I sent an e-mail threatening to call the County Sheriff's office as well as the Corydon police office to Ronald Ollis because of the improper way that he has not shipped items that were purchased here on this site. He immediately replied and stated that he has shipped "a bunch of things" last Friday parcel post. He claims that he has not been able to inform everyone here because he has been kicked off the site. He says that if guys would e-mail him using the e-mail that he still shows on his profile, he will be more than happy to let you know when he shipped and claims that he can provide everyone with tracking numbers. There seems to have been a mix-up in who bought what and where to ship this item and that item. We will see. I have told him that if I do not receive my item or money back, that I will be informing the local authorities. I hope it still works out. If you have an outstanding deal pending with Ron e-mail him and pursue it. You may want to use the same threat that I have used, it seems to have gotten his attention.
Lots of folks complain about our 100 post rule....this is a PRIME example of why we have it.
Also, anyone posting an ad on the PowWow has not read the rules and shows there respect of the site by doing so....and is a BIG Red Flag.
thanks for the update guys!
The 100 post rule is great imo!
I hope it clears up for you guys, scammers suck. :knothead:
The last e-mail I had from Ron he said my item was shipped Thursday April 7th with delivery expected the 11th od 12th. Nothing showed, still. When I tried to pm or email, no response. I just hope it works out for everyone. I should've known better, but I still try to keep the faith that we will treat each other fairly here!
Has anyone cross referenced this guy to other forums such as AT and ***********? If he's cheatin folks here, he is probably doing the same elsewhere.
just got an email from Ron. Said he was in the hospital with a herniated disc and will mail out this week. we will see....
He never mentioned the health problems to me. He told me that he had sent the items last Friday. This is already smelling bad.
He has also not followed through with me on my purchase ($100 KOM pack )- I sent $$ almost 3 weeks ago.
I have a fairly lengthy post that I put on LW tonight and have spoke to a # on here about their experiences. For me this has been one of those merry go round "Ad Nauseum" mental experiences.
As far as swinestalker's ? about AD's on other forums- yes, it was noted on the LW post from someone there that he now has an AD for an item he is selling on there.
As far as the post above from superkodiak about Ron being in the hospital with a "herniated disc"
I am thinking that is the proverbial B...$, because I spoke to his father yesterday and that was never mentioned. The Dad never said a word about that. And that would have been pretty pertinent news.
He (the seller) also never emails me back with what is going on with my pack. It is good that some get messages from him, but still no contact from him to me. But I have been pretty firm with him calling him out about all of this.
I also heard from the Dad yesterday that the Son (seller) said that my pack was sent out just that day (Sat.- yesterday) Yeah- Right, I have heard that before. He told me that it would be mailed last Saturday also and he even told another prospective buyer of KOM wool that was asking me about my deal that my Pack had already been mailed out.- Bogus- all untrue.
So yes,..."we will see...."
I just got an e-mail with a NEW delivery date of April 18th with a tracking number. Ron said he mailed it Wednesday but the tracking number shows it(something) was mailed Saturday morning at 9:19 a.m. :dunno:
For those who have sent payment you should compare addresses to see if they're all the same address.
If the guy has health problems, then it should work out somehow. If not, you all should get together and report it to the local jurisdiction where the address is located.
Keep track of your checks, MOs, etc. If you sent a personal check ask your bank for a copy of the cancelled check and his account number should be written or printed on there somewhere.
Keep good records so Law Enforcement has what they need to make a case. You will likely have to report it to your local jurisdction as well.
Each state has differing laws procecting consumers.
I'm looking to buy can't post as of yet but the new rule makes me feel better with people like this out there. I can still peruse the classifides though. Merle
I am in the same boat with buying one of his items. I will email him today also.
Thanks for the info.
Gil
"The first is that Cadet members can NOT participate in any classifieds forum or giveaway thread."
I understand the rule, but I'm confused as to if it only applies to the Tradbow classifieds site, or any classifieds.
