I'm starting to get the itch for another custom bow, after a few years of semi-cooling off with trad bows. Had a bunch of bows, including Widow recurve, Acadian Woods, and a Morrison Cheyenne-type clone. I really liked that last one, but the weight was a bit too much. I'm not very much up to speed with all the options on the Morrison site, and there's not many pictures or verbage.
Some things I know I want, some things I'm not sure. But to help me get somewhat dialed in before I start calling Bob, I'd love to get some thoughts here.
The recurring theme here is something vanilla, common, middle of the road, somewhat plain. I like my bows to be sellable later and not a specialty item. They certainly are hunted, and will be more now that I have access to a nice private place with good deer numbers. So with that said:
60" lenght is my preference, and is working well now.
No pinecone grip, prefer smooth deep throat. I'm not up to speed with high,med,low grip, does high simply mean its closer to the shelf? Is medium somewhat normal for most folks?
Riser: my preference are middle to heavier weight risers, but not too much. ex: Widow is too much mass, but a Cheyenne is almost perfect. Prefer darker woods like this ebony/bocote model: http://www.morrisonarchery.com/cheyenneebony.jpg
I'm very unsure of riser heights.. What are ILF metal risers? Does that apply here? 13/15/17"?
Limbs: Recurve limbs first, maybe other options later? Are longbow type limbs available?
I see talk about A,B,C what the heck is that?
Weight will be about 45#, my shoulders are done with higher #. I'll almost certainly continue using tapered cedar arrows that I make up. My draw length is about 29".
Butter smooth is what I'm looking for, aren't we all? ha. So I think anyone can see what rises to the top... an easy shooting all around bow.
Sorry for the rookie questions, but on a high dollar bow like this, I need to get better educated. Thanks for all responses ahead of time. If you like to brag on your Cheyenne pics, send them to mnormand at petrolog dot com, I'd really love to see them so I can relate to above.
I've been on this site almost since inception, and it sure is great to be able to reach such a large group of experts.
Regards to all,
Mark
High grip means the grip is deep and your wrist is higher.
Bob has three models.
Shawnee straight riser
Cheyenne Deflexed riser
ILF is his adjustable limb model. You can change poundage and tiller by adjusting the limbs. Poundage changes in a 5 lb range.
His limbs and risers are categorized in different length by A,B,C,D For this explanation go to www.morrisonarchery.com (http://www.morrisonarchery.com) click on Other Info then Riser Chart.
All models accept either recurve or long bow limbs. With the ILF riser accepting most anyones ILF limbs I believe.
If you go to morrison home page and click on the" draw length" option in the middle of the page that will explain alot of your a,b,c question. A,b,c, denotes the riser length and also limb length, so you mentioned you liked 60" bows so a a riser with d limbs give you 60" b riser c limbs also 60" the low med and high grip denotes the angle of the grip you said you like a smooth deep grip so a high may be what your looking for. And yes you can get both recurve and longbow limbs for a cheyenne. If you go to stock bow section of his page that will show you some more images of limbs and riser options hope this helps
Don't want to hijack the thread Mark, but I have a lot of the same questions.
One more question, generally, would a shorter riser and longer limbs equal more performance (and smoother draw)out of the bow?
Not to argue with KentuckyTJ, but I think the Cheyenne has the deflexed riser (limb attach point behind the grip or closer to the string). The Shawnee limb butts are reflexed, or set more forward. It does produce a straighter riser geometry. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. I've got one of each and love them both, but I think most folks would agree that the Cheyenne may be the smoother of the two, although that is a subjective thing. The Shawnee is probably a few fps faster. Mine are both 60", A risers (although the riser lengths differ), D limbs and 46# @ 28". You can select a 60 bow with other riser limb combinations (i.e. longer riser, shorter limbs) I won't debate the realtive merits of each. That's a personal thing based on your preferences. Refer to Bob's charts. As has been pointed out, grip refers to wrist position. All else being equal, if you want "mass on a budget" you may want to consider one of the Dymondwood options.
One other thing to take into consideration is the site window. I like a shorter site window, so the "A" riser works best for me. If you like a larger site window then you should consider a B or C riser.
