answer indicating that many western people may see no reason to belong...or that many eastern folks wouldn't travel to attend it. The safe bet is to keep it where it is now. But, playing it safe always, could mean "regional" always. It all depends on what Compton's wants to accomplish as an organization. National prominence or regional only?
A great organization (like Compton's) must act in great ways.
Kevin, you said it much better than I did, I selected my words poorly, but yet that is the question on the table right now. A very tough decision there, I do understand and agree with our western friends, but I also understand that it would be a difficult decision to dismantle the Berrian Spring show or downsize it and move it to meet the national needs. Whip, you asked a very difficult question if it is answered honestly, a good / stronger magazine might be a better, more feasable way to blanket / cover the nation, plus that would cover the "need" to the question "what am I getting for my money" it probably takes fewer people to do a magazine than it does a show, and that Magazine could cover the nation ( make it to everyones door ) something a show cannot do
Dan
I've been a member for several years.
Earlier someone posted a question about financials which would be great. I'm very confident that funds are being spent wisely but it would still be good to see them.
I guess I would really like to see minutes of the board meetings posted somewhere, whether in the magazine or the website. BTW, election results on the website would be great, too.
To some extent perhaps, the die has been cast. Compton relies heavily on the income generated by the June event. The nature of that event makes it extremely difficult to move around. Impractical at best and impossible at worst. The upshot is an inability to escape the current venue, as long as the June event (camping & shooting) is critical to finances. If you can't leave that region, then you'll be forever identified with it. Michigan and the upper midwest have a proud heritage and tradition of hunting with "real" archery gear, so the current location makes sense.
I simply think this makes Compton activities unreachable for many from the south, west and northwest...all areas which have contributed to the rebirth of "real" bowhunting. For many, Compton can only ever be experienced in print or on-line. Being the hands-on folks we are, that's not enough contact for many.
Possibly getting "local" members to create Compton West or something of that nature. Additional revenue and no loss of its roots, just spreading its wings.
Although there were many good comments made, I feel Kevin definetly hammered the nail on this one. Great ideas, well spoken. Thanks Kevin, and all others that have put positive remarks out that "may" make a difference. :clapper:
I'd like to see Compton's edit the entry for Art Young and his polar bear; he shot one, not two, and it wasn't by stalking. It is a beautiful book, though, and fuels the imagination. I see that they really promote youth archery in a strong way, too, so they seem to me (from this long distance) to be a darn good organisation and group of people.
There is an annual trad only shoot in Petaluma California sponsored by the Traditional Archers of California, which attracts several hundred shooters and is far and above the best trad only shoot I've ever attended. The event is held at the Dutra family farm, and people mainly camp there for 2-3 days of the event. There are always a lot of vendors, and people have a great time. I've never attended the Compton event, but it sounds very similar.
The thing is, the Dutras aren't getting any younger, and everyone just keeps their fingers crossed that they will be up for it for another year. If they decide someday that they don't have the energy for it anymore, maybe there are other folks within TAC who will step up to the plate, and maybe there are other places where it can be held....or maybe not.
It seems to me that if Compton wants to expand and become more of a national presence, it would be a good idea for it to seek out and become a part of events such as the Petaluma shoot that are currently very successful, but may not last forever unless ways are found to carry them on into the future.
Have been following this thread on and off for some time.
I joined, at the Pope and Young Banquet, I think this is the second time I have been a member, am also member of PBS,
Why? While Compton's stands for those things, and values that believe in, I am curious to see how and what they are willing to do to preserve them. I know that Compton's is great for "here's my bow, come shoot it and see whats it's all about.
So, I guess in a nut shell, there is my answer............
I only meant it would be easier for me if the event was either the weekend before or after father's day. My family supports my hunting needs, but Father's day is just a bad weekend for me. We have a long standing tradition of going fishing that weekend every year. This tradition was long established before I ever heard about Compton.
On the flip side, Compton was long established before I was into archery at all. I still believe it is a great club and would like to join some day.
This has been a fantastic thread for me and is more than I even hoped for when I started it. Great feedback and answers to a tough question.
