Okay can someone help me translate the california regulations instead of stating a draw weight like 45lbs it says a bow has to be able to cast an arrow horizontally for 130 feet, what bow weight does this? :dunno:
Horizontal or not, all hunting bow weights from 30# and up can cast an arrow 130 feet. To sum up, 130 feet is just 43.33 "yards".
I would imagine a 25# bow could easily cast an arrow horizontally for 130 feet (43.33 yards), but I wouldn't go bowhunting with it.
No arrow at any speed below infinity stays horizontal for 130 feet, or any other distance, as long as gravity still works.
so do you think a mid 40ish recurve shoting about a 10 gpi arrow would be fine
Horizontal as in 130 of horizontal travel, not a horizontal arrow track. It's woreded that way to prevent someone shooting straight down out of a treestand 100 feet in the air and claiming that's 100 feet of travel.
It's 130 yds!!
I just looked up the regs.
"No bow or crossbow may be used which will not cast a legal hunting arrow, except flu flu arrows, a horizontal distance of 130 yards."
Mike
Mike is correct. No broadheads narrower than 7/8ths, and bow must be able to shoot an arrow 130 yards. No weight specifics...
Yep looks right to me got them right here
QuoteOriginally posted by beachbowhunter:
Mike is correct. No broadheads narrower than 7/8ths, and bow must be able to shoot an arrow 130 yards. No weight specifics...
Hey Beach hows it going. If im not mistaken and i could be the regs state that the broad head my not pass through a hole 7/8 inch in diameter.
I am to lazy to look it up so to all that need to know look it up before you take my word for it.
Sounds like here in Virginia.
•Broadhead widths must be at least 7/8-inch wide or expand upon impact to 7/8-inch.
•Bows must be capable of propelling a broadhead arrow at least 125 yards.
bayhunter----if the the broadhead is sharp, and flies straight, and you hit em where your as supposed to, that setup will kill cleanly.
Well i could not help my self had to look it up
"Bow and Arrow Defined: A bow is any device consisting of a flexible material having a string connecting its two ends and used to propel an arrow held in a firing position by hand only. Bow includes long bow, recurve or compound bow. A legal arrow is a broad head type blade which will not pass through a hole seven-eighths inch in diameter. Mechanical/retractable broad heads shall be measured in the open position. No arrow with an explosive head or with any substance which would tranquilize or poison any animal may be used."
Under: IT IS ILLEGAL TO:
"Hunt with bow or crossbow that will not cast a legal hunting arrow, except flu-flu arrows, a horizontal distance of 130 yards. T14-354(f)"
You know...I've never went out to see how far my arrow shoots. I wonder if a 45# with 4-5" feathers would do it....?
Seems sorta weird to classify equipment this way.
Funny how the "arrow" is defined only by the broadhead.
That has got to be the dumbest archery law around. How in the world would a field officer know or measure that one? Just hunt with what you can shoot. I am all for meeting the law, but when no one can measure it in the field you can't really meet it.
QuoteOriginally posted by wtpops:
QuoteOriginally posted by beachbowhunter:
Mike is correct. No broadheads narrower than 7/8ths, and bow must be able to shoot an arrow 130 yards. No weight specifics...
Hey Beach hows it going. If im not mistaken and i could be the regs state that the broad head my not pass through a hole 7/8 inch in diameter. [/b]
Means the same thing doesn't it? :D
i thought we in pa. had some stupidly wrote hunting laws but this one tops most.
remind me not to move to cali.
If it was me, I wouldn't worry about this law. Like someone once said, "Some laws are just made to be broken" and this is one of them. :biglaugh:
Stupid thing is, pretty much all 'proper' bows (ie; not solid glass kids bows) shooting 8-10GPP should be able to easily manage 130yds.
Heck back in England I regularly used to compete in 180yd clout shoots with a 32# recurve! My arrow trajectory was nowhere near the 45º 'optimum distance' angle. Even the kids shooting 18-24lb bows could manage the 120yd Kids Clout without much difficulty
That's interesting Rob.
I guess I can be pretty darn certain I'd be good to go in Cali.
That does seem to be a really stupidly worded law that doesn't accomplish what it was intended to....to make sure hunters could dispatch game "humanely"..
that just doesnt make sense
You guys have to understand this is the "Republic of Kalifornia". It's an entity onto itself. A land of radical leftist thinkers. It's a state that mostly do not permit concealed carry, but one of our two senators and some more notable local politicians do have the coveted permit. What can I say?
I see all these pictures posted, and many are shooting in their own back yards. We have to be careful here. Some cities do not allow that.