Ronald Ollis joined the site in December of 2010 and shows only 48 posts. If the 100 post rule applies to any classifieds, how was he able to post an add without having permission? I read the rules, but I must be missing something. Respectfully...Ed Carneal.
I believe the 100 posts is for listing bows only, not for any other section (at least that's how I read it)
That rule only applied to the TradBow Classifieds....not the rest of them.
Sometime folks also post as directly on the PowWow...not sure if this was the case or not as I was not here when all this happened.
Ron contacted me today and sent me a tracking number. I guess he had some problems on his side and may be new to selling on the Internet.
Gil
Terry,
I for one want to thank you for applying the 100 post's for new members and really all members as far as that go's...Even if it applied to any of the other classifieds I think people would get the hint that this site doesn't take those "Stealing, Sneaky,Scamming Scumbags" lightly and it may make them move on elsewhere if they have no intentions of sharing the sport of Traditional archery...Job well done Mods... :thumbsup:
Gil, I also received a tracking number today from Ron. Hoping he is getting everything worked out.
I received a tracking number a little while ago, as well. I told him that I would track it, watch for receipt, and report here when everything proved to be satisfactory.
Still hoping for the best... for ALL involved.
I rec'd tracking number and contacted Ron about some info that did not match with what he said. A pack showed up today! Ihope Ron makes good on all his deals now.
owlbait, you got what you paid for?
I got something similar (not exactly as described) as what I expected. Not exactly perfect condition, would struggle to hold 2 heavy jackets, and one not two outside pockets along with the large compartment. My deal is done. Good luck guys.
Got an e-mail this morning and a tracking # for my $195.00 money order. Should know Wed. or Thurs. if all is well or not. He told me last night that he just found out his cousin had sold the Double Bull blind that I bought from him. I'm sure that he got a call from either local law enforcement or the USPS fraud inspector as several of us electronically filed mail fraud forms. I hope this turns out well for everyone.
PS: he told me in last night's e-mail that he was borrowing money from family to pay everyone back.
I also got an e-mail this morning and a tracking # for my $100 money order:
"Hey Stephen I mailed the money order this morning priority mail. Delivery confirmation # 03080...... Thanks Ron
Sent from my iPhone"
*** So I guess we all will see if it is true by the end of the week.
These (3) posts were posted by others on the LW yest. and today:
* "I noticed an add over here today by him. His handle is widowman80 if I remember right."
* "He has a PCH for sale on AT now."
* "somebody who has been had by this guy should give AT a heads up ... John "
BTW, since I saw the posts about the AT AD's on LW, I decided to go over and take a look at the PCH Ad and look what I found-
I found a bunch of stuff posted on there ( the same stuff that he was selling on here) under his handle (Widowman80)
His join date over there was 4/12/11
And he started selling the same wool clothing, and other items etc. over there on 4/12
So I guess he did not have any time to contact any of us here last week that he was dealing with, but he had all this time to post all these Ad's on AT. And most of it was the same stuff that people here were dealing with him on. Unbelievable- this guy has some big Cojones!!
Here is a link to his posts:
http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/search.php?searchid=4344415
COULDN'T a person mail something via USPS to themselves and have ONE Bogus tracking number to send a bunch of people pretending that they've sent something to them?
Have you guys compared tracking #'s ?