Bobs bows are smooth as butter no matter long limb or short IMHO
If you go to morrison home page and click on the" draw length" option in the middle of the page that will explain alot of your a,b,c question. A,b,c, denotes the riser length and also limb length, so you mentioned you liked 60" bows so a a riser with d limbs give you 60" b riser c limbs also 60" the low med and high grip denotes the angle of the grip you said you like a smooth deep grip so a high may be what your looking for. And yes you can get both recurve and longbow limbs for a cheyenne. If you go to stock bow section of his page that will show you some more images of limbs and riser options hope this helps
You might like a Cocobola rizer to add mass. Add a little Ebony flair for contrast and it looks sharp. I prefer the Medium grip, but that is an individual preference.
I also like the Carbon/Foam limbs. Smooth and very quick.
I have a bubinga B cheyenne riser and stumbled (literally) onto a set of his foam core/carbon longbow limbs for the Cheyene recurve riser.
The B riser gives me the mass I need to shoot consistently...it gives me a decent sight window in all conditions, and even w/ D style limbs, I'm only at a 62" bow overall which at my 6'2" height is quite manageable and very smooth.
I started with C limbs at 60" bow which I prefer but have had few problems with the D (62") limbs.
Bubinga isn't high cost and gives decent mass weight.
Thing is when you GET to talk to Bob...you'll get all his years of experience in a 10 min call and it will be solid honest input!
QuoteOriginally posted by olddogrib:
Not to argue with KentuckyTJ, but I think the Cheyenne has the deflexed riser (limb attach point behind the grip or closer to the string).
Richard is correct, I changed it.
Another thing. I have had bamboo, Maple and foam core limbs in the same poundage for my Cheyenne. Do yourself a favor and spend the extra $35 for the foam core limbs. You won't be sorry.
TJ
You need to spend some time with Bob and shoot some of the bows. Words can accomplish only so much.
I have foam core on my Cheyenne; but do not rule out wood core on a future bow. Have a look at A&H CX while you are evaluating too.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bjorn:
You need to spend some time with Bob and shoot some of the bows. Words can accomplish only so much.
Bjorn I'd love to, but way too far.
Keep it coming, this is great stuff, I'm soaking it up. :bigsmyl:
Hi Mark glad it was only semi-cooling off and you are back.I hope you are still playing music and sounds like a great place to hunt.Cannot help you with your bow selection have never owned a Morrison.Take care Kip
I have a Shawnee, "A" riser and "C" limbs, which makes a 58" bow. I have the carbon foam limbs, and they are smooth. Also, easy to make quiet. I had to visit Bob to have him explain the differences in the A, B, C, D, etc. It worked for me, and two weeks later I ordered my bow from his available stock. Good luck.
Thanks to all who responded. Bob and I hooked up again this evening and got the specs down.
And especially Killdeer who sent me good quality pics of her beautiful Cheyenne riser in macassar with flair and accents. I melted and basically told Bob to copy that one! And we agreed on black foam core carbon limbs. So much for my "vanilla" theme, LOL !
That bow you ordered sounds great, Mark. I enjoyed our talk about the bows. You are really going to enjoy your new Morrison, and I know what Kathy's bow looks like. It's a beauty!!
Allan
You are gonna like that bow!
Killdeer :bigsmyl:
I'm reporting back...received the new Cheyenne today! :D
62", B Macasser riser, and 44# D carbon foam limbs.
Shot it about 30 times, using my usual 55# spined 30" tapered cedars, and no issues right out the box. Easy on the arms, and smooth as silk. I'm ready to hunt!
I was all ready to install the bow hush package, but with these current rubber silencers that came with the string, there's no need.
This was a great decision, very happy so far. I'll probably add some camo tape or limbskinz for now to protect & camo during hunting season, and wait till the spring for a snakeskin job. Or maybe just buy another set of limbs! haha here we go!
Quivers: ok you Morrison Cheyenne guys/gals, whats your pref? I almost always remove my quiver once in the tree. Needs to go on/off easy in the dark, no extra fumbling. I've used the strap on Great Northern before on my longbows, but usually just preferred the Quickees on previous recurves. Couldn't make myself add inserts on this riser, so what should I be looking at?
