Anyone else kinda annoyed when a thread gets pulled without any direct explanation of why and without any opportunity to appeal the decision?
DDave
to the topic starter and for all to see ...
as specified in the board rules, admins and mods can pull any topic, post or image at any time and without notification.
if you didn't receive notification of a pulled thread or post or image, you surely can email or pm the webmaster, an admin or a mod for clarification.
ALSO, putting up a public topic about forum administration is a big no-no, too.
rob.
trad gang admin.
Nope. (I really hope your kidding)
If it violates the rules, it needs to go I persoanlly dont need any further explanation. the rules we have here are what separates this forum from the others.
Nope! I have even been corrected by email a time or two. No opportunity to ask why, or expectation of an explination. I thanked the moderator for the reminder and dropped it. I like to play with the trad kids here. I have to follow the rules to get to do so.
I look at it like someone is visiting and we are standing in my back yard. If they get out of line with the property rules, I simply say we don't do that here. I don't offer explinations. My friends and family show courtesy and accept that is how it is. If I get push back or grilled with whys and how comes, I tell them to shut it and escort them off the propery with a firm reminder to never come back. Simple as that. I show the same courtesy to my friends and family on their property.
There you have it....well put!!
We have an awful lot of rules on here and what about the situations that are kinda murky, maybe a bit unpalatable, maybe a bit politically incorrect, yet of value for open and honest discussion?
DDave
Do not misunderstand me, I am not trying to start a war of words here, just trying to make a reasonable appeal to people's sense of freedom of speech.
We have seen a continual erosion of that right here in Canada and without due diligence it can happen in your country too.
Remember there are two sides to a thread getting pulled. I never start a thread lightly and without some pretty serious thought about the merits of that thread and I would hope the moderators give it equally serious thought before determining that it is clearly in violation of both the spirit and the letter of the rules.
DDave
Someone has to decide when it is time to pull the plug on a thread that might be offensive to others. Any decision will be questioned by someone. The decisions here have given this site a positive and informative view. If you do not like the site avoid it. I like it.Trying to convince me this site is going in the wrong direction is a waste of time for both of us. Enjoy it as it is. Thanks , One opinion , Roy
There is not a free license to speak anyway you like on a private forum, under the guise of freedom of speak. By all means give your opinion, but understand that if it violates the rules or spirit of the site, and this is determined by the site owner and their moderators, then it may be pulled or deleted. The main things to remember is be respectful of others follow the stated rules for posting and don't take it personal, if you get a thread pulled. It is not about any individual, but the health and direction of the site, as the owner sees it. You are a guest and we are blessed to have such a site. At least that is my opinion.
QuoteOriginally posted by damascusdave:
We have an awful lot of rules on here and what about the situations that are kinda murky, maybe a bit unpalatable, maybe a bit politically incorrect, yet of value for open and honest discussion?
DDave
DDAVE,
Your reasoning (a bit this...a bit that...not too offensive...I've seen worse...etc) is why TG has adopted many rules....to draw a line in the sand.
That line represents the will of thousands of good people which is to know that they, their friends and children will not have to endure what others may consider acceptable but in reality not according to the standard set by TG.
I am surprised you would ask the question having been here for nearly three years..
I mean no offense to you and don't pretend to speak for for anyone else but I like TG just the way it is. I have had posts and threads zapped a time or two because I had apparently stepped too close to or over the line according to the moderators. I am happy they will err to the side of caution and will support them all wholeheartedly without question.
If you want to discuss "marginally acceptable or sort of offensive" subjects it can be done anywhere on the net....but thankfully, not here.
respectfully.....
I see it as a Traditional BOWHUNTING privately owned website that I am allowed to participate on. I have other interests and other places I can visit. I like this one the best so when I am here I don't feel any need to change it to what I would like it to be. It suites me fine and I like how its run. Its a free market, they can run it the way they want and so far the only wealth redistribution that is taking place is freely shared knowledge. Thanks Tradgang.
Thats what makes this site as great as it is, The admin, and mods. throwing out all the junk.
There are other sites for that keep up the good work mods.
If the mods want to take the time to discuss it with you, it is their decision. A privately owned site can do what it wants to. It can be frustrating when it seems that posted rules are sometimes arbitrarily enforced, but it must be a tough job. I don' t see how public arguing/discussing pulled threads with the mods will make the site better.
Nope- it is what it is.
You wouldnt be afforded freedom of speech in my house, you would hastily removed if your words offended me or my family. Why should you have freedom of speech here on a privately owned forum?This is not your site or a site that you have powers over. If you feel offended, sorry but again this aint your house, your just a visitor like me.
This topic has been discussed many times already and it is basically like others have already said, we are guest on their site we play by their rules.
What does this have to do with traditional archery anyway, isn't that what this forum is for? :readit:
The practical reason mod's decisions can't be appealed is that mods just don't have the time to deal with it. I assume they have lives like all the rest of us, and only have so much spare time they can devote to this site.
Another reason is that there needs to be a balance in life between fairness and getting the job done. Take the public schools, for example. Back when I attended grade school, the principal's word was law; there was no appeal. Maybe things were unfair, but people got educated. If you wouldn't get with the program, you got kicked out. Now, things are a lot more fair, but I wonder if the job is getting done?
McDave... Not fair.. more liberal and then there are those "I am gonna sue" folks. As to the education... Its not getting done !!!!
