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Title: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Reaper TN on April 11, 2011, 01:43:00 PM
I want to build some dedicated stumpin' arrows and will be using GT 3555 Exp. Hunters and Trad arrows. What size aluminums do you GT shooters foot your 3555's with?  What type epoxy?  I have JB Weld and Devcon 5 minute epoxy already.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: David Spear on April 11, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
I think 2117's
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Post by: jamesh76 on April 11, 2011, 02:22:00 PM
I used 2117

I have only used Epoxy and it held up well.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: BWD on April 11, 2011, 02:37:00 PM
The Devcon 20 minute set, 2 hours handle, overnite cure type epoxy has always done well for me.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 11, 2011, 02:41:00 PM
2219s have worked well for me as have 2117s, 2219s seems a bit better fit.  The long curing epoxy is not as brittle when it sets up and seems to hold up better for me too! Shawn
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: on April 11, 2011, 03:44:00 PM
2117s.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: SveinD on April 11, 2011, 04:09:00 PM
I used 2117 shafts and they are smug!
Only thing you have to do is sand for 5-10 seconds with 400 grit sandpaper where the footing is going to get a rougher surface, smear a thin coat of epoxy and slide it on!
Also, I like to leave a little epoxy behind the tube to get a smoother transition between the carbon and aluminum, which makes it easier to pull out of targets.
Also, it can be smart to deburr the alu slightly  ;)
Good luck!
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: huntmaster80 on April 11, 2011, 06:46:00 PM
Im doing the same thing with 3555 and im bona use. 2117s
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: bolong on April 11, 2011, 08:20:00 PM
2117's
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: nontypical on April 11, 2011, 08:28:00 PM
Why not foot them internally? I use a 4" long .25" wood dowell epoxied behind the brass insert.That way I keep my small diameter for penetration!
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: LH Keith on April 11, 2011, 08:47:00 PM
Seems like alot of people workin' up stumpin' arrows this Spring (Myself included!)
2117 seems to be the ticket for GT 3555's, although they do seem a little snug to me.(Perhaps a little shaft sanding as Svein D said)
Never really considered an internal footing for stumpin', not real concerned w/ penetration, just tired of bustin my arrows on hard hit.

               Keith
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: The Whittler on April 11, 2011, 10:06:00 PM
Nontypical, does it change anyting on how the arrow flies.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 11, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
My luck  with internal footings had not been good, the point still shove up into the shaft and splits it, the wood dowel also adds quite a bit more weight than an aluminum footing as well. Shawn
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Matt Green on April 11, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
Was going to ask this same qeustion. Good thread. Also:  Shoudl the end of hte aluminum cover (OR NOT) the insert?
thx in advance
mg
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Mint on April 12, 2011, 09:34:00 AM
Has anyone tried using the 50gr brass inserts instead of footing? Once I put the brass inserts in I haven't had a shaft mushroom on me yet.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Gufunk on April 12, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
2117's
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: LH Keith on April 12, 2011, 05:47:00 PM
I use 50 gr. brass inserts on most of my set-ups,(GT trads)for some FOC. Before footing, a hard hit, when stumping or just plain missin'  would sometimes produce a real nice "flower" on the point end of my arrow shafts!
So now I am footin' all my stumpin' arrows w/ 1-1/4" of 2117 behind my inserts. Just my experience, YMMV.

                   Keith
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Gray Buffalo on April 12, 2011, 06:05:00 PM
I use the 100 gr. insert and still had some Flower out. I also use a 2216 over the insert and up the shaft with high impact instant gorilla glue.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: SveinD on April 12, 2011, 06:39:00 PM
Inserts wont stop the shaft splitting. I haven't tried internal footing, but in my brain that does not prevent it too much either, on account of the force of impact pushing the insert back, making the more brittle carbon "get out of the way" outwards.. Then again, I can't say for sure..
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: nontypical on April 12, 2011, 07:52:00 PM
The dowell weights 25 grns and doesnt change anything.I also use 50 & 100 grn inserts.I have NOT had one break yet and people that know me & Jose at 3D shoots,do some crazy shootin!! The first test I did wit them,I shot a patio block and the third arra broke it at 15 yds.Only thing that happened to the arras was the pts were flattened.All my arras I use loctite prof. HD 5 min epoxy.I wont shoot carbons without it!
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: nontypical on April 12, 2011, 07:57:00 PM
SveinD, the epoxied dowell will not let the insert push back against the shaft,aiding in it not splitting.What I do is put epoxy up inside,I then coat the dowell also,I then push up and leave .125 of dowell out,coat insert,then wit insert push the dowell the rest of the way in.Now they are tight,back to back,leaving NO space for movement.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Reaper TN on April 12, 2011, 08:04:00 PM
Well, I just finished a couple of arrows.  I used a 2 inch piece of 2117, should weigh about 24 grains. I did have to sand the 3555 Trad arrow with some 120 grit paper to get the 2117 shaft over it, good tight fit.  The 3555 Expedition Hunter required no sanding at all, I just barely ruffed the carbon shaft with the 120 grit to knock the shine off.  I'm not going to fletch these shafts yet, I want to bareshaft tune with a 150 grain point instead of the 175 grain and see if arrow is still in tune. Has footing an arrow caused anyone to have any tuning problems?
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: 30pointbuck on April 12, 2011, 09:05:00 PM
2117 will work.

http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000098
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Reaper TN on April 12, 2011, 09:17:00 PM
30pointbuck.....thanks for the link, I have some Heritage 150's that may need some footings at some point in the future. Anyone ever foot the CE Predator II 2040's or 3050's? I have a bunch of these arrows too.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: huntmaster80 on April 12, 2011, 10:27:00 PM
well i finished footing a couple 3555s for the first time today. I used 2117 at 1 inch long and they turned out pretty good, just be careful cutting them if u dont have an arrow saw.  I used a dremmel tool and almost got hit in the face with a piece of the arrow i was cutting
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Reaper TN on April 12, 2011, 11:00:00 PM
I used a mini tubing cutter, works great but slower than the Dremmel.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: shoothathang on April 12, 2011, 11:47:00 PM
Matt Green beat me to it.How long should the footing be?Just past the insert?An inch past the insert?Give us newbbies a clue.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: shoothathang on April 13, 2011, 12:29:00 AM
Oops!I posted this b4 I realised there is two pages to this thread.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: SveinD on April 13, 2011, 03:16:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by nontypical:
SveinD, the epoxied dowell will not let the insert push back against the shaft,aiding in it not splitting.What I do is put epoxy up inside,I then coat the dowell also,I then push up and leave .125 of dowell out,coat insert,then wit insert push the dowell the rest of the way in.Now they are tight,back to back,leaving NO space for movement.
I'd love to see a build-along of that  :)
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Eugene Slagle on April 13, 2011, 05:57:00 AM
Been using a 1" piece of 2117 on all my G.T. Trad 35/55's for some time, 12gr. extra weight up front but short enough to not stiffen the spine any & after it's all said & done mine at full length spine out just right for me & are also near bomb proof.

Well maybe not bomb proof but I've yet to hit a rock or concrete wall with em & have any damage to my arras.
Title: Re: Gold Tip 3555 footing question
Post by: Reaper TN on April 13, 2011, 07:12:00 PM
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