Hi Guys,
I would like to hear everyones arrow set ups to put together a 600+grain finished arrow. I am hunting Elk this year and want a a good heavy arrow set up. Shooting a Black Widow PSR III at 27in 52lbs. Thanks :archer2:
J
My Ash arrows are over 600 grn 30"BOP w/160 Grn point.
How long are arrows going to be BOP and what are looking at wood , etc . Asking because just made some that were right at 600 out of fir surewood 70-75 with 29 1/2 BOP with 125 up front for my 54 lb bob lee I draw 29 Just my 2 cent
Sorry all, I am actually going to be using carbon arrows....haven't 'graduated' yet to wood shafts. The whole trad game is newer to me.
Thanks for the posts though.
J
They are not quiet 600 grains, but I will be hunting this September with the following:
CE Heritage 150s (10 gpi) at 28.5" BOP
122 grain Razorhead glue-on tips (with bleeders)
I glue the head to a 100 grain steel adapter
Add a 50 grain brass insert
7" white reflectorized wrap, 3-5" sheild cut feathers for fletching.
I guess you might could go with a 100 grain brass insert and push it well over 600, but you may not get it spined correctly with a 27" DL.
BTW, I shoot a Black Widow SAG (precusor of PSR) 50#s at 25.5" DL. I have NO RESERVATIONS in using this on elk.
Hope this helps. Seems like the heavy hitters go for wood.
awbowman, THANKS that was the kind of suggestion I was looking for on the carbon side. I was also looking at the CE Heritage for an arrow choice. Do you think going with the CE heritage 250 is correct for my set up???
Thanks
J
Man I can't say enough about Heritages. They are TOUGH!!!!!!! I see no need to ever shoot another arrow but CE.
If you go with the 250s, Stu's calculator says 150 gr BH w/ 100 grain insert cut about 29.5" long. It's a place to start.
11.9 gpp and an FOC of 17.9%. I'd say that's a heck of a combination. They would be right over 600 grains also.
I'd give a hard look at a 160 gr Landshark and maybe get to cut the shaft a little.
Heck let me know how it turns out.
My set is not 600 grains either but this is what I'm chasing Elk with
Morrison Shawnee Dakota 51@27
CE 150's 29 bop 50 grain brass inserts 150 grain Manus 4 blades total arrow weight is 510 grains
3-5in shield with 7in wraps. They are darts and hit where I'm looking
I have shot the 250's out of my set up @ the same length, with the same inserts & BH, but they where stiff and they came in @ 560 grains, so with a 100 grain insert, & maybe a heavier BH if needed you might be able to get the 250's to work, and might end up over 600 G's
IMO,shooting a 600gr+ arro w/ your bow will cost you trajectory.If you shoot this setup exclusively for period of time,you will over come your trajectory challenges.
500gr+ will do just fine.
Easton FMJ's, prob 340 or 400 spine in your bow weight with 200-250 up front and a 50-75 HIT adapter should do the trick. I'm going to be shooting a similar set up for elk myself this year. Just waiting on my new zipper so I can bareshaft it.
Agree with overbo. I would stay in the 10-10.5 gpp and save some trajectory. I am not about fast bows having left the compound world, but I do like a flattness in case I miss judge the yardage. If your arrows fly true, you will have plenty penetration with a mid 500 grains.
gold tip 35-55 spine, 100 gr brass insert, 250 grain BH will put you at about 630 geains with feathers and a wrap cap.
If you want around 600 with that setup, I think you should be close with Beaman MFX 500 with a 100 grain brass insert and a 200 grain broadhead. Leave them full length
Hey everyone,
Thanks a ton for all the suggestions, this gives me a great place to start and getting to tune my equipment. Any other setups are much appreciated as well, I like all the perspectives.
28.5" Beman MFX Classics 400's. 100gr brass insert, 200 grain tip
My wife's arrows are 600 grains, 28 inches of Douglas Fir, with a 160-grain Ribtek, with three four-inch fletch. Her bow is 52 pounds at her 26-inch draw length.
She kills Big-bodied Idaho bulls dead with that combination, but her arrows never penetrate the other side.
If you are using carbons, just keep it over 600 grains, use a great two-blade head (preferably 160-grains or heavier) and you should be good to go.
Do not under-draw. At that weight, it's best to put every thing in your favor. Squeeze those shoulder blades man, squeeze those shoulder blades. Elk season only comes once per year. . .