On a privately owned website there is only one side!
If you are not sure about a subject, PM one of the Mods or Terry personally and they will let you know if it is OK or not.
If a post was pulled it broke the rules, no need for any other explanation. The owners and mods of this site decide this and i, we agree to that when we log on, no need for any other explanation.
QuoteOriginally posted by damascusdave:
Do not misunderstand me, I am not trying to start a war of words here, just trying to make a reasonable appeal to people's sense of freedom of speech.
We have seen a continual erosion of that right here in Canada and without due diligence it can happen in your country too.
Remember there are two sides to a thread getting pulled. I never start a thread lightly and without some pretty serious thought about the merits of that thread and I would hope the moderators give it equally serious thought before determining that it is clearly in violation of both the spirit and the letter of the rules.
DDave Quote
People take things way too seriously. This is a fun and informative gathering place for people to talk trad bowhunting ........THAT'S IT! Nothing more nothing less. It is not a political platform, nor is it the place for personal diatribes. If the mods feel a post is not in keeping with the idea of the site, they pull it. End of story, not further serious thought involved. Its a private forum with specific rules and obvious goals.
And the continually questioning the mods actions is what caused the latest deal about the classifieds rules. There are plenty of other forums where you can run a muck, so feel free to migrate there. TG is well moderated and controlled, giving the members a safe and enjoyable place to learn and teach, and share. That's how we like it.
OP, this is not directly at you personally, just at people in general. There has been a lot if questioning and complaining which detracts from the sites obvious appeal.
JMHO, YMMV
Fin
I agree with the rest, this is a private domain owned and operated by private individuals. Freedom of Speech and other "Rights" don't apply here. Izzy said it best.....This is not our house so we must abide by the Home Owner's rules or we will be asked to leave. Judgments that some may question as silly makes no difference because in One's own House, only that One makes the rules no matter how silly they may seem to others.
I have had my posts yanked a time or two with no explanation given and the one time I did ask about it, the mod who pulled it was courteous enough to explain it to me and he was right. That was that and I accepted it.
If there's a certain post that you felt "violated" over I'm sure one of the mods would be happy to explain it to you, but you may or may not like the explanation? But you will have to live with it, or find another site.
Not trying to be hateful or anything, that's just the way it is and you won't find many that are still here that will argue with that fact.
As a matter of fact, I could see this post getting yanked shortly. :rolleyes:
It is private domain that is the main thing to remerber. Myself I'm glad someone is here to keep an eye on things. I don't have the time to do what is being done for me here. I appreciate the har work that is being done to keep this site up and running. For those who disagree step and volunteer or start your on site. MIKE
I'd say the jury is in and the verdict is.... no appeal.
God bless,Mudd
Nope. Been there, this site is my home away from home and I abide by the rules. Everyone on here at one time or another has had a thread pulled. Think before you post. This is the Pow Wow and this thread has nothing to do with Traditional Bowhunting. If you have a question, email a MOD, does not need to be posted here. This is what frustrates Terry and the MODS. It would me too! Get over it.
Sometimes people get confused about what Freedom of Speech actually means. It does not mean you can say anything you want to at any time in any location.
We all know that if you scream outside your neighbor's home at 2 am, you can be arrested for violating noise ordinances. If you work at company A and go to company B and tell them company A's secrets, you would be arrested for sharing trade secrets.If you start talking in public about how McDonalds boils rats and serves them in their burgers, you would be arrested for defamation. Same thing in a crowded movie theater, scream "fire" and you are going to jail for endangerment.
These are just a few examples in public locations, the laws are even more restrictive in a private location. This includes a private persons home, their car, their back yard,and their private web forum. All of these are owned by an individual and are governed by the rules of that individual.
It is a critical part of law, that an individual has full rights over what is said in the location they own.
Private location rules have Nothing to do with freedom of speech.
I appreciate this site, I appreciate the hard work involved in keeping it up and running and I appreciate those that are doing that hard work for all of us.
:clapper: :archer2:
Geeeeze, can we get on with life?
Dave it is one thing to have your own opinion but don't expect other to see things your way .Read the rules and lighten up ,,The moderaters have a tough job allready !! Lets hear some good old hunting stories, Not why this and why that ! go with the flow Rember this is suppost to be fun !!
What ever happened to the good old days when we sat around the campfire and argued until we were blue in the face about whether cross country skis or snowmobiles put more pressure per square inch on the ground. We were still friends the next day and we laughed about it.
How much would we really learn on this site without differences of opinion? We would for example, still believe that Bear archery started over every month with their serial numbers.
We have had lively discussion in this thread about an issue that is obviously near and dear to the hearts of traditional archers, how can that be a bad thing.
McDave, part of the reason that I value freedom of speech is that I have not only had a school principal I have been a school principal. And I would like to believe that order was maintained in my schools, while at the same time allowing each and every member of the school community to have a role in determining direction. You will catch a lot more flies with honey than you ever will with vinegar.
DDave
I will tell you what if a thread gets pulled email me or another admin we try to get you an answer as to why. This thread is unnecessary beyond this.
Sent you a pm
as specified in the board rules, admins and mods can pull any topic, post or image at any time and without notification.
if you didn't receive notification of a pulled thread or post or image, you surely can email or pm the webmaster, an admin or a mod for clarification.
putting up a public topic about forum administration is a big no-no, too.