Gentlemen, there is something you have to understand about scammers and that is they depend on you to be successful. They rely on your basic trust in the membership on these sites and on your kindness to seek compensation instead of justice. They stall, what is called in the prison world "cooling out the mark", so that the victim eventually gives up and goes away. You have to understand that generally the police are not interested in these kinds of cases because most of the time the victim is only interested in the police going to the scammers home and threatening them into sending the item or paying the money owed. That is not what the police do. They are not a collection agency. If you want to file a complaint on the specific scammer and have them arrested and prosecuted that is a different story, but that is generally not what the victim wants to do. Most victims are good people who do not want to hurt or put anyone in jail. Unfortunately these cases to prosecutors' are expensive and detract from their budget and are not viewed as worth pursuing. However, not all prosecutors feel that way and are willing to prosecute. It is rare to find one of these guys in the prison system because it is rare that charges are filed against them or the amount of money is too small to constitute a felony. I don't care with whom you have a transaction you need to keep records (evidence) of the transaction (e-mails, phone records, copies of receipts, or photocopies of shipping receipts). If I were a seller it would not bother me at all nor would I be offended if you asked me for documentation in support of the transaction. The only way to stop scammers is to file charges against them, see to it they are prosecuted, and imprisoned. Stop playing his game and saying "Oh well, I guess I just lost my money or the item I traded." Warchild and others among you with similar complaints, go to the prosecutor's office in your area today and discuss the options available to you in getting this guy off of the streets. He may be able to coordinate with the authorities in Indiana the arrest and prosecution of this guy. Since this Ollis guy has scammed others in other states it is possible federal authorities may have an interest in him based on the crossing of state lines and using the internet to commit his crimes. Scams are not new to the criminal world, but the internet opens new windows of opportunity for these people and is more lucrative than in the past. If you receive an item from this guy and it is not what you ordered it is still a scam and he has profited from it.
Don't let those that prey on the internet ruin what we have here.
Larry is so right,what we have here is very uncommon,lets keep it like this.One great thing about this site is it doesn't take long to weed out dishonesty.
Just went over there and asked if he takes paypal.... I think that will complicate his presence a bit :) I'm curious to see how far he'll take it... I've been on the bad side of a scam before and recovered my funds but it wasn't pleasant...
anyone receive this same tracking number?
03092880000083165412
this is the one I received.
Nope- Mine was different.
So he had all this time to send messages and place AD's over on AT all while he was supposedly
"at doctors and hospital all week trying to get this fixed anyway I am sorry......."
And he did not have time to communicate with his buyers over here.
The guy is what he is. This a just a part of the copy in the message that Rob (admin here) sent to me that he sent to Ron Ollis:
"you are a cheat and a liar.....we will make sure the trad community knows who you are.....it's jerks like you that give trad bowhunting, trad archery and humanity in general, a bad name.....
i hope karma will quickly bite you....."
Well guess what- karma is like paybacks- they are a .....
So I decided to post reading material on all of Ron Ollis's Ad's over on AT by pasting links to this thread and the link to the one over on the L.wall.
Should make some fine reading for the prospective buyers over there. I guess Ron thought we were all fools or played us like the fools that he thought we were.
My tracking number ends in 1593.
USPS says it should arrive tomorrow.
looks like they yanked him and all his posts over at AT
yep, I just saw that too
The only bad thing is I have gotten PM's from over there (on AT from my warning link post this morning)- from people that had already sent him $$. And one was for a set of ASAT wool bibs( $200) -same ones that he had posted here on TG. And the same ones that he still has posted over on the LW for $150. It was put on LW on 4/12 under misc. and is still there.
a while ago I asked if he took Paypal just to see what he would say...
This is the PM he just sent me but his original post is gone...
"Widowman80
View Profile View Forum Posts Private Message Add as Contact Send Email
Registered User Join Date:Apr 2011
Posts:20Black widow bow
I don't have a paypal account I can only take money orders or cashiers checks. And I will let it go for $700.00 shipped thanks "
I told him I'd take the bow (and I would and send payment)if he sent it and I'd send him the funds when I recieved it. When it gets here I'll post pictures and send the Payment (wouldn't that be something if it actually gets here!!!). I'll let you know if he replys ...
RonD, that is right on the money. It always starts with excuses and goes downhill from there. I'm currently out some "free arrows" from a transaction on another site (but have let it slide).
Unfortunately this also plays out in the business world when employees steal from a business. Typically it is hard to prove (they destroy docs), and the company doesn't want the bad press, attorney fee's, etc., and the prosecutors don't want to prosecute. So they move from business to business. Same thing in the home remodeling (fix-up business) = never pay up front! I don't know how these people live with themselves, but I'm sure they rationalize it away. If they stay small and don't rip off the wrong people the way our system is set up lets them get away with it. BUT, it is very corrosive to society.
