What is the best tick repellent?
I now use Permanone (I'm pretty sure this what it is called), based upon positive reviews on this site. I buy it at Wal-Mart in the camping section. If you keep a close eye out, you can sometimes find it on sale.
Dusty
I have always heard the ones with Deet in the ingredients are the best for ticks. I know it keeps them off me. Some sprays have different strengths of the deet added.
I always spray my clothes down then put them on. Try not to spray on my skin if at all possible. I have been told if you have it on your palms it can remove or damage the bow finish. So it must be some nasty stuff.
Thank you, the ticks are really bad here in Arkansas this Spring.
I buy the permethrin used to spray dog kennels from the feed store and mix it up in a garden sprayer. Spray clothes to include socks and underwear with it and let dry before wearing. Permethrin is the active ingrediant in Permanone and is a whole lot cheaper. Just like the aerosol Permanone it will last through several washings. The ticks and chiggers here feed on deet. Permethrin kills them.
I spray my clothes with permanone(outside) and let them airdry. When I hunt I use Sawyers Deet.
This combo really works in Florida on the ticks.For skeeters, I use a thermacell!
Permanome is not a repellent but a pestacide. It kills any insect that touches it. It is meant to spray on your cloths(not while on you) , let them dry and ticks will die when they get on your cloths. Kills skeeters and chiggers too
Walmart around here doesn't carry it anymore. I've used it for years and I no longer worry about getting ticks. Haven't had one on my person as long as I use permanone.
Pats right. Spray Permanome on clothes, boots and hats. Not on skin.
One of the old time tricks was to consume dietary sulfer, MSM. It takes a couple weeks before you smell bad to a tick and they won't touch you. You do have to keep taking it for it to work all summer, 1 capsule a day does the trick.
I also use the permanone.
Last spring I sat on a tick insfested pile while calling birds.
Odd thing, my right leg had dead ticks..but my right thye were getting in somehow.
I also tuck my pants in, I dont spray my panties and tshirts....honestly I dont like the idea of having to use it....but it sure is nice on the ticks!
Sawyer permethrin here. It's widely available. I don't know what permanone is. DEET is like A-1 steak sauce to a tick.
Thanks again for all the inputs. I will check the the coop to see if they have permethrin.
Permanone is permethrin based in an aerosol can marketed to outdoorsman. It is very expensive compared with mixing your own in a garden sprayer. Like stated earlier it doesn't go on your skin and must be allowed to dry thoroughly on your clothing before wearing. Once it is totally dry on your clothes it will be there several weeks. The paperwork on the bottle show different mix ratios for kennels, dogs, gardens, etc. I mix to weakest that it lists. I used to buy permanon. When I was in the Marine Corps we used to line up outside of the BAS with our utilities and a Corpsman would spray them. One day I asked him what he was spraying them with and he showed me the bottle of permethrin. I haven't paid for a can of permanone since.
Much obliged folks for the info. Old dogs can learn new tricks. Ticks everywhere here. HATE TICKS! Wallywhirrled here I come.
The father of a friend on mine is a(retired now) entomologist(sp[bug scientist])that did work on the development of permanone for human use. He told me it is an excellent insecticide but getting the proper dosage for safe human use was the difficult problem. The permanone we buy in the stores has a very small amount of Permethium in it and the can should be shaken well before spraying your cloths and occasionally while you are spraying.
Sawyers is the best I found
Just FYI - I tend to play on the side of caution when it comes to things that say "DO NOT SPRAY DIRECTLY ON SKIN". So I don't mind paying a bit more for pre-mixed permethrin.
You can get a 24oz bottle for $11 here (http://www.bowhuntingoutlet.com/sawyer_permethin-trigger-24oz.html) .
I was going thru about 1.5 - 2 of the 9 oz bottles a year so this should last me about 2 years.
***EDIT*** - just checked and the shipping from that site is more than the product. But it is sold locally at a lot of places. Near me it's $16 from one of the local outdoor stores.
I'm with the guys that mix their own. I get Permitherin from the local tractor supply store. 6 bucks worth will last me 2 years.