Many of the things that were suggested here were the same things we talked about at my first board meeting. I am very confident that you will be seeing some real positive changes in the future. Obviously it is not just up to me, but I do think you are going to be very impressed with what you see from Compton going forward.
Please do try to keep in mind it is a relatively small and completely volunteer group, and change will take a little time. We of course need to work within the constraints of the budget available, and some things will simply require more patience than we would prefer. But the tone of the board, without a doubt is that now is the time to take the steps needed to make Compton a truly national organization representing bowhunting around the entire country.
Your thoughtful input and suggestions are genuinely appreciated.
Thank you! :notworthy: :notworthy:
Whip,
I've been a Compton member since 2002 if I recall correctly. One of the main things I enjoy about the organization is their positive attitude. They promote what they enjoy without degrading everything else. I've can't remember ever once opening their newsletter and reading a diatribe about compound bows, one hunting method versus another, or how they think they're better than someone else. There seems to be a total lack of elitism, and I find that very refreshing.
I belonged to ATHA. From the start of Compton's there seemed to be a feeling that they were out to put ATHA out of business. Just my perception. I have not joined Compton's for reasons that have been eluded to here a couple times but I will put it bluntly. If Compton's wants to be a National organization they will have to act like one. They can not sit on there Laural's and sing come join us we are the greatest. They need to go to the shooters not expect everyone to come to them in Michigan. Even the Vatican has events at multiple locations.
This has been a very informative post for me, and once more the members of TradGang kept it civil, which made it keep my interest.
I'm not a member simply for the reason that I don't know much about it, and never took the time to look into it.
I've been tooling around with joining a Trad org for awhile now, and this post is giving me a little more in site on Compton's.
Whip, this is my first interaction on Tradgang or any other forum for that matter. This has been extremely informative. If you look at the big picture there is no denying the progress that has been made with Compton over a short 11 years. Everything that is worth while takes hard work dedication and just like bowhunting, patience. We need to insure everyone that expansion to the rest of the country is on the top of our priority list. We need their help to make it happen. Great discussion. Dave Jarvis
Welcome to Trad Gang Dave. Pull up a stump - I think you might like it around here! :thumbsup:
I am thinking about joining but I have been for several years. I do support a few national organizations and a few state. I think a good example is the National Wild Turkey Federation which I support some by supporting my local and state chapter. I think it would be great if I could support a local/state chapter with most of the money staying local to support the education and growth of traditional archery and a small piece go to support the world of archery. Is that what Compton wants to do, I am not sure. Is there a way to bring most of the local/state traditiaonl archery groups together, sure if they can see the reason why.
Uglyjake, that is hillarious, I have shot alot of those! Most of us support alot of different organizations that support what we believe in, whether it be to support wildlife conservation or hunting of all kinds. The great thing about Compton is it is a organization dedicated to protected and preserving traditional bowhunting, not only nation wide but world wide. Compton is made up with members of all 50 states, every province of Canada, France Eangland,Ireland and Germany. One of the greatest things about Compton is their dedication to introducing traditional archery to the youth. Their willingness to donate equipment and funding to traditional programs anywhere is our main objective. All that is needed is a request. Anyone with such a organization in mind needs to contact a board member.
Uglyjake, your question about forming chapters is a good one. Something like that might very well be the way to grow the organization and really spread our wings.
At the next board meeting a committee will be presenting a proposal of an idea that I had. It is a little early to be talking about it yet here until we get details worked out and receive board approval, but involving local groups in various parts of the country is the goal. Chapters might be a great way to approach that.
I will be keeping everyone here informed as we move forward. One of the jobs I have been assigned is to help keep people on forums like this one informed about what we are doing and keep Compton Traditional Bowhunters on your mind.
Whip,
So far... goal accomplished! I really like the idea of local or state chapters. Keep working hard, you are doing a great thing!
I'm a member and a member of our state organization. Add me to the list of those that think the rendezvous should be rotated around the country.
I think Compton Traditional Bowhunters is a good organization, that appeals to a lot of people, and serves it members. But it is not a national organization, because it does not address issues on a national level. It may not be in their best interest to try to become a national organization, unless they are willing to adopt a mission and goals, that appeals to a broad spectrum of the public. This would be a very difficult task, that would consume much of their time and resources.