I applaud the 100 post (and review) rule. I'm new to this site but have already had several good experiences here (not selling), and have a high level of confidence buying from members here.
Ron D's advice is spot on (I am an officer). Thanks to the mods on this site for the work they do to keep this stuff from happening much more frequently! If anyone needs a little coaching on getting charges pressed on this guy feel free to pm me and I can walk you through some of the process.
cadets are not allowed to participate in any selling, buying or trading that involves a weapon. they're considered minors and they must answer to their parents/guardians first and foremost, not trad gang.
only the trad bow classifieds forum requires the 100 post count rule.
here's the most important thing to consider with any classified transaction - it's been said before and worth saying yet again ...
if you don't really know the person you are dealing with, get the goods/dollars first before closing your side of the deal.
there are things you can do to better know just who is your buyer/seller/trader.
things to know about buying, selling and trading (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=028281)
Stik cant ya just sneak over and give him a double tap. :eek:
Latest PM from him....
Today 04:33 PM Widowman80
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Registered User Join Date:Apr 2011
Posts:20Re: Black widow bow
Sorry already sold it
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Hmmmmmm ? Good luck...
Just got another PM on LW.. I think this guy thought he was sending PMs to two different guys... both were sent to me today!!!
PM #1 Original Message:
chromebuck - It's $1,300 new and I paid 800.00. Gotta hold out for the full price. Sorry. You won't be disappointed. Everyone always wants to shoot this bow at the range. It is deadly.
PM #2 Original Message:
chromebuck - Plus an 95.00 custom quiver. 675 firm.
Has anyone received their payment yet? Mine was scheduled for delivery today, but did not make it. Maybe it will show up tomorrow. It will probably be an empty envelope.
TRACKING INFO>
Your item was processed through and left our LOUISVILLE, KY 40231 facility on April 18, 2011 at 9:25 pm. The item is currently in transit to the destination. Information, if available, is updated periodically throughout the day. Please check again later.
Detailed Results:
Processed through Sort Facility, April 18, 2011, 9:25 pm, LOUISVILLE, KY 40231
Acceptance, April 18, 2011, 10:33 am, LEAVENWORTH, IN 47137
He has reportedly sent mine and has given a tracking number. We shall see, I will believe him when the mo arrives.
I should get what was mailed to me today. It's out for delivery as we speak. Ron told me that he was sending me the ASAT bibs and hat that I agreed to purchase. I'll post what all was mailed after I get back from spending time with the teens at church tonight.
I bought a bow from Ron Ollis about a week ago on another site and sent a money order. I never knew of any problems until a couple days ago. I Emailed Ron and inquired about my purchase. He assured me that he was sending the bow out and provided me a tracking number that same day. I received the bow today and it was just as he said it was.
Jack
I purchased a fleece jacket and it took 3 weeks from the day I shipped the payment to recieve the jacket. Several threatening emails by me to Mr. Ollis resolved the problem..He had "computer problems"..yeah right..I did recieve the described jacket and was satisfied.
Afterthought: Be aware of ads that flood all categories, i.e, Wool Clothing, bows, fleece, arrows, knives etc...posted by the same person at once...either it is part of the scam, or they lose track of buyers/offers form individuals, as they have so many different items listed, they can use the excuse of, " Lost track, got things mixed up, forgot to ship" etc..Just a thought.
as mentioned before, the best of scammers don't scam everyone, they make some good deals just to keep their head above water, but they'll scam someone eventually. this guy ollis fits the pattern to a 't'. beware.
I received the ASAT hat and bibs today.
I am still waiting to see if he will take back the 3XLT jacket that he listed as XL. I would be surprised if he takes it back since he still says he sent me an XL even after sending him pictures of the tag with the size 3XLT and his initials RO clearly showing.
this guy ollis is just plain BAD NEWS for everyone - including himself, as he shall soon find out.
I recieved the videos I bought here on Tradgang today from him.
Gil
Superkodiak-
Interesting that you got those ASAT bibs. Were they wool? I have been in communication with another buyer on another site (AT) that saw my post of links there about this guy on Monday. He sent Ron Ollis a $200 cert. bank check and never got the bibs and Ollis told him that he mailed them (the ASAT ones) to a buyer of some raven wear by mistake and he would need to mail the $$ back to him this week.