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Go with a GN Quick disconnect model. Get the riser checkered from Schafer Silvertip. Ad some skins. And then sell it to me:)
Beautiful bow. Looks like my ILF.
Very nice I am a Morrison shooter also. Only one thing I can see that is realy lousy looking on your bow the shelf is on the wrong side!! :laughing: :laughing:
Mark, I got Cheyenne riser that would pass as a twin! its exactly the same combination, except I have full pine cones. You thought about those? They are great shooters so smooth and fast. Love those foam cores. I havent shot mine with an attached quiver just use a shoulder one.
WOW Mark, that thing is beautiful!!!!!!
Just last week I was saying to myself, that Morrison must be coming in soon.
Are you coming to Bayouland Wednesday night????
BTW, if you will not leave the quiver on the bow, I think you should just go with a shoulder or hip quiver.
Thx guys, dangit, now I gotta get a new 3D deer target, mine just now totally fell apart after years of use and repeated repairs.
@Preston: I had a used Shawnee for a short while, great bow, but didn't like that 1/2 pinecone at all, LOL.
@AW: I'll try to make it, now I'll -have- to get some carbons for the TechoHunt. ha Ya'll are gonna really like this bow, start saving your money! Again!
I'm a bow quiver kinda guy, like those arrows at quick ready for walks with the Windwalker stand on back.
I sold some stuff and happily the bow kitty's back up to snuff Mark, and I'm actually on the hunt for a short 2-piece hybrid. Been looking hard at a Whip. About 57#s @ 28". I just don't have the patience to wait like you did.
I still can't get over how nice that bow looks! Dang man you picked some good wood!
One thing I was advised that made good sense...
Don't tune your bow to arrows till you've hung all the stuff on it you'll want... silencers, bow quiver, tip protector...every little bit can change flight with a "less than perfect" release and we all get them at the worst time in the presence of nice racked game! :eek:
I had a limb bolt quiver that was easy on-off. Just don't personally like a bow quiver. Messes with the balance in my hand and feels bad! :(
I hang my small back quiver on my climbing ladders on my stand to go in, still reach it and a solo stalker on my bow...then the quiver goes on a peg in the tree after stand is set.
Different strokes... but do add before you tune.
Nice looking bow Mark. Another beauty by Bob.
You have great taste,enjoy your bow. :thumbsup:
I recently acquired a Cheyenne, Macassar A riser with flares, C limbs in bamboo to make a 58" bow, 45#@28". Love it. I have been fiddling with quivers and what seems to work well is the GM quick detach (I will use this one in a treestand so I can remove it while I'm hunting) and the EFA 4-arrow model for stalking, which is a bit lighter. Either is a good choice I think.
I like the Great Northerns, as Keith said they sell a quick detach.
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Now that is a nice looking setup TJ!
Thanks Keith, it shoots even better. Amazing bows.
My Morrison ILF is my favorite right now.
Well, instead of trying to sell/buy another quiver, I just mod'd my GM strap on longbow quiver. Cut the metal rod, added a piece from Lowes, shrink wrapped it on both ends, fits perfect and very steady. Came out better than I thought. Shoots fine with it on, but I usually take it off in the stand anyway.
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Mark just an FYI. You can bend the arrow gripper wire around to fit the opposite way next time. Must be careful though, I have broken them doing it.
Thx K, but not sure what u mean? If by your bend you mean extend the length of the entire quiver, that would not nearly be enough in my case. I had to extend it about 5-6 inches at least. But you're right, that orig wire is extremely stiff and was very hard to cut with wire cutters.
I cut the orig wire in the middle right between the top and bottom quiver parts. Then took a much longer wire rod section, stuck it deep into the top quiver parallel to the orig rod, and shrink wrapped that twice.
Then on the bottom, along with the shrink splice, I left the added wire much longer and curled it through the gripper. Came out kinda funky, but it sure is stiff with no chance of sliding out the splice/shrink section.