There are a few national organizations that appeal to different groups like traditional bowhunters, hunting, and shooting public, in defense of liberty and the 2nd Amendment (NRA, GOA). There are organizations that have a strong regional appeal like the NWTF, and RMEF, and then there are state and local organizations.
If you look at what is happening in the economy, with jobs and inflation, there is a case being made that supports local, state and possibly regional events, and less for national organizations that duplicate those efforts.
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If you look at what is happening in the economy, with jobs and inflation, there is a case being made that supports local, state and possibly regional events, and less for national organizations that duplicate those efforts.
Hud, I agree with your thinking but freedoms, rights & traditions are taken away at the national level, not so much at the state level.
Dan
Hud, not to argue a point, but I do think that Compton's stated mission is broad enough in scope to carry us well beyond a regional organization.
From the Compton website:
".... the thrust of COMPTON TRADITIONAL BOWHUNTERS would be the promotion of traditional archery, it's equipment and it's ideals. This would be accomplished by educating, preserving, and advancing the public's awareness of the American, Native American and European heritage of traditional archery, as well as by putting forth the positive aspects and enjoyment of using traditional archery equipment, in the field, in games, and in bowhunting. Everyone...young and old alike, current shooters and non-shooters, both modern and conventional equipment users would be targeted."
Those stated goals know no boundaries. We have accomplished a lot in the upper Midwest through the rendezvous, but in my mind at least it is time to spread our wings, and spread the word, in many other parts of the country, continent, and even the world.
Others have mentioned the possibility of forming chapters, and who knows, maybe that is the way it will grow. If so, it is not hard at all for me to imagine a chapter in Germany, or Italy, or
Australia, or..... anywhere bows can be legally shot!
Concepts like that sure aren't likely to happen overnight, or next year for that matter. But I don't know why we would close the door to it ever happening.
If you haven't noticed, I tend to dream big! :D :archer:
I'm not a member mostly because I though Compton's was more of a regional organization, not national. Being from the west, I haven't seen any real interaction by Compton's with the states I hunt. Besides giving away equipment, which is a great thing to do, what has the organization done to promote trad archery on a national level?
Maybe one way to get more exposure would be to have an event in the West, keeping the big event in Michigan. An event like Western States, which seems to struggle, could benefit from either a partnership or being taken over completely by Compton's. Being able to join directly on the website would go a long ways as well, lets face it, people these days don't want to deal with snail mail.
Yes I am. Why? Because they promote archery to families and kids. What a great gift to pass on.
Bill Wright
The rendezvous is my yearly vacation. And yes, the fact it's on Father's Day sometimes creates some stress when the vacation schedule is being passed around at work. But it's my annual trip (well, 6 of the last 8 yrs) despite it being 12 hours from southwest MO.
No, but I should be and I have no reason to justify not being a member. Guess I should step up and do it.
No, but I have thought seriously about it. I have supported my local clubs.
Looking at all of our volunteer organizations, a major problem, that has already been stated but needs to be emphasized, is that very few people want to volunteer anymore. I see that everywhere.
The, "What's in it for me?" syndrome is pandemic. I see the Lions, the Eagles, the VFW, the Junior Womens League, the PTA, etc., all in my rural town of Montana, often struggling to find anyone willing to serve to benefit their community.
I am "NOT" pointing fingers, as I value my time as much as anyone. It just makes it very tough to run an organization without a very dedicated group willing to sacrifice, time, energy and money.
I like the idea of Comptons, over PBS, that I can still gun hunt and be a member. My kids gun hunt and I still love to go with them, though my own hunting is 95% bow only.
I've talked myself into joining Compton. I will never make it to Michigan, but a couple of bucks can't hurt, and it least it is one more person on a list that supports traditional archery.
Does Comptons have bylaws? Couldn't find them on the website. How about a mission statement? Specific goals? I really haven't thought about Compton's as an org to join in a long time. I just don't know much about it other than some threads about the Rendezvous. I can't really get to the Rendezvous because it's always the weekend after Cloverdale.