I also was supposed to get my $100 back today from Ollis for what I bought over 3 weeks ago and never received. But- no money in todays mail.
It seems as if some people are getting there stuff much faster now. Wow- bow in a week- I bought a KOM pack and it was supposedly mailed 3 different times- but I never got it. Maybe it went to someone else. This Ollis guy cannot seem to keep his own stories straight- so I sure as heck do not have a clue whats going on.
It really makes one appreciate integrity...I can't help but pity this guy a little. What does he see in the mirror every morning? Sorry for your losses and inconvenience, but that Ollis guy has chosen a pitiable way to travel this journey.
the Bibs I purchased were Dayone and are fleece, along with a fleece Dayone ASAT crusher. They weren't on an add. I contacted Ron when he posted the Dayone ASAT fleece Parka. and decided not to buy the parka, but he offered to sell me the bibs and hat. I obviously made the deal with him on those. I didn't pay anything near the $200, I only was out $65. But I did get the fleece bibs and hat. Other than one small rip in a seam, they are in really good condition.
Shawn
For the record....this guy emailed us that he wanted to be deleted from Trad Gang last week right before Rob, Doug and I went hunting...over that 'Tag' issue with the poster above.
He was very defensive and said he wasn't wallmart...that he didn't just take things back. We also saw the image of the tag. The tag said one thing from the buyer, and the seller (Ron) was insisting the buyer was lying.
This guys signed up on Trad Gang JUST TO TRADE...signed up and RAN to the classifieds.
Pay attention, we do all we can to protect the membership here....do not over look the obvious.
Looks like we have a handle on this guy.
Beware, scammers will opt out of one issue, re-register and try it again.
Thanks mods, your job is not enviable.
Thanks to all the mods here. You all do a great job and we appreciate your efforts.
Sounds to me like Dave (Siegeworks) must have changed his name..?? Sure sounds like the same story to me..
superkodiak,
Thanks for the response. Now that makes sense.
I thought possibly it was another example of one of this guy's deceitful games.
For example this guy Ollis still has an AD on the LW for a set of Day One ASAT wool bibs for $150. Do not know if it is for the same pair that the other buyer sent him $200 for- but it would not surprise me.
Probably can't keep his Ad's straight, just like his buyers. Like the example of of him quoting coaster500 2 different bottom line price points on a bow in 2 separate messages.
As far as having pity on this guy as was posted above???
Not to question how you feel, but I am not feeling it.
pit·y
[pit-ee] noun, plural pit·ies, verb, pit·ied, pit·y·ing.
–noun
1.
sympathetic or kindly sorrow evoked by the suffering, distress, or misfortune of another, often leading one to give relief or aid or to show mercy: to feel pity for astarving child.
2.
a cause or reason for pity, sorrow, or regret: What a pity you could not go!
–verb (used with object)
3.
to feel pity or compassion for; be sorry for; commiserate with.
–verb (used without object)
4.
to have compassion; feel pity.
—Idiom
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have / take pity, to show mercy or compassion.
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** Not the first word that comes to my mind when I think of this Ollis guy
I think his actions rhyme with pity - but that's about as close to pity as I can get!
Bill,
I like it!
Finally -
My MO showed up in today's mail. Hooray!
Hopefully that means everyone else will get their's soon.
Glad to hear it, Steve.
The US Postal Service site says my package should have shown up yesterday, but it's still not here. Their tracking system leaves a LOT to be desired. Last data is when it was mailed in Indiana. Oh well, no news is... NO NEWS!
Hoping for tomorrow, and that, one at a time, everyone gets squared away.
I don't think we would see this kind of response from Ollis without the pressure and tireless tracking by our mods and members. Good thing for scammers to know, don't mess with the Tradgang!
owlbait
yes, this was a classic case of -
"you mess with the Bull('s)- you get the horns"
So, just for the sake of clarity, has anyone actually been scammed, or is the guy just unreliable?