According to Sawyer the reason you do not spray it on your skin is that it renders it ineffective. Here's the link.
http://www.sawyer.com/faqpermethrin.htm#002
Last year I enough permitherin left to do my shirt and just the top of my pants, so I sprayed my legs with OFF a couple of times while was out hunting. I noticed a tick making his way up my leg. His progress was varied, but when he got to where the permanone was he got real slow and then just sat there. Eventually he was not holding with all of his legs and then he was dangling by his pinchers. Finally the poor little feller could not hold on any more and he fell to the ground and he lay there on his back and he died. Funeral and burial services were held on the spot. He or she was survived by the dozen or so siblings that were snagged up in my wool socks, who also died, one at a time because of run away cigar fire. Please don't tell the PETT folks about this, people for the ethical treatment of ticks.
Thanks again for the great information.
The permanone the military uses is the best, been using it for the last 10 yrs and haven't had any problems with ticks, works even better on chiggers. Just spray your clothes and let dry, and don't get any on your skin.
I wonder its effect on your skin mostly from sweating or rain....it might be dry when you first put it on, but with sweat and rain will it soak into your skin? Side effects? I got bit by using the bens 99% (army stuff). Spent a night in the hospital and a couple days on quarters because of it.....
That said I havent had any known problems with permanone. Than again I wasnt allergic to bug juice either for 25ish years.
AkDan, check the link that CEW posted for the answers.
I'm kinda leary of anything that will kill bugs on contact. Thats some deadly stuff. Can't be good for you. You're bound to absorb some through your skin.
I agree i've used the sawyer permitherin,works great! But after reading that it would last through 5 washes and still kill ticks on contact, I've not used it. Quite frankly, I'm afraid of the stuff!
In reference to the earlier post about MSM. I have been taking gluco-chondriotin with MSM for arthritis for years. I have not had a tick attached to me in years either. I think this year i am going with the minimum bub dope, DEET around the ankles and leave the killer stuff alone.
Yep, I second the Permitherin. I grew up in the south (Louisiana, and lived in NC for a year), and I soaked my boots in Permitherin, and then followed that up with some "No Stinkin Bugs" for good measure. That worked great. Like CEW said, you can get Permitherin from a tractor supply store. You would get enough for a couple years. Just make sure you let it dry before you mess with it. Don't get that stuff on your skin wet.
Has anyone heard of dryer sheets (for laundry) repelling ticks? I've been told to put one in you pocket when in the woods, but can't confirm or deny the effectiveness.
Another vote for permetherin.
DEET is a scam, in my opinion, in regard to its effectiveness on ticks.
I also heard about the dryer sheets to repel mosquito's, tried it a few times and still got eaten alive. I use sawyers while hunting after having it recommended by users on here and haven't seen a tick yet
QuoteOriginally posted by R. Fletcher:
I buy the permethrin used to spray dog kennels from the feed store and mix it up in a garden sprayer. Spray clothes to include socks and underwear with it and let dry before wearing. Permethrin is the active ingrediant in Permanone and is a whole lot cheaper. Just like the aerosol Permanone it will last through several washings. The ticks and chiggers here feed on deet. Permethrin kills them.
QuoteOriginally posted by CEW:
I'm with the guys that mix their own. I get Permitherin from the local tractor supply store. 6 bucks worth will last me 2 years.
This is great information, guys!
What brand are you using when you dilute what you buy at the farm store? I looked on Amazon and tried to match the product that was listed on there with the products that Tractor Supply sales, but couldn't find a match. Tractor Supply is more then likely where I will make my purchase.
I have used bounce dryer sheets, original formula, for yellow flies with pretty good success. Skin-so-soft for no seeums. Love and use the permethrin on clothes, tickless and no redbugs/chiggers when I use it. With Lymes disease around I will continue to use it.
Thought I had read of liver toxicity with permethrin, but reading the link seems that is not likely. More research I will do here.
Anything with Permethrin in it. I used to buy Permanone, but think they've changed the name to "Sawyers" now.