Great group...! Traditional bowhunting support and promotion at its best. If you love traditional bowhunting you should be a member. I am still impressed by the Archive concept with Comptons. I joined in 2006 (many years late BTW)after I realized what Comptons was all about.
I am not a member...yet. I have been thinking about attending this years event. I belong to Michigan Traditional Bowhunters, MUCC and a local Conservation club. My local Conservation Club is affiliated with Michigan United Conservation Clubs so there is one annual fee. I like the idea of state Trad clubs being affiliated with Compton. I have other hobbies and use to support their clubs, but it seemed like every time the mail came there was a bill for dues. When the economy took a crap in 2009 I had to let some of the memberships go. I had to ask myself"What am I getting out of this". Compton looks like a great group and I will probably join.
John, not sure if this meets the definition of "Mission Statement", but as I posted above, copied from the Compton website,
'....the thrust of COMPTON TRADITIONAL BOWHUNTERS would be the promotion of traditional archery, it's equipment and it's ideals. This would be accomplished by educating, preserving, and advancing the public's awareness of the American, Native American and European heritage of traditional archery, as well as by putting forth the positive aspects and enjoyment of using traditional archery equipment, in the field, in games, and in bowhunting. Everyone...young and old alike, current shooters and non-shooters, both modern and conventional equipment users would be targeted."
It really is so much more than just a rendezvous in June in Michigan. But that is the perception we need to work harder to dispell. The rendezvous is a wonderful event, and we sure want that to continue, but there really is so much more that needs to be done. We are trying to make a commitment to get that word out and let people know what Compton is all about.
I am a Compton member, mostly cause for me it is the right thing to do. They may not be the do all and end all of archery, but they are a really good, family oriented organization. They do some good thngs. Spend one weekend at the Rendezvous and you will see what I mean. I don't live in Wyoming, but it is still quite a haul for me to visit, still I have done so numerous times. I am always amazed at how everybody gets along and pitches in to get things done.
In order to be of national significance, they have to grow. They can't grow if nobody except those "nearby" join. It is my belief that if everybody joined, they can have more than one rendezvous. . . but not yet. Its a dream.
If they grow, we will have someone representing TRADITIONAL ARCHERS. That is something that is really lacking out there.
I know we are all hurting a bit with the economy, and I think it is not done with that part. . but Comptons is really the best game in town for Traditional values and Traditional archery.
The above is just my point of view.
Go ahead and join up.
ChuckC
I would recommend a more formal set of bylaws and plan for implementing the mission. Asking people for money without a clear purpose is a recipe for disaster in the end. Is there anything about the officers, elections, accounting, etc. on the website or otherwise available? I'm not being critical at all, I just would like to know more about you all.
I'm going to join,but like others have said a clearer understanding of their objectives would really help,from my pms with Joe he has some good ideas for the future,and since it is a priority for me to see that my nephews can enjoy the sport I love I've decided to join to ensure they have the right to hunt the way they want.
QuoteOriginally posted by GRINCH:
since it is a priority for me to see that my nephews can enjoy the sport I love I've decided to join to ensure they have the right to hunt the way they want.
:thumbsup: I have the same priority with my nephew !
Dan
Our future is in the kids we teach and nuture into this sport without them we don't have a legacy to share.
"I like the idea of Comptons, over PBS, that I can still gun hunt and be a member. My kids gun hunt and I still love to go with them, though my own hunting is 95% bow only."
I am a PBS Life Regular Member and former Councilman. PBS does not have any by-laws that says associate and/or regular members may not hunt with a gun. Some do. Don Thomas is an avid bird hunter with his scattergun and a regular member. Some PBS members use scatterguns for turkey hunting. We only require that bowhunting is your primary interest.
Grinch, dan d, just exactly what does Comptons do to "ensure they have the right to hunt the way they want to"? How is Comptons engaged in the legal struggles that are the only way such can be insured? Whenever there are legal/legislative issues in our state (crossbow bills for one), I never see ANY of the national organizations here taking a stand--only my state organization, the WVBA. I imagine it's that way in most all of our states. That being the case, it seems to me that most organizations that want to be "national" in scope are going to be largely fraternal--"not that there's anything wrong with that" as Jerry Seinfeld would say. But I don't really need to belong to a national fraternal group that I cannot reasonably get to its meeting--I get lots of fraternal fellowship at my local trad archery club and through my state organization.