There's a world of difference.....
QuoteOriginally posted by robtattoo:
So, just for the sake of clarity, has anyone actually been scammed, or is the guy just unreliable?
There's a world of difference.....
No kidding. I have followed this saga and wonder the same thing. One thing is for sure, a lot of remarks have been directed his way for things that I myself am guilty of. Like taking a longer time shipping items, or forgetting to mention a detail until after the deal was in progress. And I have had checks arrive 2 weeks later than promised for stuff, etc. So I am not he only member who has had life get in the way of prompt service.
Is he dishonest or just a dip----?
I appreciate the diligence of the mods, the rest not so much.
Joshua
Ask the guy that got the 3x that he didn't order....that 'tag' I told you about.
See if he got that taken care of or not....that will tell you.
From what he wrote, he had NO INTENTION of making it right. Is that a scam?
There have been a host of folks contact us about being scammed....I don't know if they all have been taken care of or not....maybe they will post here also.
Again...a rash of listings.....and a rash of hollering.
Being that he sold the same item to multiple individuals on multiple websites I'd say people have been scammed. The fact that he was caught and to excape prosecution decided to borrow money and pay people back is closing the barn door after the cows are gone. IMHO
Mike
QuoteOriginally posted by wingnut:
Being that he sold the same item to multiple individuals on multiple websites I'd say people have been scammed. The fact that he was caught and to excape prosecution decided to borrow money and pay people back is closing the barn door after the cows are gone. IMHO
Mike
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thanks. I see your point(s).
Joshua
The thanks belongs to the members here that kept pushing after this guy and not backing off. If we keep on a scammer collectively, that is what will bring results.
it's guys like this character ollis that get me to thinking about imposing the 100 count rule to all the classifieds forums, not just the trad bow classifieds.
The last few comments just goes to show the kind of people here at Tradgang. We want to trust and see the best in others and even after all that has been done to some of our members try to make excuses hoping that it was all a mistake. Unfortunatly that is not the world we live in and scammers love a group of people that want to trust (which is why they prey so much on them especially why we here they target seniors also) Remember though that while we are to be innocent as Doves the first part of the quote is to be cautious as serpents. So knowing we are a target we need a balance between knowing who we are dealing with and at the same time keeping the trusting nature that has developed here. This guy is a scammer who saw trusting sheep but didn't realize the were armed with bows:) Thanks Moderators. Merle
I'm with ya Rob. a 100 count rule for ALL classifieds. let a person do a little communicating here before they start dealing.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Rob...
Personally I wouldn't be against expanding the 100 count rule. It ends up being that much more work for the admin.
I however am not uncertain how much that would truly help weed out the problematic people.
It would however help keep with the spirit of the site by making the classifieds a secondary forum...at least till they achieve 100 posts.
I agree the 100 post rule is good but is there a way to limit just selling before 100 posts but still allow posting wanted items? That way the person with under 100 posts is sending the money first then the item is sent. Just a suggestion. It may not be possible from a technical angle without someone personally approving these which would be too time consuming.
I agree, 100 posts for all classifieds would be great way to limit scammers
The people that posted here about questioning whether this guy was to put it mildly (a shady character) Well, let's just say they should be thankful that they did not deal with him.
To say that he was slippery like a snake is an understatement. The guys that dealt with him are mature grown Men, and have been around the block a time or two. And they gave him him every opportunity to make good and he continued to slither away. And I believe if the pressure was not put on him heavy by members here and if the fellas father had not stepped in to literally bail the punk out, we would all have been screwed.
This guy did sell the same/ similar items to different people on different forums. (I have confirmation of that) and then lied about "mixing things up" with selling/ mailings etc. and even then stalled about getting their $$ returned to them. In my book that is a scammer.
And ask the (2) members on here who were all ready to mail out their around $200 each for KOM wool whether they appreciated the communication and heads up from members here letting them know that things may not be as they seem. Did they already wonder if something was amiss- yes they did, but that was further confirmed to them when they received PM's from members asking if Ollis had been communicating with them- he had in the selling phase, and then danced, dodged and lied to them when he felt the heat of questions. Lets just say that those 2 members were spared the headaches and the larger mess of this circus by staying on the sideline.