I need to clarify my previous post. In the second paragraph, I meant to say "I see all these pictures posted here of TradGang members shooting arrows in their backyards."
What i dont get is how could a dfg officier in the field measure this to make sure people are following the law and would a dfg officier do that?
So tell us, ye who live in more enlightened states, how do your state regulations read for bow poundage?
Guy
QuoteOriginally posted by bayhunter:
so do you think a mid 40ish recurve shoting about a 10 gpi arrow would be fine
Yes. Mid 40ish will do it no problem.
Now go get some meat!
CJ
Ragnorak Forge----Just one of many "dumb" laws in a state where the fish and game laws were made by politicians and not biologists and wardens. This is the state where cougar hunting was banned by a state constitutional ammendment, by means of a ballot initiative.
Welcome to California :(
I have always thought California Fish and Game laws were as clear as mud. :)
I agree with all of you in that it is a stupid way to have the regulation written but like California & here in Virginia & other states that have this type of regulation it is intended to keep most hunters honest in using equipment that is capable of a ethical kill but still have it where some that can not shoot 50+ # bows be able to hunt.
I don't agree with the way it's written but it is what it is, I'd much rather see the regs state a minimum of 40# or something for a hunting bow..
QuoteOriginally posted by beachbowhunter:
QuoteOriginally posted by wtpops:
QuoteOriginally posted by beachbowhunter:
Mike is correct. No broadheads narrower than 7/8ths, and bow must be able to shoot an arrow 130 yards. No weight specifics...
Hey Beach hows it going. If im not mistaken and i could be the regs state that the broad head my not pass through a hole 7/8 inch in diameter. [/b]
Means the same thing doesn't it? :D [/b]
Not really. On 3 blade heads you can have a mesurment of less than 7/8 inch from blade to blade but it still will not pass through a 7/8 inch hole. With all that I dont think there are very many Fish and game guys carring around a washer with a 7/8 inch hole in it to check. :saywhat:
The difference is not much and the reg is strange but this is California after all :banghead:
bayhunter,
I did it.I actually surpassed it,with a 37 lb recurve,at my draw and a 500 grn arrow.
Those archery laws and regulations have been in the books for decades, are very similar to most other states, and of course are open to interpretation.
Yes, California is leftist, but it has little to do with its archery regulations. Some guys just can't wait to say something negative about California. Its getting tired.
I grew up in California and I can say with authority, it has the best weather of any place I have ever lived.
If anybody thinks California is leftist, I suggest you visit San Diego....which I can say with authority, has the best weather in the world and crappy deer hunting.
Washington requires 40 lbs @ your draw length for deer & 50 lbs for elk, moose and other large game.
Ishi was a Californian, as was Saxton Pope, and Arthur Young, and for a good chunk of their lives Chief Compton and Howard Hill.
If I remember correclty, Roy Case was instrumental in creating the archery season in California, and the regulations probably date from his era.
During the few years I lived in SoCal I solo hunted the remote areas of Big Bear for a week at a time. The rangers would stop by every other day to check in on me and make sure I had a cold camp and a license and tag. Bow weight or broadheads never came up but they were pretty amused at me using a recurve.
Traxx im really happy to hear that 37lbs will get the job done now i just need to be able to pull that, the bow im shooting right now is only mid 20s but i also have a bowtrainer that i try to use everyday to build up to a heavier draw weight.
Northwest_Bowhunter i couldnt agree more i just saw another forum where people said it just snowed i felt kinda bad considering it was 60 degrees today :p
Ragnarok Forge,
Page 69 2.a. of the Washington Big Game Regulations states:
"It is unlawful for any person to hunt big game animals with a bow that does not produce a minimum of 40 pounds of pull measured at twenty-eight inches or less draw length."
They meant to say 40 pounds at the individual's draw length, but they didn't quite get it done.
The 50# minimum for elk, moose, etc... seems to be gone.
I grew up in California and I can say with authority, it has the best weather of any place I have ever lived.
Guess that would depend on what part of Ca,you are talking about.Ca,has a very diverse,topography and climate.Everything from extreme high mountain to low Desert.In the part,where i grew up,i can remember twice,haveing snow on the 4th of July.To lump Ca into 1 category,as some have done on here,is foolish and leads me to believe,that some have never been there,before they made such statements.Trust me,there is a world of difference,between ,North and South Ca,not only in topography,but in attitude as well.
Hey, Todd!
I never realized you were on this forum. It's good to see you.
Guy
Hey Guy,
Yeah,I been pretty quiet these days.