Used the Sawyers a couple years ago in Quebec on a bear hunt. I tried it more for mosquitos than ticks and it really worked great. One evening as I was getting into my stand my guide said, "Why aren't those skeeters botherin' you?" I just smile and said, "It's a secret." She kept bugging me until I finally told her a couple days later.
I would also be interested if someone could share the dilution/mixture of the straight permethrin. Have'nt really had to worry about ticks in my area in the past but it seems like they are getting worse.
Simply get two sets of rhinoskin and wear under your clothes. Then I use my own natural mix insect repellent. 7% Catnip oil, 5% Rosemary Oil, 5% Cornmint Oil,an emulsifier, a dab of glycerin and the rest is water. The menthol in the cornmint oil makes is smell good and cools you down. I spray very liberally. I mix it in 500ml batches. You can buy a similar mix for $15 for 16 fluid ounces, I am down to $6 for the same amount. The catnip is more effective than Deet (see public studies) and the rest doesn't make you very attractive for insects. The rhinoskin gives you additional piece of mind.
I would not put insecticides into my clothing. And you wonder why you all get allergies?
Since I am very allergic to poison ivy, I try not to use my clothing multiple times without washing, especially in spring. I use jewelweed soap to precondition for that and jewelweed spray for the now very few little outbreaks.
One source I read placed the toxicity of permethrin at Level IV (low) as compared to DEET at Level II (moderate).
Spend a week during early bow season here and you'll be ready to take a bath in permethrin. By the way, I've been using it over 15 yrs. I don't have any allergies and don't get poison ivy. I also don't get ate up with ticks.
I have (had) a product called Duranon by a company called Coulston's that is the same as Permanone, 0.5% permethrin. I just used the last of my $8.95 can to treat my leafy suit, boots, and camo jumpsuit for a turkey hunt in MO next week. It worked for me last bow season where ticks are thick. One can was good for at least 4 applications.
Hey Gate Keeper! Here is a link to Tractor Supply (that's the name of the place). It's called Permeitherin 10 ($5.99 for a 32oz bottle).
http://www.tractorsupply.com/livestock-fly-control/insecticides/permethrin-10-livestock-premise-spray-8-oz-2212873
I also have a bottle of the Sawyer brand, I think I bought from Cabelas. It worked really well too.
QuoteOriginally posted by Fortun81:
Hey Gate Keeper! Here is a link to Tractor Supply (that's the name of the place). It's called Permeitherin 10 ($5.99 for a 32oz bottle).
http://www.tractorsupply.com/livestock-fly-control/insecticides/permethrin-10-livestock-premise-spray-8-oz-2212873
I also have a bottle of the Sawyer brand, I think I bought from Cabelas. It worked really well too.
Perfect! :bigsmyl:
I contacted Durvet and their Permethrin is not labeled for clothing. Ther recommended Sawyer. Any updates on what other Permethrin is greatly appricated. Thanks for all the informaion.
@Fletcher: I hunt middle TN for years and the ticks are thick there as well. If you pay attention and in combination with the rynoskin and my repellent I did not have a tick for several years. And there is actually a shot for lyme disease here in the US.They can do that, because it is a limited amount of different disease causing bacteria here in the US. There is none for the european lyme desease, becasue there are too many different bacterias causing the disease.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-lyme.pdf
Yep, this vaccine was pulled back by the manufacturer because of "greedy" class action law suits. What a shame... There is no scientific proof the vaccine caused the problems associated. Maybe a generic is still available...
rhyno skin is excellent. I also wear white pants when cutting trails or setting stands during peak tick season which seems to run from April thru late October in my area. I'm always amazed at the sheer numbers of nymph ticks that readily show up on the light colored pants. Ticks don't like bright sunlight. That's why one usually finds more of them under the canopy of the woods. Ticks tend to hang out on the underside of low leaf vegetation and hitch a ride as prospective hosts travel by. So its a good idea to keep clean trails through your stomping grounds.