So whether you appreciate the work that members did here or not - makes no difference to me. But, there were members here and on other forums that were being dealt with in a dishonorable way by this guy that did appreciate the work and time that both the mods/admins and the members alike put in to keep this guy from taking us and furthering his games.
Just my 2 cents- whether you "appreciate" them or not
I am a newbie here and as far as I'm concerned the 100 post rule is not only effective at preventing scamming, it doesn't hurt the new guys at all. We're mostly in acquisition mode. I'm not even a little bit selling. I'm buying. The toy account is red-lined.
I couldn't figure out at first why the rule is there, but after reading this thread it's kind of chilling.
For the sake of clarity, yes, I have been scammed. I sent out a video to Mr Ollis about 3 weeks ago and have not recieved my trade.
Okay, okay fair play. Sorry to stir it up. The only thing I could find that was difinitive in the thread was the 3X/XL thing & I would be hard pushed to call that a 'scam'. Certainly a scummy thing to do, but hardly 'scamming'
It hdn't registered that there had been 'goings on' on other forums.
QuoteOriginally posted by stephen / oregon:
...
So whether you appreciate the work that members did here or not - makes no difference to me....
Just my 2 cents- whether you "appreciate" them or not
If what you have gotten out of any comments that were not already calling him a liar, cheat and so forth was that "we" don't appreciate what goes on around here is too bad and, IMO, totally off base. I don't think anyone here was implying that.
J-
I try to give others the benefit of the doubt, just as I would expect them to give me. But, when there is no DOUBT there is no benefit.
I'm with Zradix in that I wouldn't mind if the 100 post minimum was increased and even applied to all classified ads. If the mods feel such action is needed, it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.
I vote for the 100 post rule for all sales. I have had nothing but positive sales and purchases on the bow classifieds but I had to get in my 100 posts to sell. I had been a member of TradGang for years but never did much communicating. I had 23 posts when I wanted to put a few bows up for sale, so I had to go to work and communicate. I cannot tell you how many times I thought to myself I should give up and go to one of the sites where there are no requirements, but I stuck it out and I am so glad I did. This site is loaded with great people to communicate and deal with. On the bow classifieds you sell and buy with a far greater sense of security that you are dealing with a honest, trustworthy fellow TradGanger.100 posts have given me 100% positive sales and buy experiences.
Huntfun!
As I am another newbie, I think a 100 post minimum for selling or buying is a great rule. The few bad apples ruin it for everybody else. But I would feel much more secure buying or selling if the person I was dealing with had a large # next to "posts".
QuoteOriginally posted by robtattoo:
& I would be hard pushed to call that a 'scam'. Certainly a scummy thing to do, but hardly 'scamming'
In a court of law its called much worse than scamming. ...its called 'theft by deception'.
I also have a hard time believing if you yourself brought a large jacket and were shipped a small and the company you bought it from wouldn't make it right , and let you know they had NO intention of doing so, that you wouldn't feel 'scammed'
Steve, yeah, that's kind of the rub. I think I should be reading more than offering my sage advice at this point.
So maybe it is time to start a thread asking for the admin to consider the 100 post rule for all classifieds and let Ollis disappear to the nether regions where he belongs. We really don't need anymore sniping between honest and rule abiding members. Ron has created enough trouble, tension, and frustration. Let's heal and move on!
So I'm just a newbe here, but I think the 100 post rule makes sense. It takes time and effort to make 100 posts (well some posts are clearly throw aways - three word posts to increase the posts count) and for the most part scammers won't put in the time. Its a good rule - and this appears to be a site that is worthy of the investment.
Anyone know his alias' on flea bay or Leather Wall?
I don't think that is a bad idea.