I use 55-75 GT's cut to 28.5 with 100 grain brass inserts and 260 grain points out of a couple of r/d 52 - 53 lb at 27" bows. They are a little more than the 600 grain (about 630) but fly extremely well and hit hard. They also shoot great from a 56# HH Tembo and a 60# St. Charles Pacific yew, both of which are cut farther from center shot than the r/d's.
I killed a 1200# moose a couple years ago shooting a 54# @ 27" Hummingbird LB. The arrow was a CX Heritage 250 with a 50gr. brass insert, a Zwickey No Mercy single bevel on a 100 gr. steel insert. Total arrow weight was about 750. Penetration was to the fletches at 6 yds. as the bull was turning away from me. I believe at that range the arrow was still in some paradox and the moving animal "limited" penetration. 20 yd. recovery. Good luck!!
51 @ 28 (28" actual) w/1/8" cut past center
Victory HV 350...6.7 gpi -29.5" arrow...100 gn insert...300 gn point...615 gn-total... ~32.0% FOC
My FOC calcs are slightly higher than Stu's due to fletching positioned 2.1" from nock throat
Note: These arrows are not grain finished
For your PSR, the set-up the following maybe a viable starting point: Victory HV 400...6.2 gpi -29.75" arrow...100 gn insert...300 gn point...601 gn-total... ~31.9% FOC
A 18 in 1 Rhinehart BH target is reportedly guarenteed for one year. I cut in half and then completely disintegrated mine in less than one month with my 51@28..615 gn...Big Jim 'Big 3's" and 32% Ultra-EFOC set-up.
The only draw back I have incurred is excessive target wear. Thought my Morrell Outdoor Range was invincible. I was wrong.
30 in. CX 250 , 100 grain insert , 145 tip . That is one TUFF set up !
See sig below.
Easton makes a FMJ in a heavier wall and weight called DANGEROUS GAME. They might be too stiff for your set up though.
Hi, Morrison shawnee 60"48@28 - easton axis 500 cut to 28.5 or axis 400 cut to 29.5 all with 300gr up front weight 610 -620gr point on at approx 37yards
Full length Beman MFX w/ the 75 grn. insert & 200 grn. point shoot great out of my 50 lbs. @ 28" setup
31" 2018 with a 200g VPA on the front, 620g.
Eric
ICS 400 shafts, yellow Carbon Express weight tubes, 220 gr Steel Force single bevel broadheads ... worked well 2 of the last 3 years out of my marked 52 @ 27 Zipper
I shoot 27" draw and similar weight and this year's elk arrows are Grizzlystik Sitkas with the brass inserts, wraps, 3 - 5 1/2" sheild cut feathers, and topped off with 315gr Grizzlystik Ashby broadheads. Total arrow weight is right at 600 grains.
29" Beman MFX Classic 400"s with 100 grain brass insert and Centaur Big Game Head. Weighs around 625 grains.
Hi Guys,
Thanks everyone for your input. Great suggestions and other opinions have helped me a lot to narrow down some of my choices and to put together a great hunting arrow. I appreciate all the perspectives, definately helps to see the good and bad of going with a heavy hitter or a lighter weight arrow and flatter trajectory. Anyone else feel free to give more suggetions. Thanks again.
Joel
i bought a set trad only 500's on here 30 bop with 5 gpi weight tubes 125 tips 605
3 rivers made up
My draw is a lot longer than 27 but a 2020 my work out for you
For my 54 lb at 26" elk set up I have CE Heritage 150s with 100 grain brass inserts, 3 5" feathers then stuff the 27" shafts with 30" of clothes line rope inside. On the front I shoot a 2 blade Magnus and total weight comes in around 640 grains.
54#@28" Blacktail VL Elite recurve shooting 80#-85# Surewood Shafts (the best douglas fir!) cut to 29"bop with 160gr heads = 585gr to 600gr.
Interesting combos. Always like to see what others are shooting. I shoot CX's. I started with 250's because Stu's calc. said I couldn't put enough weight as I wanted up front, but I have trouble with the calculator. I found that I can shoot the same weight combo up front with 150's and 250's if the 250's are 1.5" longer than the 150's. Whether your bow is center cut of not will also affect the arrow spine, so start long and shorten the shaft until you get the right length, no matter what shaft you end up trying.