It seems to be a clear trend of our current culture that people do not want to "join" organizations. They prefer to just attend when they can/want to, and that way they are not asked to do anything. Whether it's civic service clubs, churches, whatever, the trend is definitely away from joining. Comptons, PBS, and other archery oriented organizations are just experiencing that same trend--the competition for members. We all have to decide where best to invest our shrinking disposable income dollars--for many of us that place is in our local/state groups that are the ones who are on the front lines for our hunting rights and whose events we can probably attend as they are closer to home.
I may as well go ahead and get this little burr under my saddle out in the open. I have been irritated at Comptons from the beginning of their having the rendezvous so close to Cloverdale's traditional date. That shoot has suffered in attendance of both vendors and shooters ever since. They had that date for a long time before Comptons came into being, and to set up the one big event of the year so close to Cloverdale in both date and distance, to me was disrespectful and reflected a lack of concern for the folks at Cloverdale who have worked so hard for so many years to provide a great traditional event for all of us to enjoy. There had to be an awareness that it would negatively impact Cloverdale, and somewhere in there is that fraternal thing being overlooked. Fraternally, Dave. :campfire:
As a person who wasn't even a member back at the time Compton was formed and the first rendezvous conceived, I am sure not qualified to address that one Dave. If I tried I'd be guessing, and no sense doing that.
As for Compton not being involved in the local fights, that is very true. Our purpose in existence is all about promoting traditional archery, rather than opposing modern equipment. While we can and have taken stands on equipment, techniques, and concepts that are detrimental to the future of bowhunting, being a political force is not our mission.
I certainly know there is a need for organizations to fight those battles. And absolutely, I do think that bowhunters should be members of their own local and state clubs and organizations, and if it comes down to making a choice of one over the other, then the local/state organization is probably the way to go if you have a good one.
I do think there is a niche and a need for a variety of organizations with different focuses, goals, and objectives. No one organization can do it all and be all things to everyone.
I belong to a number of different hunting related organizations, as do many bowhunters. Each one offers something different, and that is why I don't just choose one.
QuoteOriginally posted by John Scifres:
I would recommend a more formal set of bylaws and plan for implementing the mission. Asking people for money without a clear purpose is a recipe for disaster in the end. Is there anything about the officers, elections, accounting, etc. on the website or otherwise available? I'm not being critical at all, I just would like to know more about you all.
That's kind of what I was getting at when I asked if there was a place where you could see an accounting of income and expenditures.
What is it that Compton is doing to promote traditional archery? Where does the revenue go? I'm guessing the rendezvous is a money maker, not an expense. It would be nice to see what specifically is being done to promote the sport.
Nothing negative or accusatory, that's just where the rubber meets the road. How much is coming in, how much is going out, where does it go, and how does that promote traditional archery.
Turkeys (and John and others with the same questions) The financial information concern is definately one that will be taken up. There is nothing to hide, that's for sure, and you bring up good points.
The rendezvous certainly should be a source of revenue, although because of the weather problems the past couple of years that hasn't always been the case. The income to Compton is from the auctions/raffles, store sales, and memberships. The camping and shooting fees go to the Berrien Springs Sportsmans club which hosts the event.
There has been a wealth of information and feedback from this thread, and that is exactly the purpose of it. We really do want to know what the concerns are, and will be addressing each and every one of them.
Whip, thanks for your gracious response to our comments, questions, and opinions. You are a very fine ambassador for Comptons. Threads like this one may just lead me to sign up. :thumbsup:
Thanks to everyone who has shared their thoughts and concerns. The growth and future of Compton can only be dictated by the willingness of traditional bowhunters to get involved. Your thoughts have been extremely helpful. Also if anyone is interested, there is a summary of the minutes from the 2010 board meeting in the summer 2010 newsletter. I believe they are also being printed from the 2011 meeting in our next newsletter. If they did not make it to the printer in time for publication, which I am sure they did, they will be in the fall edition. Thanks, Dave Jarvis