"it's guys like this character ollis that get me to thinking about imposing the 100 count rule to all the classifieds forums, not just the trad bow classifieds"
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
QuoteOriginally posted by robtattoo:
& I would be hard pushed to call that a 'scam'. Certainly a scummy thing to do, but hardly 'scamming'
In a court of law its called much worse than scamming. ...its called 'theft by deception'.
I also have a hard time believing if you yourself brought a large jacket and were shipped a small and the company you bought it from wouldn't make it right , and let you know they had NO intention of doing so, that you wouldn't feel 'scammed' [/b]
Point taken.
Rob, there is a certain logic to imposing the 100 post rule to all classifieds.
it's always a shame when the good majority hasta suffer with rules created to impede the bad minority.
QuoteOriginally posted by Shifting Shadow:
Rob, there is a certain logic to imposing the 100 post rule to all classifieds.
YES!!!!!!!
Rob Tat....Thanks.....I would think the same thing. I sure wouldn't ship your what I wanted...but what YOU ordered...and if I did ship you what ever I wanted and was not what you ordered I would make it right.....or I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
I've done alot of trading and selling on this site, getting alot of good advise, giving a little along with making some lifelong friends. I'm not one to jump to conclusions too soon but this whole thing stinks. A month and a half ago I was considering listing a couple of bows in the classifieds. I decided to wait and the next day my computer crashed and I was off line for the next two weeks. Sure was glad I didn't list them, all I could think about was getting dragged thru the mud because I was a dirty so and so for not responding to anyone. Things happen and I always try too make sure theres not a good reason for lack of communication. JMHO.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jhg:
QuoteOriginally posted by stephen / oregon:
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So whether you appreciate the work that members did here or not - makes no difference to me....
Just my 2 cents- whether you "appreciate" them or not
If what you have gotten out of any comments that were not already calling him a liar, cheat and so forth was that "we" don't appreciate what goes on around here is too bad and, IMO, totally off base. I don't think anyone here was implying that.
J- [/b]
Well, apparently you feel either my comments or my interpretation of yours was "totally off base". Well- so be it. I do not think is was to much of a stretch for me to comprehend what was to me "implied" if not clearly stated in your post. If I misinterpreted that, then my bad.
The original purpose and intent of this thread was to I believe give updates to people who were apparently being clearly taken advantage of by this Ollis guy. And to give warning to any future victims. This was the way things appeared and the way they were going. We were trying to collectively flank him and head him off at the pass.
As time went on and more info was gathered, it was apparent that his behavior and our interpretation of that behavior, bore out that there was not admirable actions taken by this Ollis fella.
The only thing I ever tried to do with my actions and communications, was to both help my personal exposure with this guy and to help others who I also believed were being taken advantage of.
Ron Ollis was the one at fault here and the one that we were all collectively trying to quarentine. We were trying to circle the wagons for protection from outside the group.
Ya know....the more we know....and the more we investigate....it doesn't seem to matter. We are accused of everything under the sun.
We will no longer try and protect the membership from folks that we investigate and find as rip off artists...not just folks that have computer crashes.
I'm tired of us working our butts off and finding out all we can to protect folks only to be accused of 'stinking'. And in our efforts, WE are drug through the mud.
Trade at your on risk. We are done with it. Best of luck. We will no longer warn anyone about anything.
Rob....take off all regulations of the classifieds....and let it run amuck.
Ya know....the more we know....and the more we investigate....it doesn't seem to matter. We are accused of everything under the sun. We will no longer investigate any complaints.
We will no longer try and protect the membership from folks that we investigate and find as rip off artists...not just folks that have computer crashes.
I'm tired of us working our butts off and finding out all we can to protect folks only to be accused of 'stinking'. And in our efforts, WE are drug through the mud.
Trade at your on risk. We are done with it. Best of luck. We will no longer warn anyone about anything.
Rob....take off all regulations of the classifieds....and let it run amuck.
ATTEN all Administrators....pay NO attention to the classifieds at all....don't waste any more of your time. Thank you for your efforts and diligence in the past, and on this instance.
Its a real shame that after being online for 8 years trying our best to run a respectable site that we are 'called out' for trying to protect folks. It beats all I've ever seen.