rhyno skin is excellent. I also wear white pants when cutting trails or setting stands during peak tick season which seems to run from April thru late October in my area. I'm always amazed at the sheer numbers of nymph ticks that readily show up on the light colored pants. Ticks don't like bright sunlight. That's why one usually finds more of them under the canopy of the woods. Ticks tend to hang out on the underside of low leaf vegetation and hitch a ride as prospective hosts travel by. So its a good idea to keep clean trails through your stomping grounds.
rhyno skin is excellent. I also wear white pants when cutting trails or setting stands during peak tick season which seems to run from April thru late October in my area. I'm always amazed at the sheer numbers of nymph ticks that readily show up on the light colored pants. Ticks don't like bright sunlight. That's why one usually finds more of them under the canopy of the woods. Ticks tend to hang out on the underside of low leaf vegetation and hitch a ride as prospective hosts travel by. So its a good idea to keep clean trails through your stomping grounds.
QuoteI dont spray my panties and tshirts
I am new to this site and enjoy reading and learning from it. I have to say , what Dan wrote had me laughing out loud. I didn't know that traditional archers wore panties. There are some things I will change to be a better archer but I will not change my boxers for panties.
On a serious note, is spraying just the closes ok? What about the exposed skin what do people do for that?
I only put permethrin on the outside of my boots, and spray it on my belt. I don't put it on anything that touches my skin. That's bad juju...
Have a 10% permethrin mixture, what is the dilute ratio?
10% should be fine if your mixing it yourself (bulk from tractor supply or somewhere like that). If you use the sawyer spray brand, just spray it on at least 24 hours prior to going hunting, and make sure to NOT put it anywhere it will touch your skin.
QuoteOriginally posted by Living_waters:
Have a 10% permethrin mixture, what is the dilute ratio?
If you want .5%, mix 1oz of 10% permethrin with 20 oz of water an you will have .5% permethrin.
Most store brands are .5% permethrin
Seven dust in a sock or rosin bag works extremely well as long as you just pat it on your boots and the bottom of your pants. I've never got it on my skin so I don't know the effects of that (Probably don't want to know either) but it sure works good if your in a pinch.
Ticks are pretty common around here in Delaware. I pulled a nymph off last night. Chiggers/redbugs are really bad. I always use some permethrin product-Sawyers, Tractor Supply, etc. Wikipedia says "it has a low mammalian toxicity and is poorly absorbed by skin". I spray the outside of my clothes with a permethrin product, let it dry, and venture forth. After 20 years, I don't see that I have any ill effects-my wife, on the other hand, will happily tell anyone about my "problems"!!!!
I use SULFUR powder.It works good.
TXCP
The manufacturer of Dur-Vet Permethrin 10 said that many agricultural products are oil based to aid sticking. Use on clothing would result in stained clothing and long drying time and wasn't recommended. Also some agricultural product also containd Piperonyl Butoxide (PBO) which is toxic.
Duration TM Pemethrin 10% Concnetrate from Amazon claims to be the only EPA registered permthrin 10% concentrate approved for use on clothing. It is intended for use as a soak, but I deluted it to .5% and use it as a spray like Sawyers.
Mixed 20 to 1 it will make 168oz. of .5% spray or equal to 7 of the 24oz. bottles of Sawyers. Thats $30 vs $90.
One soak is suppose to last through 6 washings...I don't know how long it will last sprayed. I used my sprayed set of camo's for over two months without a tick or chigger and sprayed again.
QuoteOriginally posted by charlie phillips:
I use SULFUR powder.It works good.
TXCP
I have a post way back in this thread about sulfur which I take by mouth in the form of msm, 1 cap a day. This summer I have discovered another benefit to taking it. All through my life I have been a mosquito magnet, the little buggers absolutely love sucking my blood... no more. This yr I have made a half a dozen trips to Utah to do a little fishing and I have yet to get bit. They definitely buzz my head and generally be a pest, saw and heard em, but not once in all these trips have I got bit. I like it!
sawyers.. can get it from cabelas.
BAD stuff for humans! Dont spray it in enclosed areas! Spray it a day brfore out doors and let it dry. Not worth getting sick!